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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:45 pm    Post subject:

I believe he has played enough minutes and games in various situations - with and without Melo, Harden, Kobe, as starter, backup, etc - that teams and scouts have a fair idea of what he can and cannot do.

Hard to keep speculating because each team's situation, needs, system, cap space, are so vastly different from one another that it's nearly impossible to peg someone's value if you are not a top tier max value superstar. Any GM worth his salt would consider what he has seen of the player, plus consider fit to his own team, pros and cons of Lin and his "Tebow like" baggage, his marketing value to Asia, his future potential, etc etc.

Can't just say he's worth 5M a year, or he's like Dragic, or Exum. it's just not that simple.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 7:08 pm    Post subject:

^^ Very well said.

Lin's advisors and agents will help him sort out the best strategy and all we need do is sit back and enjoy the drama. Too much investment in a specific outcome can only cause self-inflicted disappointment for fans.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 8:38 pm    Post subject:

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NBA's point guards ranking from ESPN

Jlin #28

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12563832/nba-espn-nba-forecast-ranks-nba-starting-point-guards-no-1-chris-paul-no-30-dante-exum


Still a bull-crap ranking.. Lin's defense is far better than 1/3 of the players on that list. Calderon at #22 is a big fat joke. And Beverley is not better than Reggie Jackson & Elfrid Payton.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:22 pm    Post subject:

The list shows how PGs really fall off in quality after top 20 or so. It also shows the lag between new developments and perceptions of a player
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Lorenzomax wrote:
maninus wrote:
NBA's point guards ranking from ESPN

Jlin #28

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12563832/nba-espn-nba-forecast-ranks-nba-starting-point-guards-no-1-chris-paul-no-30-dante-exum


Still a bull-crap ranking.. Lin's defense is far better than 1/3 of the players on that list. Calderon at #22 is a big fat joke. And Beverley is not better than Reggie Jackson & Elfrid Payton.


Calderon and Beverley rankings are way off... goes to show how useful that ranking actually is.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 11:49 pm    Post subject:

Man it sucks Lin got *sick*, he would have feasted on the 76ers. Oh well.

edit: oh yeah, those ranking categories are hilarious. "Leadership"? How do you define and rank that as a stat? You could call it "swag" or the "it factor" and be just as subjective.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:12 am    Post subject:

gumblin wrote:
ice_cold wrote:
gumblin wrote:
Lorenzomax wrote:
kikanga wrote:
Jeremy Lin has Goran Dragic level talent. He just doesn't have his consistency.

From a basketball standpoint, it would be best for him to play elsewhere next year. Maybe he should run backup PG in MIA. They wouldn't have to change their system whether the 1st or 2nd unit is in.


After being labeled as a inconsistent player for 3 straight years, D'Antoni revealed the secrets of Lin being inconsistent under multiple inconsistent situations/roles:


"I think Jeremy can fit anywhere as a player," D'Antoni says. "He's that good. But he's not Linsanity if you put him just anywhere. If you close the floor on him" -- that is, if you don't stretch out defenses, if you don't leverage his yearning to attack the rim -- "he's going to look mediocre."

...

He visualizes Grizzlies point guard Mike Conley, who thrives without space, and Bryant, who inspired Lin's "point of emphasis" for this summer: midrange shots. Later, when I relay this plan to D'Antoni, I brace for a spit take. But the jobless coach invokes that PG-as-CEO metaphor. "There's trying to run your own company," D'Antoni says, grinning. "But you've gotta be employed too."


http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12561636/inside-jeremy-lin-life-linsanity-new-york-knicks


This is really it. Lin is a specialist. In the right system, Lin CAN be as good as Dragic. However, he isn't by mere fact that he needs a certain system to thrive. Good players are going to be good to greater or lesser degrees in any system.

It can be argued that any player with significant talent, will do well in the "right" system. But if he's dependant on the right system, that makes him average/above average at best.


Many players are less dependent on system, sure. But the charts in above article about Dragic's improvement since going to Heat underline how even
Elite players can be affected by system and role. See also Rondo.

The other thing about Lin is that when in right system he is really good - like 2.2 PER since All Star Break good. Not every player is going to see that upside from being in a better system for them.


That's fine. Obviously the system is a big factor and as I've been saying, he's a specialist and a fine ball player. I just refuse to make excuses for him anymore. Lin's gotten his chances. System or no system.

As a New York Giants fan I get to hear all the Eli homers make excuse after excuse as to why he isn't as good as Ben R in Pittsburgh. And some point you just gotta say enough is enough. If Lin had Dragic like talent, he'd be doing a lot better than he has been.


Guys, you do realize that this is the second season that Lin has the chance to play a starting PG role, right? he was a D leaguer less than 3 years ago. You do realize that Dragic played for the Suns before as the backup PG. Dragic got a lot of NBA experience and then he had a great year in 2014.

Back to 2012, people would say if Drafic has the same talent as Lin, he would be doing a lot better then.

All I am trying to say is that the expectation on Lin is very high ever since his breaking out month but people tend to forget that he does not actually have a lot of experience as an NBA player.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:09 am    Post subject:

Alloy wrote:
gumblin wrote:
ice_cold wrote:
gumblin wrote:
Lorenzomax wrote:
kikanga wrote:
Jeremy Lin has Goran Dragic level talent. He just doesn't have his consistency.

From a basketball standpoint, it would be best for him to play elsewhere next year. Maybe he should run backup PG in MIA. They wouldn't have to change their system whether the 1st or 2nd unit is in.


After being labeled as a inconsistent player for 3 straight years, D'Antoni revealed the secrets of Lin being inconsistent under multiple inconsistent situations/roles:


"I think Jeremy can fit anywhere as a player," D'Antoni says. "He's that good. But he's not Linsanity if you put him just anywhere. If you close the floor on him" -- that is, if you don't stretch out defenses, if you don't leverage his yearning to attack the rim -- "he's going to look mediocre."

...

He visualizes Grizzlies point guard Mike Conley, who thrives without space, and Bryant, who inspired Lin's "point of emphasis" for this summer: midrange shots. Later, when I relay this plan to D'Antoni, I brace for a spit take. But the jobless coach invokes that PG-as-CEO metaphor. "There's trying to run your own company," D'Antoni says, grinning. "But you've gotta be employed too."


http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12561636/inside-jeremy-lin-life-linsanity-new-york-knicks


This is really it. Lin is a specialist. In the right system, Lin CAN be as good as Dragic. However, he isn't by mere fact that he needs a certain system to thrive. Good players are going to be good to greater or lesser degrees in any system.

It can be argued that any player with significant talent, will do well in the "right" system. But if he's dependant on the right system, that makes him average/above average at best.


Many players are less dependent on system, sure. But the charts in above article about Dragic's improvement since going to Heat underline how even
Elite players can be affected by system and role. See also Rondo.

The other thing about Lin is that when in right system he is really good - like 2.2 PER since All Star Break good. Not every player is going to see that upside from being in a better system for them.


That's fine. Obviously the system is a big factor and as I've been saying, he's a specialist and a fine ball player. I just refuse to make excuses for him anymore. Lin's gotten his chances. System or no system.

As a New York Giants fan I get to hear all the Eli homers make excuse after excuse as to why he isn't as good as Ben R in Pittsburgh. And some point you just gotta say enough is enough. If Lin had Dragic like talent, he'd be doing a lot better than he has been.


Guys, you do realize that this is the second season that Lin has the chance to play a starting PG role, right? he was a D leaguer less than 3 years ago. You do realize that Dragic played for the Suns before as the backup PG. Dragic got a lot of NBA experience and then he had a great year in 2014.

Back to 2012, people would say if Drafic has the same talent as Lin, he would be doing a lot better then.

All I am trying to say is that the expectation on Lin is very high ever since his breaking out month but people tend to forget that he does not actually have a lot of experience as an NBA player.


Lin now has 3 full years of experience so that's not the issue. The issue is playing in a situation where he has the coach's full trust and free reins to run the team. Lin had it a little bit during his first year in Houston before they realized that Harden and Lin don't fit well together.

When Lin chooses a new destination this summer, he absolutely must get the owner/GM/coach's guarantee that he'll get the type of role/playing time he wants, whether it's starter or 6th man.

He "assumed" this in Houston, coming off of Linsanity, but the Harden trade quickly trumped this. He had no say in the trade coming to LA. He should be wiser now -- if he can't find the right environment this summer, it's all on him.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:38 am    Post subject:

we mightve seen Lin's last game in a Lakers uni .

bye dude. sorry it didn't work out.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:07 am    Post subject:

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we mightve seen Lin's last game in a Lakers uni .

bye dude. sorry it didn't work out.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:28 am    Post subject:

Alloy wrote:
gumblin wrote:
ice_cold wrote:
gumblin wrote:
Lorenzomax wrote:
kikanga wrote:
Jeremy Lin has Goran Dragic level talent. He just doesn't have his consistency.

From a basketball standpoint, it would be best for him to play elsewhere next year. Maybe he should run backup PG in MIA. They wouldn't have to change their system whether the 1st or 2nd unit is in.


After being labeled as a inconsistent player for 3 straight years, D'Antoni revealed the secrets of Lin being inconsistent under multiple inconsistent situations/roles:


"I think Jeremy can fit anywhere as a player," D'Antoni says. "He's that good. But he's not Linsanity if you put him just anywhere. If you close the floor on him" -- that is, if you don't stretch out defenses, if you don't leverage his yearning to attack the rim -- "he's going to look mediocre."

...

He visualizes Grizzlies point guard Mike Conley, who thrives without space, and Bryant, who inspired Lin's "point of emphasis" for this summer: midrange shots. Later, when I relay this plan to D'Antoni, I brace for a spit take. But the jobless coach invokes that PG-as-CEO metaphor. "There's trying to run your own company," D'Antoni says, grinning. "But you've gotta be employed too."


http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12561636/inside-jeremy-lin-life-linsanity-new-york-knicks


This is really it. Lin is a specialist. In the right system, Lin CAN be as good as Dragic. However, he isn't by mere fact that he needs a certain system to thrive. Good players are going to be good to greater or lesser degrees in any system.

It can be argued that any player with significant talent, will do well in the "right" system. But if he's dependant on the right system, that makes him average/above average at best.


Many players are less dependent on system, sure. But the charts in above article about Dragic's improvement since going to Heat underline how even
Elite players can be affected by system and role. See also Rondo.

The other thing about Lin is that when in right system he is really good - like 2.2 PER since All Star Break good. Not every player is going to see that upside from being in a better system for them.


That's fine. Obviously the system is a big factor and as I've been saying, he's a specialist and a fine ball player. I just refuse to make excuses for him anymore. Lin's gotten his chances. System or no system.

As a New York Giants fan I get to hear all the Eli homers make excuse after excuse as to why he isn't as good as Ben R in Pittsburgh. And some point you just gotta say enough is enough. If Lin had Dragic like talent, he'd be doing a lot better than he has been.


Guys, you do realize that this is the second season that Lin has the chance to play a starting PG role, right? he was a D leaguer less than 3 years ago. You do realize that Dragic played for the Suns before as the backup PG. Dragic got a lot of NBA experience and then he had a great year in 2014.

Back to 2012, people would say if Drafic has the same talent as Lin, he would be doing a lot better then.

All I am trying to say is that the expectation on Lin is very high ever since his breaking out month but people tend to forget that he does not actually have a lot of experience as an NBA player.


Not just that, but if Lin is to be believed, he did not even take seriously the possibility of his playing professional basketball until his senior year of college.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:28 pm    Post subject:

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All it takes is one good year, like Dragic's 2014. Hell, all it takes is 3 good weeks, like in Linsanity. That's why where Lin ends up in 2015 is absolutely crucial for his career. Pick poorly and he'll turn into Mo Williams or Ramon Sessions. Pick the right situation and he could be like Dragic.


Agree on that. This season was supposed to be one where he showed he could play on a non P&R uptempo team, but this team fell apart (and I'm not a fan of Scott the coach either). I think he will decide on whether to pursue a starting spot or to be on a good team (MLE is available to capped out team) as a 6th man or 1st guard off the bench basis.


Not sure when the team was supposed to be considered as an "uptempo team" with Kobe and Boozer in the starting lineup.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:30 pm    Post subject:

gumblin wrote:

As a New York Giants fan I get to hear all the Eli homers make excuse after excuse as to why he isn't as good as Ben R in Pittsburgh. And some point you just gotta say enough is enough.


Eli is way better than Ben.
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Anthony Peeler wrote:
Alloy wrote:
gumblin wrote:
ice_cold wrote:
gumblin wrote:
Lorenzomax wrote:
kikanga wrote:
Jeremy Lin has Goran Dragic level talent. He just doesn't have his consistency.

From a basketball standpoint, it would be best for him to play elsewhere next year. Maybe he should run backup PG in MIA. They wouldn't have to change their system whether the 1st or 2nd unit is in.


After being labeled as a inconsistent player for 3 straight years, D'Antoni revealed the secrets of Lin being inconsistent under multiple inconsistent situations/roles:


"I think Jeremy can fit anywhere as a player," D'Antoni says. "He's that good. But he's not Linsanity if you put him just anywhere. If you close the floor on him" -- that is, if you don't stretch out defenses, if you don't leverage his yearning to attack the rim -- "he's going to look mediocre."

...

He visualizes Grizzlies point guard Mike Conley, who thrives without space, and Bryant, who inspired Lin's "point of emphasis" for this summer: midrange shots. Later, when I relay this plan to D'Antoni, I brace for a spit take. But the jobless coach invokes that PG-as-CEO metaphor. "There's trying to run your own company," D'Antoni says, grinning. "But you've gotta be employed too."


http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12561636/inside-jeremy-lin-life-linsanity-new-york-knicks


This is really it. Lin is a specialist. In the right system, Lin CAN be as good as Dragic. However, he isn't by mere fact that he needs a certain system to thrive. Good players are going to be good to greater or lesser degrees in any system.

It can be argued that any player with significant talent, will do well in the "right" system. But if he's dependant on the right system, that makes him average/above average at best.


Many players are less dependent on system, sure. But the charts in above article about Dragic's improvement since going to Heat underline how even
Elite players can be affected by system and role. See also Rondo.

The other thing about Lin is that when in right system he is really good - like 2.2 PER since All Star Break good. Not every player is going to see that upside from being in a better system for them.


That's fine. Obviously the system is a big factor and as I've been saying, he's a specialist and a fine ball player. I just refuse to make excuses for him anymore. Lin's gotten his chances. System or no system.

As a New York Giants fan I get to hear all the Eli homers make excuse after excuse as to why he isn't as good as Ben R in Pittsburgh. And some point you just gotta say enough is enough. If Lin had Dragic like talent, he'd be doing a lot better than he has been.


Guys, you do realize that this is the second season that Lin has the chance to play a starting PG role, right? he was a D leaguer less than 3 years ago. You do realize that Dragic played for the Suns before as the backup PG. Dragic got a lot of NBA experience and then he had a great year in 2014.

Back to 2012, people would say if Drafic has the same talent as Lin, he would be doing a lot better then.

All I am trying to say is that the expectation on Lin is very high ever since his breaking out month but people tend to forget that he does not actually have a lot of experience as an NBA player.


Lin now has 3 full years of experience so that's not the issue. The issue is playing in a situation where he has the coach's full trust and free reins to run the team. Lin had it a little bit during his first year in Houston before they realized that Harden and Lin don't fit well together.

When Lin chooses a new destination this summer, he absolutely must get the owner/GM/coach's guarantee that he'll get the type of role/playing time he wants, whether it's starter or 6th man.

He "assumed" this in Houston, coming off of Linsanity, but the Harden trade quickly trumped this. He had no say in the trade coming to LA. He should be wiser now -- if he can't find the right environment this summer, it's all on him.


Houston didn't decide harden Lin didn't play well. Houston gained notoriety for their backcourt with these two. It was James not willing to share the lime light because he got the max contact and barf head agreed with him and spun a defensive star image on Beverly who was only playing because he was the giveme man to harden. Lin and harden owned the backcourt. Harden wanted it all.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:17 am    Post subject:

^
much like ronnie price head of snake here ... if ronnie wasn't so bad .. people would actually believe he has good d too just to spite Jeremy. he avg 22 / 6 or something when harden was out, i feel sorry for the way the coaches treat him.. he needs to balls and call out the coaches.
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kinein wrote:
Lorenzomax wrote:
maninus wrote:
NBA's point guards ranking from ESPN

Jlin #28

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12563832/nba-espn-nba-forecast-ranks-nba-starting-point-guards-no-1-chris-paul-no-30-dante-exum


Still a bull-crap ranking.. Lin's defense is far better than 1/3 of the players on that list. Calderon at #22 is a big fat joke. And Beverley is not better than Reggie Jackson & Elfrid Payton.


Calderon and Beverley rankings are way off... goes to show how useful that ranking actually is.

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I would not go so far. Lin can't seem to play consistently at the level he is capable of. After three years that is what it is.

Saying that it's due to unfair things being done to Lin is not doing Lin any favors. If Lin buys into that, he needs to get past it.

At bottom it is first of all Lin who does not always have confidence in his game, and he needs to overcome that.

He is where he is. But every player has the potential to surprise and in Lin's case, the possibility of surprise is higher than for most. Because he has the POTENTIAL to be so good.

I think he also needs a girlfriend. that happened for Dragic around the turning point in. Dragic's career. Get him outside his head : give him some support.
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I would not go so far. Lin can't seem to play consistently at the level he is capable of. After three years that is what it is.

Saying that it's due to unfair things being done to Lin is not doing Lin any favors. If Lin buys into that, he needs to get past it.

At bottom it is first of all Lin who does not always have confidence in his game, and he needs to overcome that.

He is where he is. But every player has the potential to surprise and in Lin's case, the possibility of surprise is higher than for most. Because he has the POTENTIAL to be so good.

I think he also needs a girlfriend. that happened for Dragic around the turning point in. Dragic's career. Get him outside his head : give him some support.


Let's get off this canard that Lin is "inconsistent". When he gets 35min/game and is not playing with a ball dominant guard, he produces. He's demonstrated this during the past several games and he's demonstrated it on the Knicks, and he's demonstrated it on the Rockets when Harden wasn't playing. Even paired with Harden, Lin played well during the first year because he got 30+ minutes per game. It was only by the second season, when he was forced to the bench, that his play suffered.

Look at Dragic. He was All-NBA 3rd team in 2014 when he got lots of minutes and could control the ball. In 2015, when the Suns got Thomas and Bledsoe was healthy, Dragic's minutes went down by a couple minutes per game and his PTs per game went down by 4. As long as Dwyane Wade is healthy, Dragic's numbers will stay below his 2014 level.

If people are going to make an argument that Lin is inconsistent, please provide supporting evidence and not simply banal statements like "it is what it is" and "he is where he is" or "he needs a girlfriend". Besides, all the top players actually seem to get worse when they initially get a girlfriend.
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I would not go so far. Lin can't seem to play consistently at the level he is capable of. After three years that is what it is.

Saying that it's due to unfair things being done to Lin is not doing Lin any favors. If Lin buys into that, he needs to get past it.

At bottom it is first of all Lin who does not always have confidence in his game, and he needs to overcome that.

He is where he is. But every player has the potential to surprise and in Lin's case, the possibility of surprise is higher than for most. Because he has the POTENTIAL to be so good.

I think he also needs a girlfriend. that happened for Dragic around the turning point in. Dragic's career. Get him outside his head : give him some support.


When Lin lost his job to Ronnie Price who is obviously a much worse player on both ends. You got to wonder what was going on and whether perception was, as Lin indicated himself, a big part of the reason that get him demoted.

I think all he needs is a coach who is open minded and analytic. It is better for him to be backup PG on a team with a good coach of this type than to be the starting PG on a team with a terrible coach.

MDA moved him from a bench warmer to a starter because he found out Lin was very coachable , learn and execute the coach's plan very well. Mchale moved him to bench before the 2014 season started. BS decided to start Price before the 2015 season started. Neither of them gave Lin a chance to play with the most important player (Howard and Kobe).

Lin was reportedly perceived as mediocre during pick up games and one on ones. But a few coaches changed their opinion once they saw how Lin played in a real game.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 7:22 am    Post subject:

Anthony Peeler wrote:
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I would not go so far. Lin can't seem to play consistently at the level he is capable of. After three years that is what it is.

Saying that it's due to unfair things being done to Lin is not doing Lin any favors. If Lin buys into that, he needs to get past it.

At bottom it is first of all Lin who does not always have confidence in his game, and he needs to overcome that.

He is where he is. But every player has the potential to surprise and in Lin's case, the possibility of surprise is higher than for most. Because he has the POTENTIAL to be so good.

I think he also needs a girlfriend. that happened for Dragic around the turning point in. Dragic's career. Get him outside his head : give him some support.


Let's get off this canard that Lin is "inconsistent". When he gets 35min/game and is not playing with a ball dominant guard, he produces. He's demonstrated this during the past several games and he's demonstrated it on the Knicks, and he's demonstrated it on the Rockets when Harden wasn't playing. Even paired with Harden, Lin played well during the first year because he got 30+ minutes per game. It was only by the second season, when he was forced to the bench, that his play suffered.

Look at Dragic. He was All-NBA 3rd team in 2014 when he got lots of minutes and could control the ball. In 2015, when the Suns got Thomas and Bledsoe was healthy, Dragic's minutes went down by a couple minutes per game and his PTs per game went down by 4. As long as Dwyane Wade is healthy, Dragic's numbers will stay below his 2014 level.

If people are going to make an argument that Lin is inconsistent, please provide supporting evidence and not simply banal statements like "it is what it is" and "he is where he is" or "he needs a girlfriend". Besides, all the top players actually seem to get worse when they initially get a girlfriend.


I know it sounds like a throwaway line but I do think he'd do better with a girlfriend. See Steph Curry too.

Don't want to get into the details but for example there is no reason he couldn't have taken over the game more or run the show more when he was coming off the bench in Houston, or here. Again, it does not do him any favors to believe this is all due to external factors.

In fact it distracts from addressing his lack of confidence in his game sometimes
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 7:38 am    Post subject:

no way, a gf will pull him away from DotA, and then he won't be the same jlin we know.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 7:42 am    Post subject:

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I would not go so far. Lin can't seem to play consistently at the level he is capable of. After three years that is what it is.

Saying that it's due to unfair things being done to Lin is not doing Lin any favors. If Lin buys into that, he needs to get past it.

At bottom it is first of all Lin who does not always have confidence in his game, and he needs to overcome that.

He is where he is. But every player has the potential to surprise and in Lin's case, the possibility of surprise is higher than for most. Because he has the POTENTIAL to be so good.

I think he also needs a girlfriend. that happened for Dragic around the turning point in. Dragic's career. Get him outside his head : give him some support.


Let's get off this canard that Lin is "inconsistent". When he gets 35min/game and is not playing with a ball dominant guard, he produces. He's demonstrated this during the past several games and he's demonstrated it on the Knicks, and he's demonstrated it on the Rockets when Harden wasn't playing. Even paired with Harden, Lin played well during the first year because he got 30+ minutes per game. It was only by the second season, when he was forced to the bench, that his play suffered.

Look at Dragic. He was All-NBA 3rd team in 2014 when he got lots of minutes and could control the ball. In 2015, when the Suns got Thomas and Bledsoe was healthy, Dragic's minutes went down by a couple minutes per game and his PTs per game went down by 4. As long as Dwyane Wade is healthy, Dragic's numbers will stay below his 2014 level.

If people are going to make an argument that Lin is inconsistent, please provide supporting evidence and not simply banal statements like "it is what it is" and "he is where he is" or "he needs a girlfriend". Besides, all the top players actually seem to get worse when they initially get a girlfriend.


I know it sounds like a throwaway line but I do think he'd do better with a girlfriend. See Steph Curry too.

Don't want to get into the details but for example there is no reason he couldn't have taken over the game more or run the show more when he was coming off the bench in Houston, or here. Again, it does not do him any favors to believe this is all due to external factors.

In fact it distracts from addressing his lack of confidence in his game sometimes


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 7:45 am    Post subject:

The reason it was hard for Lin to take over games or run the show more coming off the bench in Houston was because Harden played 38 minutes a game (meaning, despite coming the bench, Lin still was paired with Harden a lot). Also, a lesser factor was that Howard, despite being one of the best PnR centers in the league, hated to do PnR. Lin could have tried to exert himself on Harden and Howard, but it would have been a stupid move to pull that on veterans.

Now, if your argument is that Lin lacks extraordinary confidence like Nate Robinson or JR Smith, when paired with veterans like Harden or Kobe, then I'll give that you. The natural confidence that comes with being a veteran who can impose his will on younger players should develop soon for Lin since he'll be a 4th year next year. And it will be magnified if he plays on a young team.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 7:54 am    Post subject:

This just got weird.

I think the conclusion we can all draw is that Lin's life and basketball game would improve if he could only start dating a Kardashian.

Or did I get that wrong?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 8:16 am    Post subject:

.. He needs to stop being up until the middle of the night thinking about things that went wrong after a game. He needs to let it go, and have another life to go to when he goes home.

I do think his personality is more like Steph Curry and Dragic, who both seem to have benefited from stable long term relationships.

He needs to believe in himself more. He needs to really do that.

== I will now stop my Early Wednesday Morning ranting.
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