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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 10:14 pm    Post subject: PISTONS -at- LAKERS - 3-10-15 - Thoughts and :-)) Ratings

Feast on the East Week… I’m not going to say the Lakers put the clamps down the Pistons in the third quarter (Scott will), but they did hold them to just 11 points – a season low scoring for any Laker opponent.

“Third quarter our defense was probably the best it’s been all season long,” Scott said. Rare praise from him for that end of the court.

Good effort by the Lakers for sure, but the Pistons just looked bad. Even after finally getting their first score of the third quarter 6 minutes in, the Pistons were still down just 5. The Lakers kept the door open all the way into the final minute.

That’s when the Pistons missed two FTs and Jordan Hill knocked down a jumper. The lead when from potentially just 1 to 5…and the Lakers managed to hold on, 93-85.

Next up, New York.


Clarkson -- -- New career high in assists from Clarkson, doing it in three quarters of action. He picked up four fouls late in the third quarter and didn’t see light of day for the rest of the game. I’m not sure why, unless Scott really wanted this one against a former rival. We went more to the vets to close. They really didn’t do anything special, it was just Detroit did nothing. Some very nice passes in this game from Clarkson and just one turnover. “I was just doing my best to get my teammates involved,” Clarkson said. He couldn’t hit from three, but the ball movement has been steadily improving. Actually a very good passing game from the Lakers in general. Defensively, he got some props from teammates afterward. “It really started with JC,” Ellington said of Clarkson’s D in that 11-point third quarter. “I know he’s a hard worker and he was ready for his opportunity when it came,” Jabari Brown said. The Stats: He scored 10 points on 4-12 shooting (0-4 from three. 2-2 from the line) to go with 4 boards, 8 assists, 1 steal, 1 turnover and 4 fouls in 28 minutes. He was a +6. The Action: He attacked to his right an scooped in a bank layup over the help D. He attacked in transition and drew FTs, he made both. He missed a floater but got it back and it led to a Hill jumphook. He missed a corner three on a sloppy kickout from Lin. He zipped a pass off the dribble to Boozer for a layup on the break. He drew a clear-out foul on his man to get a stop. He missed a tough three trying to beat the shotclock. He blew past his man and hit the short one-hander over him. He blew past his man and was stripped by the help D. He fired a bullet to Black for the dunk. He missed a step-back wing jumper taking a little too much time on the two-for-one. He didn’t get a shot off taking it too far on the dribble before the halftime buzzer went off. He had 6 points on 2-6 shooting and 7 assists. Second Half: He missed a long three on a kickout. He attacked, put on the brakes and fired a pass to Black under the hoop for the layup. He swiped a ball and pushed on the break to Wes who drew FTs. He pushed it out, stepped on the gas to get around a defender and scored the layup. He missed a wide open wing three, way short. He attacked and was blocked. He attacked off a screen and hung to score a layup over a big. Nice challenge on his man to force a miss on a drive. He missed a short running jumper going to his left across the lane.

Hill -- -- Jordan sank the dagger jumper in the final minute, hitting from his beach on top of the key with 5 seconds on the shotclock. The Piston’s had just missed two FTs and Hill sank the J to push the lead to 5. He led the Lakers with 16 points (seven Lakers scored in double digits). Not a good night on the glass, just 3 boards, just about everyone but Kelly outrebounded him. The Stats: He scored 16 points on 7-15 shooting (2-2 from the line) to go with 3 boards, 2 assists, 1 block, 1 turnover and no fouls in 30 minutes. He was a +7. The Action: He passed on a short one to brick a fallaway another 6 feet further away. He missed a 22-footer. Soft touch on a baseline jumphook and he got it to bounce in. He sank an elbow jumper. He hit a jumphook cutting across the lane to take the pass. He sank a step-back baseline jumper on iso. He missed a long jumper, got to the post, got the ball and hit the sweeping hook. He had 10 points and 2 boards at the half. Second Half: He iso’d and missed a slow developing jumphook to start the half. He missed a long wing jumper just beating the shotclock. He missed a wing jumper. He was stripped from behind for a breakaway score. He sank another step-back baseline jumper. He rejected a man under the hoop. He missed a jumphook. He sank a jumper from the top of the key with 50 seconds left. He was intentionally fouled for FTs.

Black -- More active game from Tarik, and he led the team with 4 offensive boards. Scoring wise, he got some nice passes from teammates for scores and also had a strong drive from the elbow for a hoop. Defensively, he was protecting the middle of the key in the post almost to a fault at times, giving up a couple of easy baseline scores. He had his hands full, for sure. It’s hard to remember that he’s a rookie with how steady he plays on that end of the floor. The Stats: He scored 10 points on 5-9 shooting to go with 8 boards (4 offensive) to go with 1 foul in 22 minutes. He was a +8. The Action: He kept a board alive and it led to a Wes three. He attacked from the elbow, spun and scored with his left. He gave up an easy score to Monroe who drop stepped. Again, he gave up baseline on the other side of the block to Monroe and this time FTs. He dunked off the bullet feed from Clarkson. Ellington hit him for the reverse jam. He kept a Hill miss alive and Hill scored shortly later. He had 6 points on 3-5 shooting and 6 boards. Second Half: He scored a layup off the feed from Clarkson. He was blocked while forcing an off-balance shot in the post. He muscled his way to a putback off a Hill missed jumper. He flashed to the FT line, attacked to his left and missed the layup.

Ellington -- -- Ridiculous that we play him this many minutes. He had 40 tonight. Thankfully, the Lakers signed Jabari Brown to a 10-day contract. Now we need to play him. I would have liked to see Clarkson get some late game run, regardless tonight. We know what Wayne can do. He hit his jumper tonight, had some nice attacks and setups for teammates. Probably a couple of his better passes of the year (not as good as that behind-the-back one after split a double team), but a nice backended no-looker around a defender for one and other drive and dump off to big on another. The Stats: He scored 11 points on 5-12 shooting (1-4 from three) to go with 5 boards, 3 assists, 2 steals, 3 turnovers and 1 foul in 40 minutes. He was a +10. The Action: He sank an elbow jumper to start the Lakers scoring. He missed a top-of-the-key jumper. He missed a step-back three. He drew a charge on Meeks on the perimeter (looked like he hit his head on the floor). He missed a floater on the other end. He sank a wing three working off the screen. He sank a 17-footer, spinning and firing. Sweet no-look backhanded pass around a defender to Black for the reverse jam. Second Half: He airballed a pull-up at the FT line. He missed a wing three. He missed a three, Davis got it back and fed him cutting for the layup. He attacked baseline, drew the D and hit Davis for the dunk. He was tied up on the sideline out of a timeout and lost the jumpball. He put his head down, attacked around the defenders and scored a layup. He pushed out a steal and was rejected badly in the final minute (should have probably ran clock).

Johnson -- -- Good job getting to the FT line with consistency tonight. The Lakers made 26-30, trying to finish around the rim and get into the paint. The Lakers had 46 points in the paint. “Everybody was being aggressive when they got it,” Wes said. Most of the players on the court didn’t realize they held the Pistons scoreless the first 6 minutes of the half. The Stats: He scored 13 points on 2-6 shooting (1-3 from three, 8-8 from the line) to go with 3 boards, 1 assist, 2 steals, 2 turnovers and 2 fouls in 33 minutes. He was a +9. The Action: He sank a baseline jumper off the handoff. He sank a wing three on a kickout. He missed an open wing jumper. He drew FTs on the wraparound pass from Davis, he made both. He missed a wing three. He missed an 18-footer. He lost his man on a change of direction and blew the And-1 layup, he made both FTs. Second Half: He drew FTs filling the lane on the break, he made both. He missed a wing three. He gave up an And-1 on a jumper, riding up a Piston’s back. He attacked baseline and drew FTs, he made both with 2:20. His bounce pass was swiped for a breakaway layup. He deflected a pass to ignite a break.

Lin -- -- Lin mentioned the defense in the third quarter as key. “That carried into the fourth where we didn’t lapse and give up a huge run,” Lin said. He got the FT line 12 times tonight, 4 of those were in the final minute, but he was still able to manufacture some points there effectively. I love guys that get to the line. It means their aggressive even if their shots are not falling or whatever. Lin had the 1-4 shooting, but finished with 12 points. It’s vital to get points from the line like that. Scott gave him the close tonight with Ellington. Clarkson had some foul trouble, but I think if he’s going with the vets down the stretch, he really wanted the W. Lin liked the ball movement and unselfishness of the team. They did a very good job in that regard tonight. Good work by Lin on the glass, as well. He took a hard knee to his thigh in this game that will leave a mark. Better not show that to Vitti. The Stats: He scored 12 points on 1-4 shooting (1-1 from three, 9-12 from the line) to go with 7 boards, 5 assists, 1 steal, 2 turnover sand 1 foul in 28 minutes. He had a +/- of 0. The Action: He lost a dribble off his leg for a turnover. Nice defensive board, going up high on a scramble to pull it down. He hit Davis with a pocket pass for FTs as he was about to dunk off that. Second Half: He drew FTs attacking from the wing, he made both. He was kneed hard to the thigh on the break and went down (that will be a big bruise), he made one. He sank a three on a kickout. He was blocked on a short jumper in the lane after fumbling the ball. He pushed out the turnover and fed Davis for the slam. He drew FTs and made one. Sloppy pass on the two-man game, dunk the other way. He attacked and missed a layup. He poked a ball loose and had it fumbled back to him by Wayne on the break for FTs, he made one. He attacked the paint and missed a layup. He drew FTs on an intentional foul and made both. He drew more intentional FTs.

Boozer -- -- One of his rare low-scoring outputs. He did lead the Lakers with 10 boards and Scott left him in for some long run. He wasn’t taking the jumper tonight. When he did, he was way off the mark. Guess he knew he wasn’t feeling it. The Stats: He scored 4 points on 2-6 shooting to go with 10 boards, 1 assist, 2 turnovers and 4 fouls in 27 minutes. He had a +/- of 0. The Action: He lost the ball facing up on iso. He scored a layup on the break off the great feed from Clarkson. He couldn’t finish a putback. He missed a jumphook. He scored a layup on the transition feed from Kelly. Second Half: He choked a layup to rob Clarkson of an assist. He missed a jumphook on iso. Way off on a jumper on the two-man game with Lin.

Davis -- -- Pretty good numbers in just 18 minutes. I’ll be curious to see what kind of contract he’s working himself into. He had some foul issues tonight, but you want him to be aggressive like that from the bench. (One of those fouls was a bad call on a shotblock.) His passing of late has been impressive. He wrapped a nice one around a defender in the interior. The bigs have done a much better job sharing the ball in the past few games. The Stats: He scored 13 points on 6-8 shooting (1-2 from the line) to go with 6 boards, 1 assists, 1 steal and 4 fouls in 18 minutes. He was a +1. The Action: He hit Wes with an interior feed for FTs. He grabbed an offensive board from behind Meeks and scored. He missed a short one in a crowd. He was rejected on a layup rolling down the lane. He slammed off the Kelly drive and dish. He got jobbed on a foul call on a rejection at the rim. He drew FTs on the two-man game with Lin, he made one. Second Half: He hit a jumphook off the interior feed from Boozer. He swiped a bounce pass. He hit a jumphook a little farther out of the post than usual. He pulled down an offensive board in a crowd of Pistons and hit Ellington cutting for the layup. He slammed off the drive and dish from Ellington, returning the favor. He slammed when Lin hit him on the break.

Kelly -- -- In the last three games, he’s 0-12 from the floor. It’s ugly out there. He can’t hit anything (just 2-20 in his last five games). He led the team with a -1. Not enough teammates stepping up to the tank like Kelly. Every starter tonight had double figure scoring. Kelly would not have allowed that to happen on his watch. The Stats: He scored 4 points on 0-3 shooting (0-1 from three, 4-4 from the line) to go with 2 assists, 1 steal and no fouls in 15 minutes. He was a -1. The Action: He missed a runner to start the second quarter. He iso’d and missed a step-through, a lot of dribbling on that one. He attacked and hit Davis for the dunk. He missed a wing three. He hit Boozer in transition for a layup. He was stripped after taking a pass. He posted up Jackson on a switch and drew FTs on the turnaround, he made both. Second Half: He drew FTs on a reach as he rose up, he made both.

Scott -- -- His 1,000th game as a coach… The Lakers led 15-12 when the timeout came midway through the quarter. He brought in Boozer/Lin for Ellington/Black out of that… Davis in for Hill, who was scoring well, as the Lakers extended to a 5-point lead… Kelly in for Johnson in the final minute… The Lakers led 25-20 after the first quarter… He started the Davis, Boozer, Kelly, Ellington, Lin unit… The score was tied shortly later… He sat Boozer for Black, Lakers up 2… He sat Davis for Hill and Clarkson for Lin with 6 minutes left, Lakers up by 2... Kelly out for Wes, starters all back in… They gave up some threes at the end of the half… The Lakers trailed 50-49 at the half… The Lakers took a 5-point lead, holding the Pistons scoreless the first few minutes before the timeout came… Pistons finally scored with 5:44 left and were only down by 5. Ugly… Lin and Boozer in for Black and Ellington, Lakers up 7… Scott called a timeout up 3 with 3:38 left… Clarkson picked up his fourth foul and sat for Ellington with 2 minutes left, Lakers up 3… Davis in for Hill… Some scoring by Lin to close the quarter… The Lakers led 67-61 heading into the fourth… Same unit to start the fourth that started the second quarter… The Lakers pulled out to a 9-point lead, Davis getting some dunks… The Pistons quickly cut it to 4 and Scott called a timeout with 5:53 left. Same unit out of that timeout, and Ellington was tied up on the sideline… Wes in for Kelly, Lakers up 7… Hill in for Davis… Pistons could have cut it to 1 but missed a wild drive… Timeout Lakers up by 3 with 2:20 left… The Pistons missed two FTs with over a minute left that could have cut it to 1. A clutch jumper by Hill on the other end and the Lakers were up by 5… They held on after getting some intentional FTs…
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 10:16 pm    Post subject:

1st, thanks.Lin didn't shoot until the end of 3th, then he started running PnR and attacked rim on the 4th. Maybe it's what BS asked.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 10:22 pm    Post subject:

Thanks DB!

I LOL'ed at "better not show that to Vitti" and woke up my dogs .
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 10:33 pm    Post subject:

THX DB. GO LAKERS
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:54 pm    Post subject:

Idiot team
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 12:28 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 12:31 am    Post subject:

DB - your work is even more impressive during this down season

Sometimes it is better to be lucky than good applied today

What do you call a big that gets three rebounds - a small forward
(Sir Charles)
If he is on the roster next year (recognize that he does have a contract), what position would be the best fit?

It is good to see that JLin is playing with more consistently with purpose. Upon my recollection, it seems that the only time where he was the starting PG for a consistent amount of PT while being successful was at NYC during Linsanity. He didn't get PT at NYC for the entire season, his time at Houston saw limited starting PG PT and with the Lakers - he was placed with the 2nd team early in the season. Has he shown enough to be a starting PG for an elite team? Would he be receptive to being part of the 2nd team if the Lakers get an elite PG and big. As Cleveland has shown - getting (for example) get Monroe and Jackson (ironically, they are now playing with the Pistons) with Kobe . . . . .

Ellington played 40 minutes?!?!?!

Davis and Black were beasts while hoping that both will be back next year

If Kobe is playing SF, Johnson would be a good bench player where consistently is not expected
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 2:03 am    Post subject:

A Mad Chinaman wrote:
DB - your work is even more impressive during this down season

Sometimes it is better to be lucky than good applied today

What do you call a big that gets three rebounds - a small forward
(Sir Charles)
If he is on the roster next year (recognize that he does have a contract), what position would be the best fit?

It is good to see that JLin is playing with more consistently with purpose. Upon my recollection, it seems that the only time where he was the starting PG for a consistent amount of PT while being successful was at NYC during Linsanity. He didn't get PT at NYC for the entire season, his time at Houston saw limited starting PG PT and with the Lakers - he was placed with the 2nd team early in the season. Has he shown enough to be a starting PG for an elite team? Would he be receptive to being part of the 2nd team if the Lakers get an elite PG and big. As Cleveland has shown - getting (for example) get Monroe and Jackson (ironically, they are now playing with the Pistons) with Kobe . . . . .

Ellington played 40 minutes?!?!?!

Davis and Black were beasts while hoping that both will be back next year

If Kobe is playing SF, Johnson would be a good bench player where consistently is not expected
Didn't Lin start at PG for a playoff Houston team two years ago while playing all 82 games? He alsostarted for 30+ games due to injury the next year.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 3:25 am    Post subject:

Thanks, DB.

Nice comment, "Better not show to Vitti."

LOL
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 3:33 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB.

Sadly, no glory in beating a bad Detroit team.

I guess if you wanted to beat anyone, it's better to beat a team
which is not competing to finish bottom of the table.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 4:43 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB.

Yes, Detroit is terrible but last night's game shows that if you close the game with the right personnel and they play team ball, you don't need this "closer" that some were saying was missing. Just execute the game plan, play defense, take advantage of opportunities (like missed FTs), have someone knock down a big shot.

Clarkson is seeing the floor better. He's a combo guard. Had some excellent assists in last night's game. I'm not sure if Kelly will get back in sync this season, his team mates were trying but he's way out of sync.

Reggie Jackson for Detroit had a poor, poor game. Their bigs showed great sportsmanship last night and played well.
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A Mad Chinaman wrote:
DB - your work is even more impressive during this down season

Sometimes it is better to be lucky than good applied today

What do you call a big that gets three rebounds - a small forward
(Sir Charles)
If he is on the roster next year (recognize that he does have a contract), what position would be the best fit?

It is good to see that JLin is playing with more consistently with purpose. Upon my recollection, it seems that the only time where he was the starting PG for a consistent amount of PT while being successful was at NYC during Linsanity. He didn't get PT at NYC for the entire season, his time at Houston saw limited starting PG PT and with the Lakers - he was placed with the 2nd team early in the season. Has he shown enough to be a starting PG for an elite team? Would he be receptive to being part of the 2nd team if the Lakers get an elite PG and big. As Cleveland has shown - getting (for example) get Monroe and Jackson (ironically, they are now playing with the Pistons) with Kobe . . . . .

Ellington played 40 minutes?!?!?!

Davis and Black were beasts while hoping that both will be back next year

If Kobe is playing SF, Johnson would be a good bench player where consistently is not expected


Lin would leave if there are options. I don't think he likes a) playing for Byron b) playing with Kobe and c) being a back up (however I think Lin plays the best from the bench - from this team anyway
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 5:51 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:45 am    Post subject:

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I’m not going to say the Lakers put the clamps down the Pistons in the third quarter (Scott will), but they did hold them to just 11 points – a season low scoring for any Laker opponent.


I agree with what I think you're getting at there. Although there were some things I did think were improved in the defensive scheme (bigs dropping back more frequently, weakside helpers being more aggressive in positioning themselves in the paint and sprinting for closeouts), I give a bit more credit to the Pistons for that 3rd quarter run.

The Pistons were getting open jumpers- just couldn't hit anything. And then they let it affect their execution on offense, as evidenced by that bad shot clock violation that they had.

They run some of the bad things on offense that we tend to do, like PnR with a non-deadeye shooting big in the opposite high post, and the resulting lane congestion caused them to turn it over a couple of times. The Lakers did capitalize with their active hands. It was kind of strange game, where both teams limped across the finish line.

Don't know where Hill all of the sudden got that floater, stepback fadeway, and hook. But it's not helping the tank.

Ellington playing 40 min maybe was his going away present before heading to bench in favor of D-leaguers? Hopefully? I have to say he looked better than Meeks in this one.

It's time to move Kelly back to his natural position, before he loses all confidence as an NBA player...
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I’m not going to say the Lakers put the clamps down the Pistons in the third quarter (Scott will), but they did hold them to just 11 points – a season low scoring for any Laker opponent.


I agree with what I think you're getting at there. Although there were some things I did think were improved in the defensive scheme (bigs dropping back more frequently, weakside helpers being more aggressive in positioning themselves in the paint and sprinting for closeouts), I give a bit more credit to the Pistons for that 3rd quarter run.

The Pistons were getting open jumpers- just couldn't hit anything. And then they let it affect their execution on offense, as evidenced by that bad shot clock violation that they had.

They run some of the bad things on offense that we tend to do, like PnR with a non-deadeye shooting big in the opposite high post, and the resulting lane congestion caused them to turn it over a couple of times. The Lakers did capitalize with their active hands. It was kind of strange game, where both teams limped across the finish line.

Don't know where Hill all of the sudden got that floater, stepback fadeway, and hook. But it's not helping the tank.

Ellington playing 40 min maybe was his going away present before heading to bench in favor of D-leaguers? Hopefully? I have to say he looked better than Meeks in this one.

It's time to move Kelly back to his natural position, before he loses all confidence as an NBA player...


I agree, as good as Drummond and Monroe are, when they run the PnR they both clog the lanes and it seems the guards can't penetrate as well which leads to a lot of long jumpers, luckily for the Lakers they don't have many shooters other than Meeks, who by the way got a bunch of wide open shots.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 3:53 pm    Post subject:

Thanks DB.

A win is a loss and a loss is a win. It's a crazy mixed-up world we're in.

April seems soooo far away...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 4:42 pm    Post subject:

Oh we won? Nice! I'm out of touch I feel like I haven't seen a game in an age. Thanks DB!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 5:05 pm    Post subject:

DB, what about The ?

This thing needs to happen, you know it and I know it. I am afraid the Knicks might forfeit tomorrow's game.
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