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jodeke
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 Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 12:05 pm Post subject: Should Howard be suspended for game 5 of the playoffs |
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Horford was given a flagrant 2 and ejected from a playof game for THIS
Should Howard be suspended from playoff game 5 for THIS
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Eh. Even though I hate Howard, I want to see the best players on the floor. I'll say, if it was completely unprovoked, I would lean toward yes. But because Bogut instigated the contact, Howard's retaliation (irrespective of whether it was in excess or not) is less offensive to me than it would be if Bogut had done nothing. |
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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Kobe's suspension was for much less. |
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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| he should but won't, league tries to keep GS' winning margin within 50 for game 5. |
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jodeke
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Cutheon wrote: | | Eh. Even though I hate Howard, I want to see the best players on the floor. I'll say, if it was completely unprovoked, I would lean toward yes. But because Bogut instigated the contact, Howard's retaliation (irrespective of whether it was in excess or not) is less offensive to me than it would be if Bogut had done nothing. |
I want to see the best players on the floor too. I didn't want to see Horford ejected. He broke the flagrant 2 rule.
Howard intentionally hit Bogut above the shoulders with, what looked to me like a closed hand, that's a flagrant 2.
Horford was ejected for falling on Dellevedova with a elbow. What's good for the goose.
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Both players should have been ejected.
Neither player should be suspended. |
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| ringfinger wrote: | Both players should have been ejected.
Neither player should be suspended. |
If Howard had gotten ejected that would be automatic suspension because of the playoff 4points flagrant =automatic ejection rule(he already had 2points going into the game).
Here is the link on how the playoff flagrant foul rules work. |
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| cojones wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | Both players should have been ejected.
Neither player should be suspended. |
If Howard had gotten ejected that would be automatic suspension because of the playoff 4points flagrant =automatic ejection rule(he already had 2points going into the game).
Here is the link on how the playoff flagrant foul rules work. |
Yeah, but I was referring specifically to that play.
And ejectable play, but, on its own, neither are suspendable IMO. |
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Brian Windhorst ✔@WindhorstESPN
Spoke to Rod Thorn about decision not to suspend Howard. He felt contact was unnecessary but not excessive. Didn’t meet standard for upgrade
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Didn't most around here think the refs were wrong to kick Horford out of the (playoff) game? I recall most of the media talking heads saying the same. |
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| That should be a suspension. Wind up and take a full head shot and that's flagrant 2, easily. |
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| 24 wrote: | | That should be a suspension. Wind up and take a full head shot and that's flagrant 2, easily. |
From the back angle Howard hand is not closed when it landed and I think that is why the refs decided to give him a flagrant 1. |
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| cojones wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | That should be a suspension. Wind up and take a full head shot and that's flagrant 2, easily. |
From the back angle Howard hand is not closed when it landed and I think that is why the refs decided to give him a flagrant 1. |
He was going for an elbow. |
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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| cojones wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | That should be a suspension. Wind up and take a full head shot and that's flagrant 2, easily. |
From the back angle Howard hand is not closed when it landed and I think that is why the refs decided to give him a flagrant 1. |
If I understand the rule, the hand doesn't have to be closed to warrant a 2. A blow above the shoulders, a blow to the head, is reason for a 2.
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Listening to NBA Countdown. Barkley's saying the league will not change Howard's flagrant 1. He won't be suspended.
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| jodeke wrote: | | cojones wrote: | | 24 wrote: | | That should be a suspension. Wind up and take a full head shot and that's flagrant 2, easily. |
From the back angle Howard hand is not closed when it landed and I think that is why the refs decided to give him a flagrant 1. |
If I understand the rule, the hand doesn't have to be closed to warrant a 2. A blow above the shoulders, a blow to the head, is reason for a 2. |
Especially a deliberate blow. |
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Obviously yes. He tried to elbow someone in the face. Bogut's luck that it didn't hit. |
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By rule and pts system, he should be suspended. But I would much rather see him on the floor.
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| nevitt_smrek wrote: | | By rule and pts system, he should be suspended. But I would much rather see him on the floor. |
if it had been a technical he'd be suspended, if it'd been a flagrant 2, he'd be suspended, but a flagrant 1 he doesn't (odd system isn't it?). When it first happened, i thought it was a technical, i think joey gave him a flagrant 1 because he knew it too. Talk of flagrant 2 was just nonsense.
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| danzag wrote: | | Obviously yes. He tried to elbow someone in the face. Bogut's luck that it didn't hit. |
According to Dwight, Bogut was never hit. Quote from press conference: "I'm glad I didn't hit him." Really, is that so?
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| That was worse than Kobe's flailing arm against Ginobili IMO. |
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 11:21 pm Post subject: Re: Should Howard be suspended for game 5 of the playoffs |
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| jodeke wrote: | Horford was given a flagrant 2 and ejected from a playof game for THIS
Should Howard be suspended from playoff game 5 for THIS |
It wouldn't have shocked me if the refs tossed Dwight. But they didn't. And if I were the league, I wouldn't suspend him, same as they didn't suspend Horford. |
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regardless of my own personal opinion..
it was a swing to the head that connected and should be upgraded with suspension.
"instigation" is the grey area nba likes to keep vague.
If not, then these rules are obviously not meant to inact change in behaviour... just another control the league office can exert at will for it's own storytelling purposes.
i havent' seen a rule that allows for retaliation.
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| Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 9:21 am Post subject: Re: Should Howard be suspended for game 5 of the playoffs |
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| activeverb wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | Horford was given a flagrant 2 and ejected from a playof game for THIS
Should Howard be suspended from playoff game 5 for THIS |
It wouldn't have shocked me if the refs tossed Dwight. But they didn't. And if I were the league, I wouldn't suspend him, same as they didn't suspend Horford. |
They ejected Horford, I don't think he's at the limit. Had they ejected Howard it would have been double jeopardy in a sense. I'm not sure but I believe he's at the limit and another tech would be a automatic 1 game suspension
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If he gets a tech in next game he's gone for the season. Which won't make that much difference because I think the Warriors are going to close it out tonight.
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| Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 1:25 am Post subject: |
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| that Elbow from Howard to Iggy too. |
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