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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | Are the jump hook numbers the same as on the left and right blocks? FWIW, here's Okafor's:
Left block score rate - 55.7%
Right block score rate – 53.4%
Flash middle score rate – 63.6% |
No, because you can go over either shoulder (or not shoot a jump hook at all) from either block. Thanks for posting that info though, that's good stuff too. |
Do you know what "score rate" encompasses? Free throws, passes out of the post... |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | Are the jump hook numbers the same as on the left and right blocks? FWIW, here's Okafor's:
Left block score rate - 55.7%
Right block score rate – 53.4%
Flash middle score rate – 63.6% |
No, because you can go over either shoulder (or not shoot a jump hook at all) from either block. Thanks for posting that info though, that's good stuff too. |
Do you know what "score rate" encompasses? Free throws, passes out of the post... |
I don't, first I've heard of it. |
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| 24 wrote: | | Ziggy wrote: | | fiendishoc wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | Completely a novice when it comes to analytics , but just from my eye(my trademarked phrase) I don't see the same effectiveness with the 3ball as in the regular season. I see Harden taking way more short/mid range 2s. I see Klay struggling in these playoffs. I've seen the Warriors have more off games in this 15 game stretch than any other 15 game stretch from them (although they've only lost twice) - the Pels had them off their game for 2 games - Grizz the same..
I see Kyle Korver bricking
I see the Warriors posting Harrison Barnes more than usual..
Idk. I'm almost convinced that playoff D stifles the 3point game a bit. Harden has been best as a mid range shooter in these playoffs, from my eye.
With that said, I'm opening up to a Jahlil and Randle frontcourt more than ever. I think in the playoffs, a good look is a good look. Randle will get good mid range looks at will. And Okafor will score mostly in the paint, Randle too. (not just layups). And Clarkson could be great in the mid range too |
I haven't dug into the numbers yet, but if you're taking away the 3 then you are probably giving up something else to these teams. The fact remains that the four teams still competing in the playoffs were 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 5th in 3ptrs made during the regular season. |
But isn't it possible that is just a byproduct of a lack of post scorers?
If you lack post scorers, you have no choice to but to be an elite 3 point shooting team. Great 3PT shooting beats average/good post scoring, as we saw with Memphis. Imagine if Korver or Klay Thompson were on Memphis. Scary.
If you put an Okafor down there in the post, you're still going to need shooters to keep defenses honest, but you're not going to need freakish, god-like shooting to advance in the postseason. I don't believe fundamental winning basketball has changed as drastically as people think.
Teams are playing pace-and-space because that is the best way to win if you lack elite post scoring. If Shaq or Hakeem or Cap were playing today, that'd all go out the window. |
I think you're missing the fundamental reason for the lack of low post scoring. |
I would argue that even with a low post scorer, you would still be taking a high number of 3's from kickouts in the post.
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| How are the numbers for Al Horford? That's someone I'd be intrigued by in 2016. |
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I know most hate how this has turned into a postup vs. non-postup thread, but I have to ask, how would one incorporate Okafor into a modern day offense? Double team, kick out for threes type of deal?
Also defensively I hope he can develop into a defender. If you read Bogut's draftexpress scouting report when coming into the league, many of his defensive weaknesses are the exact same weaknesses described for Okafor.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Andrew-Bogut-70/ |
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| akk7 wrote: | I know most hate how this has turned into a postup vs. non-postup thread, but I have to ask, how would one incorporate Okafor into a modern day offense? Double team, kick out for threes type of deal?
Also defensively I hope he can develop into a defender. If you read Bogut's draftexpress scouting report when coming into the league, many of his defensive weaknesses are the exact same weaknesses described for Okafor.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Andrew-Bogut-70/ |
As polished an inside scorer that Okafor is, I don't think he's at the level where he's just going to back down NBA sized bigmen and score unless he gets doubled.
I'd have him set a lot of picks and get him moving a lot inside where he can get a catch and finish near the rim, while still posting up occasionally.
Treating him like he's the second coming of Hakeem would be detrimental to both his development and to the team offense. (I've afraid that that's exactly what we're going to try to do with him next year if we draft him). |
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| fiendishoc wrote: | | akk7 wrote: | I know most hate how this has turned into a postup vs. non-postup thread, but I have to ask, how would one incorporate Okafor into a modern day offense? Double team, kick out for threes type of deal?
Also defensively I hope he can develop into a defender. If you read Bogut's draftexpress scouting report when coming into the league, many of his defensive weaknesses are the exact same weaknesses described for Okafor.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Andrew-Bogut-70/ |
As polished an inside scorer that Okafor is, I don't think he's at the level where he's just going to back down NBA sized bigmen and score unless he gets doubled.
I'd have him set a lot of picks and get him moving a lot inside where he can get a catch and finish near the rim, while still posting up occasionally.
Treating him like he's the second coming of Hakeem would be detrimental to both his development and to the team offense. (I've afraid that that's exactly what we're going to try to do with him next year if we draft him). |
The great and underrated thing about Okafor is that he is versatile like that. He can attack from 17 feet off the dribble. He can catch a pick n roll pass farther out than most bigs and make a spin move and get to the rim. he's really skilled |
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Amongst FA Wings
Spot Up Shooting by PPP (Frequency in parentheses)
JR Smith...............1.23 (33.4%)
Marco Belinelli.......1.23 (37.1%)
Khris Middleton......1.20 (25.7%)
Danny Green.........1.19 (41.1%)
Demarre Carroll.....1.18 (34.9%)
Wesley Matthews....1.17 (30.3%)
Jimmy Butler..........1.16 (13.6%)
Gerald Green.........1.14 (19.1%)
Paul Pierce............1.10 (31.3%)
Mike Dunleavy.......1.10 (28.4%)
Kawhi Leonard.......1.08 (25.3%)
Arron Afflalo..........1.07 (26.6%)
Wesley Johnson.....1.06 (23.9%)
Jared Dudley.........1.05 (43.8%)
Luol Deng.............1.01 (26.7%)
Tobias Harris.........1.00 (25.9%)
Iman Shumpert.....0.97 (37.0%)
Jeff Green.............0.95 (24.2%)
Jae Crowder..........0.93 (33.8%)
Gerald Henderson..0.93 (20.3%)
Draymond Green...0.90 (27.9%)
Monta Ellis............0.88 (14.0%)
Al-Farouq Aminu....0.83 (30.5%)
Corey Brewer.........0.73 (28.8%)
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | Amongst FA Wings
Spot Up Shooting by PPP (Frequency in parentheses)
JR Smith...............1.23 (33.4%)
Marco Belinelli.......1.23 (37.1%)
Khris Middleton......1.20 (25.7%)
Demarre Carroll.....1.18 (34.9%)
Wesley Matthews....1.17 (30.3%)
Gerald Green.........1.14 (19.1%)
Paul Pierce............1.10 (31.3%)
Mike Dunleavy.......1.10 (28.4%)
Kawhi Leonard.......1.08 (25.3%)
Arron Afflalo..........1.07 (26.6%)
Wesley Johnson.....1.06 (23.9%)
Jared Dudley.........1.05 (43.8%)
Luol Deng.............1.01 (26.7%)
Tobias Harris.........1.00 (25.9%)
Iman Shumpert.....0.97 (37.0%)
Jeff Green.............0.95 (24.2%)
Jae Crowder..........0.93 (33.8%)
Gerald Henderson..0.93 (20.3%)
Draymond Green...0.90 (27.9%)
Al-Farouq Aminu....0.83 (30.5%) |
Danny Green not included GT? Is he considered a guard? |
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| 22 wrote: | | Danny Green not included GT? Is he considered a guard? |
I left a couple of guys out on accident. Just fixed it and Green is included. |
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| fiendishoc wrote: | | akk7 wrote: | I know most hate how this has turned into a postup vs. non-postup thread, but I have to ask, how would one incorporate Okafor into a modern day offense? Double team, kick out for threes type of deal?
Also defensively I hope he can develop into a defender. If you read Bogut's draftexpress scouting report when coming into the league, many of his defensive weaknesses are the exact same weaknesses described for Okafor.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Andrew-Bogut-70/ |
As polished an inside scorer that Okafor is, I don't think he's at the level where he's just going to back down NBA sized bigmen and score unless he gets doubled.
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I don't see why Okafor would not be able to post up NBA sized big men. He has the height, weight, length and strength to do it. He has VERY advanced footwork, especially for his age, which is the biggest factor in any post game. Randle didn't have a problem doing it... albeit in preseason... against NBA players.
I agree, we cannot count on this kid being the next Hakeem. However, he has an incredible skillset in the post, the body to make it work and a Lakers tradition of exceptional post players that will undoubtedly be there to help him grow. |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | 22 wrote: | | Danny Green not included GT? Is he considered a guard? |
I left a couple of guys out on accident. Just fixed it and Green is included. |
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 10:21 am Post subject: |
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| Belinelli is even higher than Green. Again, I wonder how much of that is just the Spurs system. Players get into an incredible rhythm when the ball moves that fluidly. |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | Amongst FA Wings
Spot Up Shooting by PPP (Frequency in parentheses)
JR Smith...............1.23 (33.4%)
Marco Belinelli.......1.23 (37.1%)
Khris Middleton......1.20 (25.7%)
Danny Green.........1.19 (41.1%)
Demarre Carroll.....1.18 (34.9%)
Wesley Matthews....1.17 (30.3%)
Jimmy Butler..........1.16 (13.6%)
Gerald Green.........1.14 (19.1%)
Paul Pierce............1.10 (31.3%)
Mike Dunleavy.......1.10 (28.4%)
Kawhi Leonard.......1.08 (25.3%)
Arron Afflalo..........1.07 (26.6%)
Wesley Johnson.....1.06 (23.9%)
Jared Dudley.........1.05 (43.8%)
Luol Deng.............1.01 (26.7%)
Tobias Harris.........1.00 (25.9%)
Iman Shumpert.....0.97 (37.0%)
Jeff Green.............0.95 (24.2%)
Jae Crowder..........0.93 (33.8%)
Gerald Henderson..0.93 (20.3%)
Draymond Green...0.90 (27.9%)
Al-Farouq Aminu....0.83 (30.5%)
Corey Brewer.........0.73 (28.8%) |
He's a knucklehead but I honestly love JR Smith as a player. Which is why the Hezonja JR Smith comparisons actually intrigue me. JR Smith with a brain and the will to dominate would be an absolute superstar. |
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| 44TheLogo wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | Amongst FA Wings
Spot Up Shooting by PPP (Frequency in parentheses)
JR Smith...............1.23 (33.4%)
Marco Belinelli.......1.23 (37.1%)
Khris Middleton......1.20 (25.7%)
Danny Green.........1.19 (41.1%)
Demarre Carroll.....1.18 (34.9%)
Wesley Matthews....1.17 (30.3%)
Jimmy Butler..........1.16 (13.6%)
Gerald Green.........1.14 (19.1%)
Paul Pierce............1.10 (31.3%)
Mike Dunleavy.......1.10 (28.4%)
Kawhi Leonard.......1.08 (25.3%)
Arron Afflalo..........1.07 (26.6%)
Wesley Johnson.....1.06 (23.9%)
Jared Dudley.........1.05 (43.8%)
Luol Deng.............1.01 (26.7%)
Tobias Harris.........1.00 (25.9%)
Iman Shumpert.....0.97 (37.0%)
Jeff Green.............0.95 (24.2%)
Jae Crowder..........0.93 (33.8%)
Gerald Henderson..0.93 (20.3%)
Draymond Green...0.90 (27.9%)
Al-Farouq Aminu....0.83 (30.5%)
Corey Brewer.........0.73 (28.8%) |
He's a knucklehead but I honestly love JR Smith as a player. Which is why the Hezonja JR Smith comparisons actually intrigue me. JR Smith with a brain and the will to dominate would be an absolute superstar. |
Which is why the excessive hate for Young is funny. He's not even close to the distraction Smith has been throughout his career, but he can fill that role. Just put him in a similar situation/system and he will flourish (last year he did well).
JR hasn't only been crucial for the Cavs in the playoffs, but he was a big piece for the during the regular season. His play with the Knicks and the Cavs was night and day. Most people point to Melo and say it was his fault, but it really wasn't. Jr was never comfortable in the triangle, Fisher, etc. Once he was allowed to play his game, he became effective again.
A nice article discussing the post-up for you guys
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/we-interrupt-this-eulogy-for-the-nba-post-up-game-to-bring-you-its-rebirth/ |
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| Huh, I don't see J.R. dribbling the varnish off the floor from 20-feet, hoisting up contested long 2's or trying to get 4 point plays. He's actually playing pretty simple and smart. |
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Towns vs. Okafor, by the numbers...
Offensive Win Shares
Jahlil Okafor...4.5
Karl Towns.....3.5
Defensive Win Shares
Karl Towns.....2.9 (10th in NCAA)
Jahlil Okafor...2.2
Total Win Shares
Jahlil Okafor...6.7
Karl Towns.....6.4
Win Shares per 40 minutes
Karl Towns... .311 (1st in NCAA)
Jahlil Okafor... .235
Offensive Box Plus/Minus (Points added per 100 possessions, normalized for teammates & competition. 0.0 is an average player)
Jahlil Okafor...+6.8
Karl Towns.....+6.5
Defensive Box Plus/Minus
Karl Towns.....+10.8
Jahlil Okafor.....+4.1
Overall Box Plus/Minus
Karl Towns.....+17.3
Jahlil Okafor...+10.9
Player Efficiency Rating (PER)
Karl Towns.....31.4 (5th in NCAA)
Jahlil Okafor...30.7 (8th in NCAA)
Offensive Rating
Karl Towns.....126.8
Jahlil Okafor...119.9
Defensive Rating
Karl Towns.....78.1 (1st in NCAA)
Jahlil Okafor...95.4
True Shooting Percentage
Jahlil Okafor...64.1%
Karl Towns.....62.7%
Offensive Rebounding Percentage
Jahlil Okafor...14.8%
Karl Towns.....14.2%
Defensive Rebounding Percentage
Karl Towns.....22.3%
Jahlil Okafor...18.2%
Total Rebounding Percentage
Karl Towns.....18.5%
Jahlil Okafor...16.6%
Assist Rate
Karl Towns.....11.6%
Jahlil Okafor.....9.4%
Block Rate
Karl Towns.....11.5%
Jahlil Okafor.....4.5%
Turnover Rate
Karl Towns.....14.2%
Jahlil Okafor...15.6%
Free Throw Rate
Karl Towns..... .523
Jahlil Okafor... .462 |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | Towns vs. Okafor, by the numbers...
Offensive Win Shares
Jahlil Okafor...4.5
Karl Towns.....3.5
Defensive Win Shares
Karl Towns.....2.9 (10th in NCAA)
Jahlil Okafor...2.2
Total Win Shares
Jahlil Okafor...6.7
Karl Towns.....6.4
Win Shares per 40 minutes
Karl Towns... .311 (1st in NCAA)
Jahlil Okafor... .235
Offensive Box Plus/Minus (Points added per 100 possessions, normalized for teammates & competition. 0.0 is an average player)
Jahlil Okafor...+6.8
Karl Towns.....+6.5
Defensive Box Plus/Minus
Karl Towns.....+10.8
Jahlil Okafor.....+4.1
Overall Box Plus/Minus
Karl Towns.....+17.3
Jahlil Okafor...+10.9
Player Efficiency Rating (PER)
Karl Towns.....31.4 (5th in NCAA)
Jahlil Okafor...30.7 (8th in NCAA)
Offensive Rating
Karl Towns.....126.8
Jahlil Okafor...119.9
Defensive Rating
Karl Towns.....78.1 (1st in NCAA)
Jahlil Okafor...95.4
True Shooting Percentage
Jahlil Okafor...64.1%
Karl Towns.....62.7%
Offensive Rebounding Percentage
Jahlil Okafor...14.8%
Karl Towns.....14.2%
Defensive Rebounding Percentage
Karl Towns.....22.3%
Jahlil Okafor...18.2%
Total Rebounding Percentage
Karl Towns.....18.5%
Jahlil Okafor...16.6%
Assist Rate
Karl Towns.....11.6%
Jahlil Okafor.....9.4%
Block Rate
Karl Towns.....11.5%
Jahlil Okafor.....4.5%
Turnover Rate
Karl Towns.....14.2%
Jahlil Okafor...15.6%
Free Throw Rate
Karl Towns..... .523
Jahlil Okafor... .462 |
Thanks GT. This should put to bed a lot of the hyperbole.
Towns still for me, while Okafor would be a nice consolation prize |
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| 22 wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | Towns vs. Okafor, by the numbers...
Offensive Win Shares
Jahlil Okafor...4.5
Karl Towns.....3.5
Defensive Win Shares
Karl Towns.....2.9 (10th in NCAA)
Jahlil Okafor...2.2
Total Win Shares
Jahlil Okafor...6.7
Karl Towns.....6.4
Win Shares per 40 minutes
Karl Towns... .311 (1st in NCAA)
Jahlil Okafor... .235
Offensive Box Plus/Minus (Points added per 100 possessions, normalized for teammates & competition. 0.0 is an average player)
Jahlil Okafor...+6.8
Karl Towns.....+6.5
Defensive Box Plus/Minus
Karl Towns.....+10.8
Jahlil Okafor.....+4.1
Overall Box Plus/Minus
Karl Towns.....+17.3
Jahlil Okafor...+10.9
Player Efficiency Rating (PER)
Karl Towns.....31.4 (5th in NCAA)
Jahlil Okafor...30.7 (8th in NCAA)
Offensive Rating
Karl Towns.....126.8
Jahlil Okafor...119.9
Defensive Rating
Karl Towns.....78.1 (1st in NCAA)
Jahlil Okafor...95.4
True Shooting Percentage
Jahlil Okafor...64.1%
Karl Towns.....62.7%
Offensive Rebounding Percentage
Jahlil Okafor...14.8%
Karl Towns.....14.2%
Defensive Rebounding Percentage
Karl Towns.....22.3%
Jahlil Okafor...18.2%
Total Rebounding Percentage
Karl Towns.....18.5%
Jahlil Okafor...16.6%
Assist Rate
Karl Towns.....11.6%
Jahlil Okafor.....9.4%
Block Rate
Karl Towns.....11.5%
Jahlil Okafor.....4.5%
Turnover Rate
Karl Towns.....14.2%
Jahlil Okafor...15.6%
Free Throw Rate
Karl Towns..... .523
Jahlil Okafor... .462 |
Thanks GT. This should put to bed a lot of the hyperbole.
Towns still for me, while Okafor would be a nice consolation prize |
I really hope this is the kind of stuff Flip Saunders disregards as he pops his NBA Jam Session tape into the VHS player. |
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| 22 wrote: | | GoldenThroat wrote: | Towns vs. Okafor, by the numbers...
Offensive Win Shares
Jahlil Okafor...4.5
Karl Towns.....3.5
Defensive Win Shares
Karl Towns.....2.9 (10th in NCAA)
Jahlil Okafor...2.2
Total Win Shares
Jahlil Okafor...6.7
Karl Towns.....6.4
Win Shares per 40 minutes
Karl Towns... .311 (1st in NCAA)
Jahlil Okafor... .235
Offensive Box Plus/Minus (Points added per 100 possessions, normalized for teammates & competition. 0.0 is an average player)
Jahlil Okafor...+6.8
Karl Towns.....+6.5
Defensive Box Plus/Minus
Karl Towns.....+10.8
Jahlil Okafor.....+4.1
Overall Box Plus/Minus
Karl Towns.....+17.3
Jahlil Okafor...+10.9
Player Efficiency Rating (PER)
Karl Towns.....31.4 (5th in NCAA)
Jahlil Okafor...30.7 (8th in NCAA)
Offensive Rating
Karl Towns.....126.8
Jahlil Okafor...119.9
Defensive Rating
Karl Towns.....78.1 (1st in NCAA)
Jahlil Okafor...95.4
True Shooting Percentage
Jahlil Okafor...64.1%
Karl Towns.....62.7%
Offensive Rebounding Percentage
Jahlil Okafor...14.8%
Karl Towns.....14.2%
Defensive Rebounding Percentage
Karl Towns.....22.3%
Jahlil Okafor...18.2%
Total Rebounding Percentage
Karl Towns.....18.5%
Jahlil Okafor...16.6%
Assist Rate
Karl Towns.....11.6%
Jahlil Okafor.....9.4%
Block Rate
Karl Towns.....11.5%
Jahlil Okafor.....4.5%
Turnover Rate
Karl Towns.....14.2%
Jahlil Okafor...15.6%
Free Throw Rate
Karl Towns..... .523
Jahlil Okafor... .462 |
Thanks GT. This should put to bed a lot of the hyperbole.
Towns still for me, while Okafor would be a nice consolation prize |
Towns certainly edges Okafor when you look at these numbers. I was all about Okafor last week, but I've come around to being equally excited to get either guy. |
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| It would be interesting to see Towns's numbers if he played 50% more minutes, was the only real big, and had Okafor's role. I favor Towns for defense and flexibility of skills, but Okafor is far more advanced offensively/ |
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| 24 wrote: | | It would be interesting to see Towns's numbers if he played 50% more minutes, was the only real big, and had Okafor's role. I favor Towns for defense and flexibility of skills, but Okafor is far more advanced offensively/ |
I think Okafor's individual offense is more advanced. I think Towns does a lot of things (outlet passing, running the court, screen setting) that helps your team score more points. And I think he'll provide some floor spacing at the next level as well, which he didn't have the chance to do in college. I don't think their overall impact on offense is that much different. |
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A very cool analysis by Nylon Calculus regarding how Calipari's prospects transfer to the pros. The main takeaways are that their rebounding and block rates stay consistent (which is true of most players), and every big man that has played under Calipari has gone on to reduce his foul rate in the NBA. This bodes well for Towns, who was foul-prone at UK.
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | It would be interesting to see Towns's numbers if he played 50% more minutes, was the only real big, and had Okafor's role. I favor Towns for defense and flexibility of skills, but Okafor is far more advanced offensively/ |
I think Okafor's individual offense is more advanced. I think Towns does a lot of things (outlet passing, running the court, screen setting) that helps your team score more points. And I think he'll provide some floor spacing at the next level as well, which he didn't have the chance to do in college. I don't think their overall impact on offense is that much different. |
No doubt Towns brings a ton to the table, and could end up being better on both sides of the ball. But Okafor brings a lot more than just post ups. His face up game and off ball cuts (with those great hands really making him a good target) mean he could be really special offensively.
Defense is the concern, but I think his biggest problem there is he's just never been used or taught much on that end. Even coach K really hid him on that end to avoid the type of foul trouble Towns experienced (and Towns was far more advanced), because Duke simply needed him on the floor. |
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| 24 wrote: | No doubt Towns brings a ton to the table, and could end up being better on both sides of the ball. But Okafor brings a lot more than just post ups. His face up game and off ball cuts (with those great hands really making him a good target) mean he could be really special offensively.
Defense is the concern, but I think his biggest problem there is he's just never been used or taught much on that end. Even coach K really hid him on that end to avoid the type of foul trouble Towns experienced (and Towns was far more advanced), because Duke simply needed him on the floor. |
That's certainly fair. And I'm especially intrigued to see what Okafor looks like 15lbs lighter, although the general public won't see much prior to the draft. You can construct a solid argument for Okafor's defensive potential, he's definitely not hopeless on that end. However, I'm pensive about the "could be" in guys, and generally take the approach that prospects will usually become better versions of what they already are.
Offensively, I don't view Okafor as strictly being a post player. His hands, agility, touch, & patience give him great PnR and weak side cutter potential. Dude finishes everything around the basket, and that has a lot of value. I don't think he's a good screen setter (fixable) and I think he's just okay as a passer. I don't think he's creates as many points for others as Towns does.
Here's my list of the Top 12 responsibilities that a big has, in order of importance. My opinion, of course. Feel free to add anything I've omitted.
1) Rim protection/pick & roll defense - Towns/Towns
2) Defensive Rebounding - Towns
3) Finishing around the rim - Okafor
4) Screen setting - Towns
5) Pick & roll offense - Towns
6) Offensive Rebounding - Okafor
7) Outlet passing - Towns
8) Running the court - Towns
9) Feel for Cutting - Tie
10) Passing in half court - Towns
11) Post Play - Okafor
12) Outside shooting - Towns |
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