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A Mad Chinaman
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| nolookpass wrote: | The past couple of games were clearly lost on purpose imho, while showing great development by the younger players and the Team as a whole. I would therefore give them at lease an  instead of  (. I firmly believe this team could have Challenged for a Playoff spot had they gone full throttle without constantly changing lineups and deliberately taking out the veterans in end of game situations. |
What lineup would you want BScott to stay with the entire season and why |
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A Mad Chinaman
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| Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| bws94 wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | They needed somebody to rally the troops to make everyone accountable
~ Big Game James
Seemingly/Logically that should come from vets who have experienced success - Boozer and JLin???
What has happen to RKelly's game?!?!
Clarkson is developing nicely
JLIn is still inconsistent
Davis and Black were beasts - at least in the first half
Lakers are uncovering good bench players with some potential starters.
How would Swaggy P help this team when he doesn't play defense and he rarely passes? |
I don't think Lin is all that "inconsistent". He would have played a lot better had Scott not issued that less P&R comment. He was playing fantastic basketball post ASB up to that comment. He played well yesterday, everybody has games where their shots don't fall and Lin isn't a volume shooter but he had 5 assist in 23 minutes. I wish Scott would just play Lin 28 minutes minimum, 23 minutes isn't enough.
Kelly is playing out of position, this experiment at the 3 should end now. It isn't working. |
It has been noted in this forum that BScott was repeating exactly what Phil Jackson clearly stated.
As stated as naseum by Coach Dave Miller, BScott does not call most of the plays, so if he sees an opening - he can take it. He has made careless TOs during crunch time.
JLin has played better but still inconsistent, noticeably in fourth quarters. JLin has talent. He has put up good stats but everybody was hoping that he would firmly take the reins at crunch time and produce within a system that CP3 and JKidd thrived in.
As Big Game James stated, the team needs somebody (translation: veteran) to rally the troops and make them accountable. Boozer can't do that because he doesn't play D and a forward. JLin the "captain" on the court because he is the PG. He shares the faults, though leaders would be adamant in telling players what needs to be change and where they should be
An ESPN article shared that JLin has the most success when he is the best player on the court and needs to produce (ala Linsanity). His times with Melo, Harden/Howard and Kobe has demonstrated his troubles playing with superstars. The current active roster has nobody that is a better player than JLin and he has played better |
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Phillycheese
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| fiendishoc wrote: | At one point in the 4th, Stu was talking about how the Lakers were leading in all the "important stats", but still losing and that the "only stats that matter" are the team scores, as if it were some sort of indictment on analytics.
Well Stu, that's because you were looking at a traditional box score and could only see fg%, rebounds and assists. (And ignored the turnover disparity). What you didn't see was that the Lakers were getting beaten down in eFG%, because the Mavs hit seven more 3's. |
and to no ones surprise they lost by 7. Too many games where Lakers ended trading 2's vs other team's 3's. Not to mention shooting jumpers doesn't get you to the line either. |
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A Mad Chinaman
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| Phillycheese wrote: | | fiendishoc wrote: | At one point in the 4th, Stu was talking about how the Lakers were leading in all the "important stats", but still losing and that the "only stats that matter" are the team scores, as if it were some sort of indictment on analytics.
Well Stu, that's because you were looking at a traditional box score and could only see fg%, rebounds and assists. (And ignored the turnover disparity). What you didn't see was that the Lakers were getting beaten down in eFG%, because the Mavs hit seven more 3's. |
and to no ones surprise they lost by 7. Too many games where Lakers ended trading 2's vs other team's 3's. Not to mention shooting jumpers doesn't get you to the line either. |
Ball movement stopped and they changed on how they played that resulting in not getting the shots they want with the shooters they wanted.
They are missing that veteran leadership to lead and make them accountable on the floor. With no legitimate offensive threats in the paint and no dependable shooters, their efforts were not enough |
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meows a lot
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| Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:27 am Post subject: |
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| A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | bws94 wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | They needed somebody to rally the troops to make everyone accountable
~ Big Game James
Seemingly/Logically that should come from vets who have experienced success - Boozer and JLin???
What has happen to RKelly's game?!?!
Clarkson is developing nicely
JLIn is still inconsistent
Davis and Black were beasts - at least in the first half
Lakers are uncovering good bench players with some potential starters.
How would Swaggy P help this team when he doesn't play defense and he rarely passes? |
I don't think Lin is all that "inconsistent". He would have played a lot better had Scott not issued that less P&R comment. He was playing fantastic basketball post ASB up to that comment. He played well yesterday, everybody has games where their shots don't fall and Lin isn't a volume shooter but he had 5 assist in 23 minutes. I wish Scott would just play Lin 28 minutes minimum, 23 minutes isn't enough.
Kelly is playing out of position, this experiment at the 3 should end now. It isn't working. |
It has been noted in this forum that BScott was repeating exactly what Phil Jackson clearly stated.
As stated as naseum by Coach Dave Miller, BScott does not call most of the plays, so if he sees an opening - he can take it. He has made careless TOs during crunch time.
JLin has played better but still inconsistent, noticeably in fourth quarters. JLin has talent. He has put up good stats but everybody was hoping that he would firmly take the reins at crunch time and produce within a system that CP3 and JKidd thrived in.
As Big Game James stated, the team needs somebody (translation: veteran) to rally the troops and make them accountable. Boozer can't do that because he doesn't play D and a forward. JLin the "captain" on the court because he is the PG. He shares the faults, though leaders would be adamant in telling players what needs to be change and where they should be
An ESPN article shared that JLin has the most success when he is the best player on the court and needs to produce (ala Linsanity). His times with Melo, Harden/Howard and Kobe has demonstrated his troubles playing with superstars. The current active roster has nobody that is a better player than JLin and he has played better |
Lin should be a vet but unfortunately doesn't have enough experience yet to be that guy or 'mindset' has grown to be that guy. he played ok in lsat two games, just shot wasn't falling, but everythign else he did okay. if his shot doesnt come back soon then he will be def be labelled as in consistent. has the offense changed in the past 2 matches?
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Richmond
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| A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | Phillycheese wrote: | | fiendishoc wrote: | At one point in the 4th, Stu was talking about how the Lakers were leading in all the "important stats", but still losing and that the "only stats that matter" are the team scores, as if it were some sort of indictment on analytics.
Well Stu, that's because you were looking at a traditional box score and could only see fg%, rebounds and assists. (And ignored the turnover disparity). What you didn't see was that the Lakers were getting beaten down in eFG%, because the Mavs hit seven more 3's. |
and to no ones surprise they lost by 7. Too many games where Lakers ended trading 2's vs other team's 3's. Not to mention shooting jumpers doesn't get you to the line either. |
Ball movement stopped and they changed on how they played that resulting in not getting the shots they want with the shooters they wanted.
They are missing that veteran leadership to lead and make them accountable on the floor. With no legitimate offensive threats in the paint and no dependable shooters, their efforts were not enough |
Jordan Hill is starting to concern me. The ball is stopping at the top of the key and it's killing the offensive flow. The Lakers should watch Spurs highlights after every loss. |
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fiendishoc
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| Richmond wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | Phillycheese wrote: | | fiendishoc wrote: | At one point in the 4th, Stu was talking about how the Lakers were leading in all the "important stats", but still losing and that the "only stats that matter" are the team scores, as if it were some sort of indictment on analytics.
Well Stu, that's because you were looking at a traditional box score and could only see fg%, rebounds and assists. (And ignored the turnover disparity). What you didn't see was that the Lakers were getting beaten down in eFG%, because the Mavs hit seven more 3's. |
and to no ones surprise they lost by 7. Too many games where Lakers ended trading 2's vs other team's 3's. Not to mention shooting jumpers doesn't get you to the line either. |
Ball movement stopped and they changed on how they played that resulting in not getting the shots they want with the shooters they wanted.
They are missing that veteran leadership to lead and make them accountable on the floor. With no legitimate offensive threats in the paint and no dependable shooters, their efforts were not enough |
Jordan Hill is starting to concern me. The ball is stopping at the top of the key and it's killing the offensive flow. The Lakers should watch Spurs highlights after every loss. |
Hill hasn't been held accountable at either end of the floor for the entire season. Don't have too much hope that it will start now. |
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bws94
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| Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:24 am Post subject: |
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| meows a lot wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | bws94 wrote: | | A Mad Chinaman wrote: | They needed somebody to rally the troops to make everyone accountable
~ Big Game James
Seemingly/Logically that should come from vets who have experienced success - Boozer and JLin???
What has happen to RKelly's game?!?!
Clarkson is developing nicely
JLIn is still inconsistent
Davis and Black were beasts - at least in the first half
Lakers are uncovering good bench players with some potential starters.
How would Swaggy P help this team when he doesn't play defense and he rarely passes? |
I don't think Lin is all that "inconsistent". He would have played a lot better had Scott not issued that less P&R comment. He was playing fantastic basketball post ASB up to that comment. He played well yesterday, everybody has games where their shots don't fall and Lin isn't a volume shooter but he had 5 assist in 23 minutes. I wish Scott would just play Lin 28 minutes minimum, 23 minutes isn't enough.
Kelly is playing out of position, this experiment at the 3 should end now. It isn't working. |
It has been noted in this forum that BScott was repeating exactly what Phil Jackson clearly stated.
As stated as naseum by Coach Dave Miller, BScott does not call most of the plays, so if he sees an opening - he can take it. He has made careless TOs during crunch time.
JLin has played better but still inconsistent, noticeably in fourth quarters. JLin has talent. He has put up good stats but everybody was hoping that he would firmly take the reins at crunch time and produce within a system that CP3 and JKidd thrived in.
As Big Game James stated, the team needs somebody (translation: veteran) to rally the troops and make them accountable. Boozer can't do that because he doesn't play D and a forward. JLin the "captain" on the court because he is the PG. He shares the faults, though leaders would be adamant in telling players what needs to be change and where they should be
An ESPN article shared that JLin has the most success when he is the best player on the court and needs to produce (ala Linsanity). His times with Melo, Harden/Howard and Kobe has demonstrated his troubles playing with superstars. The current active roster has nobody that is a better player than JLin and he has played better |
Lin should be a vet but unfortunately doesn't have enough experience yet to be that guy or 'mindset' has grown to be that guy. he played ok in lsat two games, just shot wasn't falling, but everythign else he did okay. if his shot doesnt come back soon then he will be def be labelled as in consistent. has the offense changed in the past 2 matches? |
Less P&Rs, more one on ones yes. Lin didn't play 28-30 minutes the last game, he played 24 and wasn't in the game the last 4 minutes. I think Lin shows plenty of leadership on the floor and when he shows "too much", Byron pulls him in some. It's happen quite a few times during the season.
It's not true that he can't play with superstars. Does he do less? Of course, the superstar becomes the focal point of the offense but Lin has played well with Harden and Melo though he never really found it with Kobe, and his stats become better with them out because he does more. But he doesn't have to be the best player on the floor to be effective, that's not true.
And when Kobe the closer, vet was in there before his injury it was the same results which are close losses and not executing to close games. It's not on one player, it's a team dynamic at closing games and it is a team dynamic, possibly with some key veteran players playing well together that can turn some of the Ls to Ws. But who is rooting for Ws now? A lot of Laker fan base here want what is happening now. Clarkson develops, the games are competitive and there are close Ls. That's what is happening. |
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WuKong
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| fiendishoc wrote: | | trunkz08 wrote: | | BS says they don't have any closers, yet he benches ED, Lin, and Boozer. Guys who can help them win. Makes absolutely no sense. |
Clarkson gets a valuable learning experience against a good team in crunch-time. Taking a loss is an added benefit. |
Seriously how is it good for a Rookie to be in constantly changing lineups designed for failure. What is he learning? I can see how this 'tanking' could teach players selfishness and how to get their own stats but how in the world does this teach team ball or instill a winning culture or Lakers Championship Mentality. |
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fiendishoc
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| WuKong wrote: | | fiendishoc wrote: | | trunkz08 wrote: | | BS says they don't have any closers, yet he benches ED, Lin, and Boozer. Guys who can help them win. Makes absolutely no sense. |
Clarkson gets a valuable learning experience against a good team in crunch-time. Taking a loss is an added benefit. |
Seriously how is it good for a Rookie to be in constantly changing lineups designed for failure. What is he learning? I can see how this 'tanking' could teach players selfishness and how to get their own stats but how in the world does this teach team ball or instill a winning culture or Lakers Championship Mentality. |
Think of it as setting a stretch goal. |
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