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lakersken80
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| Gonna be hard to tank and get the pick....pretty much all luck for the 2016 draft....just go out there and play hard and whatever happens happens. Its not like last year where we had realistic chance of keeping the pick. |
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LandsbergerRules
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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | Thunder only won 24 games in Westbrooks first year. There is going to be a lot of learning going on on the court this season. |
It's crazy how they went from 23 wins to 50 the very next season. Kind of like Portland's turnaround from 33 to 54 wins the next year. All with NO splashy all-star FA signings. Just some time for the young guys to gel and a few subtle, key roster moves.
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KobeRe-Loaded
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Look I think the rookies can win 25-30 games which would put the team at a 6th to 8th spot. May as well tank of this is what you are looking at.
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kobe_luver
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| Troublesome626 wrote: | NO!!!  |
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Lowest Merion
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| Dave20 wrote: | | They don't need to tank. We will just be too inexperienced to win more then 25 games. |
I highly doubt it. And, even presuming you're correct, 25 wins is improbable to land us in the bottom three. |
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TDRock
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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| NO DAMMIT!!!! |
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LakerMindLA
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| KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | | Look I think the rookies can win 25-30 games which would put the team at a 6th to 8th spot. May as well tank of this is what you are looking at. |
You might see even more parity next year.
As currently constructed (so this assumes we miss on the big FA's and even the 2nd tier), which teams are worse?
76ers - take a team that won 18 games, add Okafor, Stauksas, Thompson, Landry and maybe even Embiid. Noel should improve. That team probably is a 20 win team.
Knicks - won 17 games last year with Carmelo playing just 40. They have no reason to tank this year. If they add Monroe, they win more than 25 this year in the East.
Minnesota - won 16 games last year. Bring back everyone. Wiggins and Lavin will be a year better. They added Towns and now get Rubio (22 games),Shabazz (13 games) Martin (39) and Pekovic (31 games ) back. They could be a 25 to 30 win team.
Lakers - won 21 games. Add Kobe (33 games), Randle, Russell - subtract Boozer, Lin, Hill and potentially Ed Davis.
If we bring back Hill and Ed Davis, we probably win closer to 30 games next year. If we don't and sign worse players, we probably are the worst team in the NBA. |
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cojones
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| What are we the freaking 76ers? Sounding like what a losing franchise fans would be getting excited about. We got some nice good talented pieces to work with and now its time to develop them and start winning some games. |
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Captain America
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | | KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | | Look I think the rookies can win 25-30 games which would put the team at a 6th to 8th spot. May as well tank of this is what you are looking at. |
You might see even more parity next year.
As currently constructed (so this assumes we miss on the big FA's and even the 2nd tier), which teams are worse?
76ers - take a team that won 18 games, add Okafor, Stauksas, Thompson, Landry and maybe even Embiid. Noel should improve. That team probably is a 20 win team.
Knicks - won 17 games last year with Carmelo playing just 40. They have no reason to tank this year. If they add Monroe, they win more than 25 this year in the East.
Minnesota - won 16 games last year. Bring back everyone. Wiggins and Lavin will be a year better. They added Towns and now get Rubio (22 games),Shabazz (13 games) Martin (39) and Pekovic (31 games ) back. They could be a 25 to 30 win team.
Lakers - won 21 games. Add Kobe (33 games), Randle, Russell - subtract Boozer, Lin, Hill and potentially Ed Davis.
If we bring back Hill and Ed Davis, we probably win closer to 30 games next year. If we don't and sign worse players, we probably are the worst team in the NBA. |
Yea I was looking around the standings from last season, and the teams near us all got substantially better, meanwhile (assuming we just resign scrubs like Hill, Sacre and company) we have arguably gotten worse this offseason. I think we should have a good shot at getting the top 3 pick |
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cojones
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| The "build through the draft" doesn't mean tank till you all have your starting five from the lottery picks. We already got 2 now lets go and get them to instill some winning attitude. Remember when we started with the 08 season bynum, kobe, odom and everyone wasn't expecting much but making it to the playoffs but that team surprised the hell out of us. Don't start predicting like your some espn expert. |
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jdm43390
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| Gwyn wrote: | Hell naw, man.
Imagine that Philly gets our draft pick? Holy (bleep) that would make this forum explode. |
Hahaha. Yup LG peeps going to be on overreact mode/suicide alert just like today  |
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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | Thunder only won 24 games in Westbrooks first year. There is going to be a lot of learning going on on the court this season. |
Yup, but then they won 50 games on his 2nd year.
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lock this (bleep)
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jdm43390
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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | Thunder only won 24 games in Westbrooks first year. There is going to be a lot of learning going on on the court this season. |
 It's all part of the rebuild process and developing a core. Something some LG'ers are failing to see, maybe due to impatience or what idk. I'm actually intrigued with what these young guys will do. Just gotta wait and see. Still optimistic though  |
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Afrosho
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I can't do this anymore
Anyway, we have like 99% chances to lose the pick next season. Look at what happened to the Knicks with the second worst record last year...
We'd litteraly have to finish the season with the absolute WORST record in the league to have a good chance That's not happening. |
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Theseus
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| The peasants are already restless, another tank would break a lot of people's sanity |
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The Logo
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| I don't even see how it's possible to tank this year. We lost a lot of weird close games last year. Add in Randle, Russell, and possibly a healthy Kobe for a full season and we win at least seven or eight more games. If injuries are the reason why we suck next year I don't want any part of it. Getting a top three pick is a crapshoot, even if we were to finish with a bottom three record. Look at the Knicks. They thought they were insured a top three pick but they fell to four. |
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LakerMindLA
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| LandsbergerRules wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | Thunder only won 24 games in Westbrooks first year. There is going to be a lot of learning going on on the court this season. |
It's crazy how they went from 23 wins to 50 the very next season. Kind of like Portland's turnaround from 33 to 54 wins the next year. All with NO splashy all-star FA signings. Just some time for the young guys to gel and a few subtle, key roster moves. |
Except that their young guys turned out to be Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka and Harden.
They hit big-time on 4 straight picks (3 straight lotto picks).
Golden State hit on Curry, Klay, Barnes (3 lotto picks) and turned their major miss into (Udoh) into Bogut.
Lakers can't build through the draft like this because we don't have picks and the FO doesn't have the patience. |
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | | LandsbergerRules wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | Thunder only won 24 games in Westbrooks first year. There is going to be a lot of learning going on on the court this season. |
It's crazy how they went from 23 wins to 50 the very next season. Kind of like Portland's turnaround from 33 to 54 wins the next year. All with NO splashy all-star FA signings. Just some time for the young guys to gel and a few subtle, key roster moves. |
Except that their young guys turned out to be Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka and Harden.
They hit big-time on 4 straight picks (3 straight lotto picks).
Golden State hit on Curry, Klay, Barnes (3 lotto picks) and turned their major miss into (Udoh) into Bogut.
Lakers can't build through the draft like this because we don't have picks and the FO doesn't have the patience. |
We basically have 4 promising rookies coming onto the team this season, I'm including Julius since he barely got a whiff of game time. Possibly 5 if Upshaw pans out. Add to that we have 2 solid rotation rookies from last year coming into their 2nd years, more poised and ready with what's expected from them and their game, in Clarkson and Black.
That's almost half the roster... bringing back someone like Ed Davis is key. Jordan Hill will be solid if he went back to his high motor/high energy ways with his new found offense, but who knows where that is.
Wayne Ellington was solid in his time on court and he's a another solid role player for the wing.
The team isn't as in shambles as the freakout-board-wagon would have you believe. |
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The Shadow King
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No.... I supported that loser mindset once and I will not do it again.
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NastyNas_87
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| LakerMindLA wrote: | | LandsbergerRules wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | Thunder only won 24 games in Westbrooks first year. There is going to be a lot of learning going on on the court this season. |
It's crazy how they went from 23 wins to 50 the very next season. Kind of like Portland's turnaround from 33 to 54 wins the next year. All with NO splashy all-star FA signings. Just some time for the young guys to gel and a few subtle, key roster moves. |
Except that their young guys turned out to be Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka and Harden.
They hit big-time on 4 straight picks (3 straight lotto picks).
Golden State hit on Curry, Klay, Barnes (3 lotto picks) and turned their major miss into (Udoh) into Bogut.
Lakers can't build through the draft like this because we don't have picks and the FO doesn't have the patience. |
Lakers already hit on a 2nd rounder. Jordan Clarkson looks like a poor man's Russell Westbrook. Everything we've heard also says Randle will be a good player. I have all the confidence in the world in Russell.
lets wait for summer league. I have a feeling we have 3 potential stars already on our roster (Russell, Randle, Clarkson). we might be where OKC was in 2008-09 when they had a rookie Westbrook, rookie Ibaka, and 2nd year Durant. |
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| Captain America wrote: | | LakerMindLA wrote: | | KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | | Look I think the rookies can win 25-30 games which would put the team at a 6th to 8th spot. May as well tank of this is what you are looking at. |
You might see even more parity next year.
As currently constructed (so this assumes we miss on the big FA's and even the 2nd tier), which teams are worse?
76ers - take a team that won 18 games, add Okafor, Stauksas, Thompson, Landry and maybe even Embiid. Noel should improve. That team probably is a 20 win team.
Knicks - won 17 games last year with Carmelo playing just 40. They have no reason to tank this year. If they add Monroe, they win more than 25 this year in the East.
Minnesota - won 16 games last year. Bring back everyone. Wiggins and Lavin will be a year better. They added Towns and now get Rubio (22 games),Shabazz (13 games) Martin (39) and Pekovic (31 games ) back. They could be a 25 to 30 win team.
Lakers - won 21 games. Add Kobe (33 games), Randle, Russell - subtract Boozer, Lin, Hill and potentially Ed Davis.
If we bring back Hill and Ed Davis, we probably win closer to 30 games next year. If we don't and sign worse players, we probably are the worst team in the NBA. |
Yea I was looking around the standings from last season, and the teams near us all got substantially better, meanwhile (assuming we just resign scrubs like Hill, Sacre and company) we have arguably gotten worse this offseason. I think we should have a good shot at getting the top 3 pick |
I don't see how this year's team could be worse than last year's team unless we get hit hard with injuries again. |
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If Kobe plays 65+ games, randle and Russell blossom as I believe they will, Clarkson grows up just a bit more again alone, this team will win 33/34 plus....
Now if we still add a ED.Davis and or Tobias Harris ( a player that has potential "fringe" all-star at 23 next season), Upshaw actually makes it work, this team maybe a 45 win team....
I do think that Minny/Knicks/Philly will win far more than they did, all getting at or a bit more than 30 wins. Philly were 0-17 to start, went %333 the rest of the way, without okafor or Embiid, plus they will get better with Noel's continued growth Minny have a lot of players, and will improve noticeably. melo and the Knicks will be far bettter.
The team that will probably sink to the botom will be the Nuggets.
As for us, as of now, we will win more without doubt, and still have a chance of looking very promising, and this is the best bet to draw the best free agents... |
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