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| rwongega wrote: | | The Sansa sexual assault. Gripping but I felt an unnecessary change. |
Yeah, and it was the second time too because it happened with Jaime and Cersei about a season ago. Some feminists/book readers were outraged again on twitter, and I can't say I blame them. I will 99% of the time favor the depth of storytelling in the book over the changes in the show, but that's mainly because I love the books so much. The show is still good even though they are changing a lot now, but I don't like how Jorah got greyscale either. |
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| TheJellosJigglin' wrote: | | rwongega wrote: | | The Sansa sexual assault. Gripping but I felt an unnecessary change. |
Yeah, and it was the second time too because it happened with Jaime and Cersei about a season ago. Some feminists/book readers were outraged again on twitter, and I can't say I blame them. I will 99% of the time favor the depth of storytelling in the book over the changes in the show, but that's mainly because I love the books so much. The show is still good even though they are changing a lot now, but I don't like how Jorah got greyscale either. |
I'm guessing they're merging Jon Connington with Jorah?
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| When is Theon going to tell Sansa that he didn't kill her brothers? |
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| rwongega wrote: | | TheJellosJigglin' wrote: | | rwongega wrote: | | The Sansa sexual assault. Gripping but I felt an unnecessary change. |
Yeah, and it was the second time too because it happened with Jaime and Cersei about a season ago. Some feminists/book readers were outraged again on twitter, and I can't say I blame them. I will 99% of the time favor the depth of storytelling in the book over the changes in the show, but that's mainly because I love the books so much. The show is still good even though they are changing a lot now, but I don't like how Jorah got greyscale either. |
I'm guessing they're merging Jon Connington with Jorah? |
Yep. And I understand it from the showrunners' perspective. There isn't enough screen time for hundreds of characters. Still don't like it because I like Jorah. And it gives the people who say the show kills off anybody who is a decent person more ammunition. The showrunners like to make the show even more dark than the books. Red Wedding with Rob's pregnant wife getting stabbed in the stomach, the two rapes, etc etc. |
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| CBaller8 wrote: | | When is Theon going to tell Sansa that he didn't kill her brothers? |
Probably when they make a run for it after Stannis arrives. |
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| TheJellosJigglin' wrote: | | CBaller8 wrote: | | When is Theon going to tell Sansa that he didn't kill her brothers? |
Probably when they make a run for it after Stannis arrives. |
It's bugging me because he has had a couple opportunities. |
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| CBaller8 wrote: | | TheJellosJigglin' wrote: | | CBaller8 wrote: | | When is Theon going to tell Sansa that he didn't kill her brothers? |
Probably when they make a run for it after Stannis arrives. |
It's bugging me because he has had a couple opportunities. |
He needs to return to his normal self first. He's no longer Theon, he's Reek...completely broken at this point. |
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| TheJellosJigglin' wrote: | | rwongega wrote: | | TheJellosJigglin' wrote: | | rwongega wrote: | | The Sansa sexual assault. Gripping but I felt an unnecessary change. |
Yeah, and it was the second time too because it happened with Jaime and Cersei about a season ago. Some feminists/book readers were outraged again on twitter, and I can't say I blame them. I will 99% of the time favor the depth of storytelling in the book over the changes in the show, but that's mainly because I love the books so much. The show is still good even though they are changing a lot now, but I don't like how Jorah got greyscale either. |
I'm guessing they're merging Jon Connington with Jorah? |
Yep. And I understand it from the showrunners' perspective. There isn't enough screen time for hundreds of characters. Still don't like it because I like Jorah. And it gives the people who say the show kills off anybody who is a decent person more ammunition. The showrunners like to make the show even more dark than the books. Red Wedding with Rob's pregnant wife getting stabbed in the stomach, the two sexual assaults, etc etc. |
What happened to Sansa on the show is not worse than what happened in the books to Jeyne Poole in the same part.
About the show's version, I find merit in the argument that Sansa's rape was made to be about Theon unjustifiably and not about Sansa herself, i.e. Sansa is a device only to affect Theon's change. However, how is what happened to Theon so ignored? He was castrated. I was wondering why they spent so much time on Ramsay and Theon for so many episodes, and indulged in his torture. Also we don't know what happens to Sansa after this, and so don't know how this plays out for her. |
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| TheJellosJigglin' wrote: | | rwongega wrote: | | The Sansa sexual assault. Gripping but I felt an unnecessary change. |
Yeah, and it was the second time too because it happened with Jaime and Cersei about a season ago. Some feminists/book readers were outraged again on twitter, and I can't say I blame them. I will 99% of the time favor the depth of storytelling in the book over the changes in the show, but that's mainly because I love the books so much. The show is still good even though they are changing a lot now, but I don't like how Jorah got greyscale either. |
I was angry because the show's folks didn't seem to get that it was a rape with Jamie and Cersei in their comments afterward. Utterly stupid. And they inserted it into the story when the books never had it, plus it changed Cersei's trend of becoming the queen finally and revelling in her increasing power.
This one happened in the book, though to Jeyne Poole and there is no Jeyne, as you know. There must be a Theon redemption thng coming in the show, and in the books too. Otherwise why spend so much time with Ramsay and Theon. |
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10/10 episode .... those Walkers yikes ... Tyrion & Dany teaming up ... Reek finally spills the beans.
It's basically 1000% certain the Dragons will be huge factors in this war since the dead if not burned will turn into Walkers.
Since we haven't seen Bran at all, he must be training and honing his powers of vision. So I'm thinking he's going to take over one of those dragons later on.
The Walker leaders were like the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse perched up high.
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| rwongega wrote: | | The Sansa sexual assault. Gripping but I felt an unnecessary change. |
They wanted to bring Sansa to Winterfell. The alternative may have been not to use her at all, like Bran, since she's basically just hanging out in the Eyrie at this point. Nothing interesting from a show perspective. |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | rwongega wrote: | | The Sansa sexual assault. Gripping but I felt an unnecessary change. |
They wanted to bring Sansa to Winterfell. The alternative may have been not to use her at all, like Bran, since she's basically just hanging out in the Eyrie at this point. Nothing interesting from a show perspective. |
Didn't really like the Sansa TV character anyways so it would've been fine to put focus elsewhere.
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| KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | 10/10 episode .... those Walkers yikes ... Tyrion & Dany teaming up ... Reek finally spills the beans.
It's basically 1000% certain the Dragons will be huge factors in this war since the dead if not burned will turn into Walkers.
Since we haven't seen Bran at all, he must be training and honing his powers of vision. So I'm thinking he's going to take over one of those dragons later on.
The Walker leaders were like the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse perched up high. |
Duh. At least, it should be a big "Duh." If GRRM does something different, I'll be shocked. |
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| I think the show is so heavily hinting at Olly being the character doing the "for the watch" moment that they might swerve us and do something else. People who don't read the books and saw that scene with Olly and Sam think it will have bad repercussions. |
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| Vishnu wrote: | | I think the show is so heavily hinting at Olly being the character doing the "for the watch" moment that they might swerve us and do something else. People who don't read the books and saw that scene with Olly and Sam think it will have bad repercussions. |
People watching the show are going to be pissed if the showrunners stay with the book plot and stab Jon, and even more so if they make that the last scene of the season. It's kind of (bleep)ed up that GRRM left that big of a cliffhanger going on 4 years now. We didn't see any reactions or consequences, no closure, don't even know if he's dead. Hopefully the show will answer that question, although we are on two different timelines anyway. |
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| TheJellosJigglin' wrote: | | Vishnu wrote: | | I think the show is so heavily hinting at Olly being the character doing the "for the watch" moment that they might swerve us and do something else. People who don't read the books and saw that scene with Olly and Sam think it will have bad repercussions. |
People watching the show are going to be pissed if the showrunners stay with the book plot and stab Jon, and even more so if they make that the last scene of the season. It's kind of (bleep)ed up that GRRM left that big of a cliffhanger going on 4 years now. We didn't see any reactions or consequences, no closure, don't even know if he's dead. Hopefully the show will answer that question, although we are on two different timelines anyway. |
I was thinking it would be the last scene of the season. With all the talk of GRRM rushing to get the book out next year, I believed a lot of that was so he could reveal Jon's fate and not the show. It would be a minor victory for him since there's no way he'll finish the books before the show is over. |
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| Vishnu wrote: | | TheJellosJigglin' wrote: | | Vishnu wrote: | | I think the show is so heavily hinting at Olly being the character doing the "for the watch" moment that they might swerve us and do something else. People who don't read the books and saw that scene with Olly and Sam think it will have bad repercussions. |
People watching the show are going to be pissed if the showrunners stay with the book plot and stab Jon, and even more so if they make that the last scene of the season. It's kind of (bleep)ed up that GRRM left that big of a cliffhanger going on 4 years now. We didn't see any reactions or consequences, no closure, don't even know if he's dead. Hopefully the show will answer that question, although we are on two different timelines anyway. |
I was thinking it would be the last scene of the season. With all the talk of GRRM rushing to get the book out next year, I believed a lot of that was so he could reveal Jon's fate and not the show. It would be a minor victory for him since there's no way he'll finish the books before the show is over. |
I think Ollie is already being set up to be the guy to shank him.
*edit* Didn't see your original post Vishnu. Agreed. I hope not though.
Although if Jon doesn't die from the stabbing in the books, the showrunners may choose to omit it altogether. |
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| rwongega wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | rwongega wrote: | | The Sansa sexual assault. Gripping but I felt an unnecessary change. |
They wanted to bring Sansa to Winterfell. The alternative may have been not to use her at all, like Bran, since she's basically just hanging out in the Eyrie at this point. Nothing interesting from a show perspective. |
Didn't really like the Sansa TV character anyways so it would've been fine to put focus elsewhere. |
Eh, she's the same as book Sansa. Just as naive with a story arc that dragged just the same. |
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| rwongega wrote: | | Yet another departure from the books solely meant to create shock value. |
Saw it coming though. The "touching" scene earlier with the 2 of them set it up. It looks like a lot of people are upset judging by twitter. If FTW happens next week, I half expect people to take pitchforks to the showrunners' homes. |
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| rwongega wrote: | | Yet another departure from the books solely meant to create shock value. |
Another example of the showrunners' weird desire to make the show more brutal than the books. |
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