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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 10:50 am    Post subject: Current best two way players at each position?
I would go with

Russell Westbrook
Klay Thompson
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Anthony Davis
Dwight Howard
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:09 am    Post subject:
Of the top of my head:

Curry
Harden
MGasol
Davis
Leonard

By RPM it is:

Curry
Harden
Cousins
Davis
Leonard
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:54 am    Post subject:
ribeye wrote:
Of the top of my head:

Curry
Harden
MGasol
Davis
Leonard

By RPM it is:

Curry
Harden
Cousins
Davis
Leonard


He said 2-way player.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:24 pm    Post subject:
Westbrook
Jimmy Butler
LeBron
Anthony Davis
Marc Gasol
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:26 pm    Post subject:
USCandLakers wrote:
ribeye wrote:
Of the top of my head:

Curry
Harden
MGasol
Davis
Leonard

By RPM it is:

Curry
Harden
Cousins
Davis
Leonard


He said 2-way player.


I understand his parameter. RPM is one of the better metrics for measuring offensive contribution and defensive contribution, individually, and as a total for both.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:35 pm    Post subject:
Steph Curry.
Klay Thompson.
Paul George (If healthy).
Anthony Davis.
Dwight Howard (If healthy).
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:08 pm    Post subject:
Westbrook
Thompson
Lebron
Davis
MGasol
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:34 pm    Post subject:
Westbrook
Klay
Lebron
Davis
Gasol

Easy peasy
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:25 pm    Post subject:
CandyCanes wrote:
Westbrook
Jimmy Butler
LeBron
Anthony Davis
Marc Gasol

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 2:08 am    Post subject:
Paul
Butler
George
Davis
Dwight
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 3:34 am    Post subject:
Dwight?!

On a serious note;

AD
Lebron
Kawhi
Butler
Wall/Westie
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 3:52 am    Post subject:
kikanga wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
Westbrook
Jimmy Butler
LeBron
Anthony Davis
Marc Gasol


Very quickly off the top of my head, this list seems to be about right. Maybe Klay has an argument for the 2 spot. Pretty good list though.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:44 am    Post subject:
I would ditch the traditional | PG - SG - SF - PF - C | paradigm and shift to something more like the | 2 backcourt - 3 front court | model ...

Chris Paul
Russell Westbrook

(Honorable Mention: John Wall, Klay Thompson, Jimmy Butler)

Kawhi Leonard
LeBron James
Anthony Davis

(Honorable Mention: Tim Duncan, Andre Drummond, Dwight Howard)
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:10 pm    Post subject:
Chris Paul
Jimmy Butler
LeBron James
Anthony Davis
Marc Gasol
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:28 pm    Post subject:
44TheLogo wrote:
Chris Paul
Jimmy Butler
LeBron James
Anthony Davis
Marc Gasol
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:59 pm    Post subject:
Chris Paul
Jimmy Butler
Kawhi Leonard
Anthony Davis
Marc Gasol

That's the only answer. Lebron's in there when he wants to be but he hasn't consistently played high level defense this year.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:18 am    Post subject:
ribeye wrote:
USCandLakers wrote:
ribeye wrote:
Of the top of my head:

Curry
Harden
MGasol
Davis
Leonard

By RPM it is:

Curry
Harden
Cousins
Davis
Leonard


He said 2-way player.


I understand his parameter. RPM is one of the better metrics for measuring offensive contribution and defensive contribution, individually, and as a total for both.


RPM has Harden and Curry as the best two way players? Are you trying to make a case against RPM?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:34 am    Post subject:
USCandLakers wrote:
ribeye wrote:
USCandLakers wrote:
ribeye wrote:
Of the top of my head:

Curry
Harden
MGasol
Davis
Leonard

By RPM it is:

Curry
Harden
Cousins
Davis
Leonard


He said 2-way player.


I understand his parameter. RPM is one of the better metrics for measuring offensive contribution and defensive contribution, individually, and as a total for both.


RPM has Harden and Curry as the best two way players? Are you trying to make a case against RPM?


RPM is a good measure, but only one of many. The theory is sound, but not knowing how much shaping occurs due to the regressions measures, I can't say for certain. To be honest, I just happened to have that opened and went with that.

When I think of a two-way player, I think of the sum of their offensive production plus the sum of their defensive production. Win Shares is another good measure but it rewards players on winning teams and is accumulative which punishes a player who might miss games. 82games net production is another (kind of a PER offensive and a PER defensive rating) but since they no longer have a composite listing of the best players, I was too lazy to look up each player.
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