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Megaton
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| datniggbstyle wrote: | Given the state of the franchise, What are the chances the Lakers actually value the ability to sign two Max free agents this year over having one and a top 5 pick?
They seem eerily indifferent about that very scenario. Wonder if they see it as a win win with Randle essentially redshirting year one and Clarkson showing first round value.
Theoretically, once again THEORETICALLY is A Gasol + Love combo (Yeah I Know) better than Tobias Harris, Resigning Ed Davis and Top 5 pick? |
Or they don't resign Ed Davis, sign either Tobais Harris and keep the top 5 pick hopefully, while signing young guys to small contracts and give them a real tryout for the team long term.
That's the way we should go this off season. Love is not the answer at his age, or with his skill set. His talents don't help the team short term and having him here will only hurt the growth of our promising young studs. |
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Sting
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| Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:44 pm Post subject: Re: Bench Clarkson? |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Sting wrote: | It will be devastating to lose that top 5 pick. 4th pick is so risky, it's 50/50 chance we keep that pick. Recent two separate draft classes have had two teams jump to top 5. Lakers needed to secure a top 3 slot to be able to sleep good at night. With the lakers luck they will end up with nothing. From Karl Towns to nothing.... Clarkson can play in the league, he has shown that. There is no point in getting these cheap old wins just ruining a potential 3 man foundation of Towns Randle and Clarkson..  |
No it is a 84%/16% chance. |
teams being kicked out of the 4th spot from 5 have happened 3 out of 5 years |
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Megaton
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| Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:49 pm Post subject: Re: Bench Clarkson? |
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| Sting wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Sting wrote: | | It will be devastating to lose that top 5 pick. 4th pick is so risky, it's 50/50 chance we keep that pick. Recent two separate draft classes have had two teams jump to top 5. Lakers needed to secure a top 3 slot to be able to sleep good at night. With the lakers luck they will end up with nothing. From Karl Towns to nothing.... Clarkson can play in the league, he has shown that. There is no point in getting these cheap old wins just ruining a potential 3 man foundation of Towns Randle and Clarkson.. |
No it is a 84%/16% chance. |
teams being kicked out of the 4th spot from 5 have happened 3 out of 5 years |
That has no bearing on this years draft odds ...unless you think the league is tampering with the lottery.
The facts are, the fourth worst record this year has an 83% chance of getting a top 5 pick (based on # of lotto balls)
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I never understood the Love "love" unless they look at him as a box office draw - but... he's not a box office draw so... I dunno...
I'm not clear on what position Julius Randle will play, a lot of people say he can play SF. If so, that could radically change the type of players we go after - do you want a stretch 4 or a banger 4? And the Center slot, do you want a stand around the perimeter guy like Jordan Hill or do you go after DeAndre Jordan?
or... by some miracle, we draft one of the premier college Centers so we go after Dragic? There's just too many variables until the draft to even guess right now. |
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kobe_luver
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| Sting wrote: | | I like Clarkson, but we have to think about our future. |
He is a big piece of our future! |
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Megaton
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| kobe_luver wrote: | | Sting wrote: | | I like Clarkson, but we have to think about our future. |
He is a big piece of our future! |
I think he means benching him for the rest of these 9 games.
Which is not really an option. I'm fine with him playing still. It's Scott that really needs to control the game the tanking way. |
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Why don't we collectively start cheering for these guys to win? Maybe the pressure will be too much and they'll crumble...lol
But seriously, I'm gonna try to be more optimistic. being pessimistic helps no one. Maybe if we all have good vibes, good things will happen? |
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| Megaton wrote: | | kobe_luver wrote: | | Sting wrote: | | I like Clarkson, but we have to think about our future. |
He is a big piece of our future! |
I think he means benching him for the rest of these 9 games.
Which is not really an option. I'm fine with him playing still. It's Scott that really needs to control the game the tanking way. |
They need to start limiting guys minutes. Nobody on the team should play nearly 40 minutes in a game. I'd rather see them all subbed in and out randomly, to never give any lineup time to become cohesive.
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If we can just finish 4th...I'm ok with that and ok with the chips falling as they may...I never believed we would be bottom 3 even if we tried our best... New York and, Philadelphia are just cringing awful...They were aggressive in their tank efforts and had no shame...Minnesota was always a wildcard as being in the bottom 3....Even with our scrubs, ...Each scrub we have play their a55es off...Can't say that about the bottom 3 teams
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| 24 wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | fansincemagic wrote: | | Watch Orlando knock LA back to the #5 slot and the Lakers then win the top selection. All this stress over a "tank" debate is too much. I never want a season like this again and Okafor would be a building block. |
No kidding.
If the Lakers can get this pick, let alone win a lottery, I don't want this kind of season to happen again for a LONG time.
It's not like we would have a choice either if we manage to keep the pick this year. Next season is top 3 protected.  |
The only good news from losing the pick would be that next year's pick would become guaranteed. |
And jim buss will try to screw that up by signing another round of 1yr rentals who gice sh** about that pick
If u have sucked for 60 games and can keep the pick and rebuild 1yr early why not do that?
If we dont get the pick next yr will be same as this |
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Think Orlando wins. Thats all you have to think now. Forget the rest. If Orlando wins 2-3 games, we have 4th. Take our chances in the lotto with that and call it a year.  |
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| Isn't Robert Upshaw a total head-case ? |
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| Jim99187 wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | fansincemagic wrote: | | Watch Orlando knock LA back to the #5 slot and the Lakers then win the top selection. All this stress over a "tank" debate is too much. I never want a season like this again and Okafor would be a building block. |
No kidding.
If the Lakers can get this pick, let alone win a lottery, I don't want this kind of season to happen again for a LONG time.
It's not like we would have a choice either if we manage to keep the pick this year. Next season is top 3 protected. |
The only good news from losing the pick would be that next year's pick would become guaranteed. |
And jim buss will try to screw that up by signing another round of 1yr rentals who gice sh** about that pick
If u have sucked for 60 games and can keep the pick and rebuild 1yr early why not do that?
If we dont get the pick next yr will be same as this |
Doubtful we see one year rentals. We will more than likely sign FAs for a longer term. And if they play well, we might win 35+ games, giving us a 15-18 pick. Good scenario.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 8:44 am Post subject: Re: Bench Clarkson? |
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| kikanga wrote: | | Sting wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Sting wrote: | | It will be devastating to lose that top 5 pick. 4th pick is so risky, it's 50/50 chance we keep that pick. Recent two separate draft classes have had two teams jump to top 5. Lakers needed to secure a top 3 slot to be able to sleep good at night. With the lakers luck they will end up with nothing. From Karl Towns to nothing.... Clarkson can play in the league, he has shown that. There is no point in getting these cheap old wins just ruining a potential 3 man foundation of Towns Randle and Clarkson.. |
No it is a 84%/16% chance. |
teams being kicked out of the 4th spot from 5 have happened 3 out of 5 years |
That has no bearing on this years draft odds ...unless you think the league is tampering with the lottery.
The facts are, the fourth worst record this year has an 83% chance of getting a top 5 pick (based on # of lotto balls) |
True, it has no bearing at all. Last year the 4th team drafted 5th. I can live with that.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 8:58 am Post subject: Re: Bench Clarkson? |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | Sting wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Sting wrote: | | It will be devastating to lose that top 5 pick. 4th pick is so risky, it's 50/50 chance we keep that pick. Recent two separate draft classes have had two teams jump to top 5. Lakers needed to secure a top 3 slot to be able to sleep good at night. With the lakers luck they will end up with nothing. From Karl Towns to nothing.... Clarkson can play in the league, he has shown that. There is no point in getting these cheap old wins just ruining a potential 3 man foundation of Towns Randle and Clarkson.. |
No it is a 84%/16% chance. |
teams being kicked out of the 4th spot from 5 have happened 3 out of 5 years |
That has no bearing on this years draft odds ...unless you think the league is tampering with the lottery.
The facts are, the fourth worst record this year has an 83% chance of getting a top 5 pick (based on # of lotto balls) |
True, it has no bearing at all. Last year the 4th team drafted 5th. I can live with that. |
offcourse u will live with it. but if the FO was smart they would not play boozer, lin, ed davis entire 4th qtr and win 3 in a row.
that would have gotten you #2 or #3 with a chance to pick #3 or #4
most of the scrubs wont be back anyways. these are meeks/clark's of this summer |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | fansincemagic wrote: | | Watch Orlando knock LA back to the #5 slot and the Lakers then win the top selection. All this stress over a "tank" debate is too much. I never want a season like this again and Okafor would be a building block. |
No kidding.
If the Lakers can get this pick, let alone win a lottery, I don't want this kind of season to happen again for a LONG time.
It's not like we would have a choice either if we manage to keep the pick this year. Next season is top 3 protected. |
The only good news from losing the pick would be that next year's pick would become guaranteed. |
And jim buss will try to screw that up by signing another round of 1yr rentals who gice sh** about that pick
If u have sucked for 60 games and can keep the pick and rebuild 1yr early why not do that?
If we dont get the pick next yr will be same as this |
Doubtful we see one year rentals. We will more than likely sign FAs for a longer term. And if they play well, we might win 35+ games, giving us a 15-18 pick. Good scenario. |
lakers will swing for home run and if they come up empty(which they will) they will punt and have 80mil in cap space then spending money on R Lopez or green or Carroll |
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I doubt the team is punting. This summer of a summers is not the time to do so.
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| Jim99187 wrote: |
lakers will swing for home run and if they come up empty(which they will) they will punt and have 80mil in cap space then spending money on R Lopez or green or Carroll |
Disagree, they are set on working toward the playoffs next season, so they will use their cap space on vets who can help move in that direction. Luca has told us that many times.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: |
lakers will swing for home run and if they come up empty(which they will) they will punt and have 80mil in cap space then spending money on R Lopez or green or Carroll |
Disagree, they are set on working toward the playoffs next season, so they will use their cap space on vets who can help move in that direction. Luca has told us that many times. |
while i respect Luca I want Jim/Mitch or even Ramona to come out and say it. For now they havent said anything even regarding this yr and how pathetic it has been, let alone next yr |
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Hey guys,Some clarity here.
Lets say we locked in at 4th pick after season is over.
Come May for the lottery pick and we get 6th lottery.
Do we loose that lottery pick to Philly or do we keep it.
Thx for the clarification.. |
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| Jim99187 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: |
lakers will swing for home run and if they come up empty(which they will) they will punt and have 80mil in cap space then spending money on R Lopez or green or Carroll |
Disagree, they are set on working toward the playoffs next season, so they will use their cap space on vets who can help move in that direction. Luca has told us that many times. |
while i respect Luca I want Jim/Mitch or even Ramona to come out and say it. For now they havent said anything even regarding this yr and how pathetic it has been, let alone next yr |
They have no reason to come out and say anything. If you can't judge by their actions, then that is on you.
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| mrrnr wrote: | Hey guys,Some clarity here.
Lets say we locked in at 4th pick after season is over.
Come May for the lottery pick and we get 6th lottery.
Do we loose that lottery pick to Philly or do we keep it.
Thx for the clarification.. |
We lose it. Just as if we were to finish 6th but get top 5 after the lottery we would keep the pick.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 9:56 am Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: |
lakers will swing for home run and if they come up empty(which they will) they will punt and have 80mil in cap space then spending money on R Lopez or green or Carroll |
Disagree, they are set on working toward the playoffs next season, so they will use their cap space on vets who can help move in that direction. Luca has told us that many times. |
while i respect Luca I want Jim/Mitch or even Ramona to come out and say it. For now they havent said anything even regarding this yr and how pathetic it has been, let alone next yr |
They have no reason to come out and say anything. If you can't judge by their actions, then that is on you. |
exactly by their actions. they havent done anything yet. so we will know by July 8th what their plan is |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:10 am Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | mrrnr wrote: | Hey guys,Some clarity here.
Lets say we locked in at 4th pick after season is over.
Come May for the lottery pick and we get 6th lottery.
Do we loose that lottery pick to Philly or do we keep it.
Thx for the clarification.. |
We lose it. Just as if we were to finish 6th but get top 5 after the lottery we would keep the pick. |
Thx Man,So its base on the Lottery,Thx for the clarity... |
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