Taking a page from Kobe but yes I blame the media for this too. Had they sucked him off like they did Jordan he'd be remembered properly today. Kareem has no business being an afterthought when talking about the greatest players of all-time.
Kareem went out of his way to be aloof and distant. He resisted the attention people tried to give him. As a result, the media ignores him and coaching jobs don't come knocking.
Media ignores him because of his name and religion. All that other stuff is just blowing smoke. Not saying Kareem was the nicest guy, but I doubt Russell was always Mr Smiley Face either. He had his resentment towards media and fans also. He wasn't in attendance for his own jersey retirement ceremony. However, Boston (the city) has that racist reputation and tries really hard to paint a positive picture of itself. Russell played the game a little better than Kareem did, has that laugh everyone loves. If his name was something like Abdul-Jabbar though...
You try dealing with the media. Majority of them are jerks. If there's any group that's the ultimate evil, it's them. More so than corrupt cops, dirty lawyers, corporate cheats...you name it.
Anyway, everyone has their own Rushmore. Durant has his. It's tough to choose 4 people out of the dozens of legends. _________________ Smrek 2, Nevitt 1, Barkley 0
Taking a page from Kobe but yes I blame the media for this too. Had they sucked him off like they did Jordan he'd be remembered properly today. Kareem has no business being an afterthought when talking about the greatest players of all-time.
Kareem went out of his way to be aloof and distant. He resisted the attention people tried to give him. As a result, the media ignores him and coaching jobs don't come knocking.
Media ignores him because of his name and religion. All that other stuff is just blowing smoke. Not saying Kareem was the nicest guy, but I doubt Russell was always Mr Smiley Face either. He had his resentment towards media and fans also. He wasn't in attendance for his own jersey retirement ceremony. However, Boston (the city) has that racist reputation and tries really hard to paint a positive picture of itself. Russell played the game a little better than Kareem did, has that laugh everyone loves. If his name was something like Abdul-Jabbar though...
You try dealing with the media. Majority of them are jerks. If there's any group that's the ultimate evil, it's them. More so than corrupt cops, dirty lawyers, corporate cheats...you name it.
Anyway, everyone has their own Rushmore. Durant has his. It's tough to choose 4 people out of the dozens of legends.
If it's about his name and religion, why is Muhammad Ali so beloved?
Taking a page from Kobe but yes I blame the media for this too. Had they sucked him off like they did Jordan he'd be remembered properly today. Kareem has no business being an afterthought when talking about the greatest players of all-time.
Kareem went out of his way to be aloof and distant. He resisted the attention people tried to give him. As a result, the media ignores him and coaching jobs don't come knocking.
Media ignores him because of his name and religion. All that other stuff is just blowing smoke. Not saying Kareem was the nicest guy, but I doubt Russell was always Mr Smiley Face either. He had his resentment towards media and fans also. He wasn't in attendance for his own jersey retirement ceremony. However, Boston (the city) has that racist reputation and tries really hard to paint a positive picture of itself. Russell played the game a little better than Kareem did, has that laugh everyone loves. If his name was something like Abdul-Jabbar though...
You try dealing with the media. Majority of them are jerks. If there's any group that's the ultimate evil, it's them. More so than corrupt cops, dirty lawyers, corporate cheats...you name it.
Anyway, everyone has their own Rushmore. Durant has his. It's tough to choose 4 people out of the dozens of legends.
Disagree. The media doesn't hype him because he isn't very marketable. At all. He isn't particularly likeable and doesn't show much of a personality at all. Same reason why Duncan doesn't get the hype BTW. It's not because the media hates the Virgin Islands.
When will people get it that the media has only one agenda and that is to make money. If there was money to be made hyping Kareem, they'd have done it. It's pretty clear why there isn't.
But stat geeks and efficiency aficionados across the internet have told me that Kobe isn't even in the conversation of the top 15 players of all time. Am I really supposed to value the opinion of some nobody like Kevin Durant, who's only a former MVP, scoring champion, and a guy who has been to the NBA finals over theirs!?
Kobe is definitely not a top 5 player of all time. He's top 15 for me because of his resume. These players really don't have any idea what they are talking about for the most part. Lots of them chose Westbrook, the most selfish player of all time, as the MVP
And oh yeah, efficiency is important, not sure why you're knocking it. Bitter much?
Taking a page from Kobe but yes I blame the media for this too. Had they sucked him off like they did Jordan he'd be remembered properly today. Kareem has no business being an afterthought when talking about the greatest players of all-time.
Kareem went out of his way to be aloof and distant. He resisted the attention people tried to give him. As a result, the media ignores him and coaching jobs don't come knocking.
Media ignores him because of his name and religion. All that other stuff is just blowing smoke. Not saying Kareem was the nicest guy, but I doubt Russell was always Mr Smiley Face either. He had his resentment towards media and fans also. He wasn't in attendance for his own jersey retirement ceremony. However, Boston (the city) has that racist reputation and tries really hard to paint a positive picture of itself. Russell played the game a little better than Kareem did, has that laugh everyone loves. If his name was something like Abdul-Jabbar though...
You try dealing with the media. Majority of them are jerks. If there's any group that's the ultimate evil, it's them. More so than corrupt cops, dirty lawyers, corporate cheats...you name it.
Anyway, everyone has their own Rushmore. Durant has his. It's tough to choose 4 people out of the dozens of legends.
Disagree. The media doesn't hype him because he isn't very marketable. At all. He isn't particularly likeable and doesn't show much of a personality at all. Same reason why Duncan doesn't get the hype BTW. It's not because the media hates the Virgin Islands.
When will people get it that the media has only one agenda and that is to make money. If there was money to be made hyping Kareem, they'd have done it. It's pretty clear why there isn't.
It's more accurate to say the media is going to talk about what people are interested in.
They don't talk about Duncan because he's boring and the general public doesn't care about him.
They don't talk about Kareem because he's sour, has no charisma, and the general public doesn't care about him either.
Russell is an entirely different story. About 20 years ago, he was a forgotten figure who rarely spoke in public. With interest in the NBA rising, he and his family put together a very calculated plan to position him as a safe, elder statement -- and get him motivational speaking gigs and endorsements from conservative companies.
He played the game with a savvy that Kareem never could, and which Duncan has never shown any interest in.
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 9:22 pm Post subject:
24 wrote:
moonriver24 wrote:
Aeneas Hunter wrote:
The whole Mount Rushmore thing became a tired cliché about six months ago.
Should be: Dancing Barry, VenturaLakersfan, Mike ( a t ) LG and 24
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Can the Laker organization give us 1 second round pick that they have to draft after we have our own draft board and unanimously agree on a player? _________________ Resident Car Nut.
But stat geeks and efficiency aficionados across the internet have told me that Kobe isn't even in the conversation of the top 15 players of all time. Am I really supposed to value the opinion of some nobody like Kevin Durant, who's only a former MVP, scoring champion, and a guy who has been to the NBA finals over theirs!?
Kobe is definitely not a top 5 player of all time. He's top 15 for me because of his resume. These players really don't have any idea what they are talking about for the most part. Lots of them chose Westbrook, the most selfish player of all time, as the MVP
And oh yeah, efficiency is important, not sure why you're knocking it. Bitter much?
Lol at having Kobe top 15 hater much? Kobe at worst is top 10 player of all-time based on accomplishments.
Kobe is definitely top 10, but he's not better then Jordan, Kareem, Russell, and Magic. I don't think he's better then Bird either, neither is Lebron. Bird was arguably the best player in the best era of basketball.
I see some top 10 list that has Lebron ranked above Bird. Lebron was just more athletic, thats it. Bird was a better shooter, rebounder, and just as good of a passer. He had quick feet too for a 6'10 SF, very good defender.
Kobe is definitely top 10, but he's not better then Jordan, Kareem, Russell, and Magic. I don't think he's better then Bird either, neither is Lebron. Bird was arguably the best player in the best era of basketball.
I see some top 10 list that has Lebron ranked above Bird. Lebron was just more athletic, thats it. Bird was a better shooter, rebounder, and just as good of a passer. He had quick feet too for a 6'10 SF, very good defender.
I wouldn't have as much of an issue with the Bronites if they didn't simply lean so much on Bron's athleticism (part of which could have resulted from a spray concocted from Asiatic yak penis; who knows with him?) In his prime, he covered more area from floor to rim in an open half court than Jordan or Nique imo. As impossible as it would've been to imagine, in Bron's athletic prime, he made Nique look slightly less-awesome. I think Bron's court vision and ability to play more than one position has more to do with his success than sheer brute strength or vert/speed, etc. He's already learning how to rely less upon those earlier attributes after he debulked and as he heads towards the wrong side of 30. Seeing what Bird got out of his body works as proof of that notion. His mind picked up for whatever slack his body created. _________________ GOAT MAGIC REEL SEDALE TRIBUTE EDDIE DONX!
He had quick feet too for a 6'10 SF, very good defender.
Bird with quick feet?
The one time he made All-Defensive Second team was entirely based on motor and quick hands.
Quick feet and quick hands. He's held his own against Jordan many times in iso. Always got the best of Wilkins, those are two of the most athletic players ever. I don't like the team he plays for but I admire his game. If he had today's NBA training, he would be even better. Basically, Dirk Super Saiyan mode. 24/10/6 in the best era.
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Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 8:59 am Post subject:
Dave20 wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
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He had quick feet too for a 6'10 SF, very good defender.
Bird with quick feet?
The one time he made All-Defensive Second team was entirely based on motor and quick hands.
Quick feet and quick hands. He's held his own against Jordan many times in iso. Always got the best of Wilkins, those are two of the most athletic players ever. I don't like the team he plays for but I admire his game. If he had today's NBA training, he would be even better. Basically, Dirk Super Saiyan mode. 24/10/6 in the best era.
I wouldn't call that quick feet.
He always had the best of Wilkins because 'Nique had average hoop IQ and sub-par ball-handling. Settled for a lot of mid range shots when he couldn't get around guys. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
He got the best of Jordan too, it wasn't just Wilkins. He was better then all the top tier athletic players in the 80's. Magic was the only player comparable as far as impact. I think if he played today, he would get the best out of Lebron as well. It would be a battle because Lebron is great, but he would win.
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Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:08 am Post subject:
Dave20 wrote:
He got the best of Jordan too, it wasn't just Wilkins. He was better then all the top tier athletic players in the 80's. Magic was the only player comparable as far as impact. I think if he played today, he would get the best out of Lebron as well. It would be a battle because Lebron is great, but he would win.
He was a bigger player with the best hand-eye coordination out there.
Don't forget, MJ barely had range outside 20' as a young pup.
But, almost every highlight on that defense YouTube video.. Hands. Everything, hands. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
Kobe is definitely top 10, but he's not better then Jordan, Kareem, Russell, and Magic. I don't think he's better then Bird either, neither is Lebron. Bird was arguably the best player in the best era of basketball.
I see some top 10 list that has Lebron ranked above Bird. Lebron was just more athletic, thats it. Bird was a better shooter, rebounder, and just as good of a passer. He had quick feet too for a 6'10 SF, very good defender.
The 80s is not the best era of basketball. The game is far more advanced today. That's a natural rule in life, products progress over 30 years. And just from the eye test, basketball and athletes have clearly done that.
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