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LakerLogic
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| Clarkson has that rare combination of no fear and high bball IQ. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | lakers4life78 wrote: | | Clarkson is legit. He'll be a very good core player for this organization and we lucked into him with a thrown dart type draft choice. |
Ironically, if Mitch and Co. hit the nail with a 46th pick, imagine giving him a top 3 pick, a 26th pick, and a 34th pick this year. |
yup that's why I'm so excited for this draft. Mitch will find at least one more still with our two picks from 25-35. After this draft I'm hoping for 4 LEGIT ballers on our squad, 2 from last year 2 from this year |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| LakerLogic wrote: | | Clarkson has that rare combination of no fear and high bball IQ. |
I beg to differ. No fear? Yes. High IQ? Maybe.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| kobe209 wrote: | | 44TheLogo wrote: | | LandsbergerRules wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | dood23 wrote: | | Do you guys think Clarkson being a superstar makes up for losing the draft pick? |
Not in a mocking way, I just think it's an impressive re-frame of the circumstances. Him being so good makes me want to keep the pick even MORE, especially considering my opinion of Randle. Do you know what a great position we'll be in with Clarkson, Randle, & a Top 5 pick for a COMBINED $10M???? |
Well said, GT. |
It could be the case next year that KB would be making 3 times what our probable 3 best players would be making, combined. |
No way they are even close to the player Kobe will be next season. Kobe will be far and away the best player on the team and it wont even be close (unless we pull a huge name in trade or free agency) |
Remains to be seen what Kobe's minutes will be like...I'm not counting on him having a healthy season. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| orwell wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | Clarkson has that rare combination of no fear and high bball IQ. |
I beg to differ. No fear? Yes. High IQ? Maybe. |
Clarkson may not have the high IQ of a guy like CP3 but I think it's above average. To improve so quickly, there is certainly some IQ/fast learning going on. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| lakers4life78 wrote: | | Clarkson is legit. He'll be a very good core player for this organization and we lucked into him with a thrown dart type draft choice. |
His pick was no way "a thrown dart type draft choice"!!
West and Buss scouted him and were very high on him. They submitted a glowing report on him so strong the front office aggressively went after him!! They approached every team asking to buy their pick and were turned down by each team until #46!! They threw out a crazy 1.8M price tag to sell us their #46 pick (3X the normal price of $500,000 to $600,000) and I'm sure they were shocked when we agreed!! I can imagine how stressed Mitch & Jim were when every team was refusing to sell us a pick....and expecting him to be taken before we found a seller (he went way past his projected range). We wanted him badly....it wasn't by chance at all!! |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | dood23 wrote: | | Do you guys think Clarkson being a superstar makes up for losing the draft pick? |
Not in a mocking way, I just think it's an impressive re-frame of the circumstances. Him being so good makes me want to keep the pick even MORE, especially considering my opinion of Randle. Do you know what a great position we'll be in with Clarkson, Randle, & a Top 5 pick for a COMBINED $10M???? |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | lakers4life78 wrote: | | Clarkson is legit. He'll be a very good core player for this organization and we lucked into him with a thrown dart type draft choice. |
Ironically, if Mitch and Co. hit the nail with a 46th pick, imagine giving him a top 3 pick, a 26th pick, and a 34th pick this year. |
Yup. Though I don't agree with the OP saying we lucked in to him. We specifically targeted him. Clarkson was actual an acquisition via trade, not a draft pick per se.
To me the difference is that when you have a draft pick, you get the best player you want that is still available. In this case, we specifically sought out Clarkson and paid more than he is making for him too. |
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imagine if atlanta would have drafted him....
him and schroder coming off the bench on rookie contracts  |
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| Rivershow wrote: | | orwell wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | Clarkson has that rare combination of no fear and high bball IQ. |
I beg to differ. No fear? Yes. High IQ? Maybe. |
Clarkson may not have the high IQ of a guy like CP3 but I think it's above average. To improve so quickly, there is certainly some IQ/fast learning going on. |
Agreed. He's been soaking up knowledge and it's showing on the floor. He was definitely erratic and more of a gunner and missed a ton of those floaties early on. I think the game has slowed down a lot for him already. |
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| We have ourselves a gem with this kid. Reminds me a lot of Monta Ellis |
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I'm tired of hearing that we can't get too high on clarkson or that we still need to find a starting point guard next year. This guy is playing out of his mind for a rookie. Everyone who disagrees think about this: Would your opinion of him as our future be different if he was drafted 7th? Let's just say he was our number one draft pick last year at 7. Everyone has Randle starting next year and he hasn't even played a full game.
If clarkson was drafted top 10 last year we would all have him as the starter next year and beyond. |
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| textbook wrote: | I'm tired of hearing that we can't get too high on clarkson or that we still need to find a starting point guard next year. This guy is playing out of his mind for a rookie. Everyone who disagrees think about this: Would your opinion of him as our future be different if he was drafted 7th? Let's just say he was our number one draft pick last year at 7. Everyone has Randle starting next year and he hasn't even played a full game.
If clarkson was drafted top 10 last year we would all have him as the starter next year and beyond. |
I agree. I think Clarkson being a second round pick, has some people underrating what he's doing or underselling his potential. |
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| 44TheLogo wrote: | | kobe209 wrote: | | 44TheLogo wrote: | | LandsbergerRules wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | dood23 wrote: | | Do you guys think Clarkson being a superstar makes up for losing the draft pick? |
Not in a mocking way, I just think it's an impressive re-frame of the circumstances. Him being so good makes me want to keep the pick even MORE, especially considering my opinion of Randle. Do you know what a great position we'll be in with Clarkson, Randle, & a Top 5 pick for a COMBINED $10M???? |
Well said, GT. |
It could be the case next year that KB would be making 3 times what our probable 3 best players would be making, combined. |
No way they are even close to the player Kobe will be next season. Kobe will be far and away the best player on the team and it wont even be close (unless we pull a huge name in trade or free agency) |
Remains to be seen what Kobe's minutes will be like...I'm not counting on him having a healthy season. |
Kobe was barely an above average NBA player this year when he was healthy. |
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| Kobe injured his shoulder in the preseason and was playing through it for 35 games. He was never healthy. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:10 am Post subject: |
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Making it all the more impressive what he did
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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | Kobe injured his shoulder in the preseason and was playing through it for 35 games. He was never healthy. |
There's a difference between being injured and being hurt. Kobe will almost certainly hurt something next preseason too, has played almost every season in the last 10 with something hurt, and he's not alone in that respect. It's splitting hairs. He just wasn't very good. |
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GoldenThroat, do you think Kobe was better as a facilitator vs. scorer? He wasn't efficient as a scorer and his D was pretty bad.
Kobe with Clarkson, who knows? Kobe is a creature of I have to do it when the guy I chooses falters and can't live up to my expectations. Will Clarkson live up to his expectations?
Might be moot, Kobe may not have many games left in him. |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | Kobe injured his shoulder in the preseason and was playing through it for 35 games. He was never healthy. |
There's a difference between being injured and being hurt. Kobe will almost certainly hurt something next preseason too, has played almost every season in the last 10 with something hurt, and he's not alone in that respect. It's splitting hairs. He just wasn't very good. |
In the beginning of the season before his shoulder got worse...Kobe was the #1 highest scorer in the NBA. Not very good? |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:36 am Post subject: |
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| kobe_luver wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | Kobe injured his shoulder in the preseason and was playing through it for 35 games. He was never healthy. |
There's a difference between being injured and being hurt. Kobe will almost certainly hurt something next preseason too, has played almost every season in the last 10 with something hurt, and he's not alone in that respect. It's splitting hairs. He just wasn't very good. |
In the beginning of the season before his shoulder got worse...Kobe was the #1 highest scorer in the NBA. Not very good? |
I'm not going to bother with the extremely obvious counter-argument to this. |
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Why are you guys arguing about the Mamba, when this thread is clearly about Clutchson?
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | 44TheLogo wrote: | | kobe209 wrote: | | 44TheLogo wrote: | | LandsbergerRules wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | dood23 wrote: | | Do you guys think Clarkson being a superstar makes up for losing the draft pick? |
Not in a mocking way, I just think it's an impressive re-frame of the circumstances. Him being so good makes me want to keep the pick even MORE, especially considering my opinion of Randle. Do you know what a great position we'll be in with Clarkson, Randle, & a Top 5 pick for a COMBINED $10M???? |
Well said, GT. |
It could be the case next year that KB would be making 3 times what our probable 3 best players would be making, combined. |
No way they are even close to the player Kobe will be next season. Kobe will be far and away the best player on the team and it wont even be close (unless we pull a huge name in trade or free agency) |
Remains to be seen what Kobe's minutes will be like...I'm not counting on him having a healthy season. |
Kobe was barely an above average NBA player this year when he was healthy. |
He wasn't healthy all season. |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | Kobe injured his shoulder in the preseason and was playing through it for 35 games. He was never healthy. |
There's a difference between being injured and being hurt. Kobe will almost certainly hurt something next preseason too, has played almost every season in the last 10 with something hurt, and he's not alone in that respect. It's splitting hairs. He just wasn't very good. |
He wasn't healthy. I'm not sure what you mean to say with your analysis of injured and hurt. You mean hurt is still healthy? Until it gets to injury level? |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 11:17 am Post subject: |
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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | Kobe injured his shoulder in the preseason and was playing through it for 35 games. He was never healthy. |
There's a difference between being injured and being hurt. Kobe will almost certainly hurt something next preseason too, has played almost every season in the last 10 with something hurt, and he's not alone in that respect. It's splitting hairs. He just wasn't very good. |
He wasn't healthy. I'm not sure what you mean to say with your analysis of injured and hurt. You mean hurt is still healthy? Until it gets to injury level? |
In professional sports? Absolutely. |
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