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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | LAKERSCMXCIX wrote: |
well according to the presses... there is undermining in the front office, constant bickering and lately high turnover.... if you find that good than that's your Opinion |
I am not sure what they has to do with the scouting department, but things have to settle themselves out, the sooner the better. I have been trying to remember the last good pick by Lester's scouting department, I guess it would be Bynum who was a solid pick. But I think the game was passing them by and the new blood has been on fire in the draft. |
Im not hating on the scouting given the circumstances... since Bynum we did the best we could given the low picks and the traded draft picks...Before Bynum the lakers could have picked Milisap instead of Farmar.. but it all worked out in the end...
Russel is the first real test of the scouting department since Lester... I hope the lakers FO are as confident as you that this kid will be the next face of the franchise... |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Goldenwest wrote: | | I'm there's some truth to that, but then everything is rosey after you win a title. |
But evidently not when you have won 5 in 15 years. |
Evidently not, he's obviously comparing his current stint with the stints in LA and Memphis. Not the same success in Memphis and perhaps there was alot of politiking and pressure in LA (maybe self imposed). From what I've read he lived and died with the lakers, that's a lot of pressure. |
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| Goldenwest wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Goldenwest wrote: | | I'm there's some truth to that, but then everything is rosey after you win a title. |
But evidently not when you have won 5 in 15 years. |
Evidently not, he's obviously comparing his current stint with the stints in LA and Memphis. Not the same success in Memphis and perhaps there was alot of politiking and pressure in LA (maybe self imposed). From what I've read he lived and died with the lakers, that's a lot of pressure. |
I don't imagine there are too many family-run businesses where dealing with heirs isn't a problem. The owner, the self-made man, is usually fine. It's his entitled bratty kids who can't be fired that make for a challenging work environment.
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| LAKERSCMXCIX wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LAKERSCMXCIX wrote: |
well according to the presses... there is undermining in the front office, constant bickering and lately high turnover.... if you find that good than that's your Opinion |
I am not sure what they has to do with the scouting department, but things have to settle themselves out, the sooner the better. I have been trying to remember the last good pick by Lester's scouting department, I guess it would be Bynum who was a solid pick. But I think the game was passing them by and the new blood has been on fire in the draft. |
Im not hating on the scouting given the circumstances... since Bynum we did the best we could given the low picks and the traded draft picks...Before Bynum the lakers could have picked Milisap instead of Farmar.. but it all worked out in the end...
Russel is the first real test of the scouting department since Lester... I hope the lakers FO are as confident as you that this kid will be the next face of the franchise... |
I have never said that I expect him to be the face of the franchise, just the best choice available when it was the Lakers turn to draft.
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| When you win everything looks beautiful but when you lose "?!!! |
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| Of course it feels the healthiest when you're not involved every single day. |
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Not surprising at all. The Buss family has always been TMZ/Jerry Springer material and Phil Jackson played a big role in West leaving by fighting with him on many occasions.
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I've always wondered why Jerry Buss let Jerry West go while keeping Mitch or did Jerry West leave on his own accord?
I strongly believe that the Buss children with all their drama and lack of maturity is destroying the Laker brand. |
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| DB8 wrote: | I've always wondered why Jerry Buss let Jerry West go while keeping Mitch or did Jerry West leave on his own accord?
I strongly believe that the Buss children with all their drama and lack of maturity is destroying the Laker brand. |
Did Phil drive him out? |
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| The Lakers have always been the epitome of the Hollywood life. Intense scrutiny and larger than life personalities. Egos bigger than Everest. Gambling. Drama. Fun, intense, and fast paced, but probably not that healthy. |
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| DB8 wrote: | I've always wondered why Jerry Buss let Jerry West go while keeping Mitch or did Jerry West leave on his own accord?
I strongly believe that the Buss children with all their drama and lack of maturity is destroying the Laker brand. |
West left on his own with health issues.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | LAKERSCMXCIX wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LAKERSCMXCIX wrote: |
well according to the presses... there is undermining in the front office, constant bickering and lately high turnover.... if you find that good than that's your Opinion |
I am not sure what they has to do with the scouting department, but things have to settle themselves out, the sooner the better. I have been trying to remember the last good pick by Lester's scouting department, I guess it would be Bynum who was a solid pick. But I think the game was passing them by and the new blood has been on fire in the draft. |
Im not hating on the scouting given the circumstances... since Bynum we did the best we could given the low picks and the traded draft picks...Before Bynum the lakers could have picked Milisap instead of Farmar.. but it all worked out in the end...
Russel is the first real test of the scouting department since Lester... I hope the lakers FO are as confident as you that this kid will be the next face of the franchise... |
I have never said that I expect him to be the face of the franchise, just the best choice available when it was the Lakers turn to draft. |
wait a minute.... he is the best choice? or the most logical choice? How are you rating Russell over Okafor? is it possible that the FO made the most logical choice of picking a guard knowing the plethora of free agent big men that were available in the free agency? Just admit that they put all their eggs in one basket in trying to acquire a big man in free agency and failed miserably
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | DB8 wrote: | I've always wondered why Jerry Buss let Jerry West go while keeping Mitch or did Jerry West leave on his own accord?
I strongly believe that the Buss children with all their drama and lack of maturity is destroying the Laker brand. |
West left on his own with health issues. |
he left on his own with health issues to join memphis?
were they short term health issues? |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | DB8 wrote: | I've always wondered why Jerry Buss let Jerry West go while keeping Mitch or did Jerry West leave on his own accord?
I strongly believe that the Buss children with all their drama and lack of maturity is destroying the Laker brand. |
West left on his own with health issues. |
Yeah keep telling yourself that 
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West left because he didn't feel appreciated. Right now, he has the best of both worlds. He does not have the daily grind of a GM role but everyone always talks about his magic touch with the organization. He gets credit for the resume he built with the Lakers without putting himself out there for the Warriors. If they do poorly, well Jerry West wasn't really running things so it's not his fault. If they do well, then it was West's magic touch.
That is as healthy as it gets...no responsability and yet much of the credit. Nice retirement gig.. |
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| 67ShelbyGT wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | DB8 wrote: | I've always wondered why Jerry Buss let Jerry West go while keeping Mitch or did Jerry West leave on his own accord?
I strongly believe that the Buss children with all their drama and lack of maturity is destroying the Laker brand. |
West left on his own with health issues. |
Yeah keep telling yourself that |
It's partially true. Jerry West suffers from depression. To him the Grizzlies was a less stressful job since they had never won before and there was no expectations. He quit the Grizzlies when he felt that they stopped listening to him. |
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Didn't he threaten to quit just last year over the proposed Thompson Love trade?
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| LakersFanESS wrote: | West left because he didn't feel appreciated. Right now, he has the best of both worlds. He does not have the daily grind of a GM role but everyone always talks about his magic touch with the organization. He gets credit for the resume he built with the Lakers without putting himself out there for the Warriors. If they do poorly, well Jerry West wasn't really running things so it's not his fault. If they do well, then it was West's magic touch.
That is as healthy as it gets...no responsability and yet much of the credit. Nice retirement gig.. |
Best take on the situation.
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| hoopschick29 wrote: | | Goldenwest wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Goldenwest wrote: | | I'm there's some truth to that, but then everything is rosey after you win a title. |
But evidently not when you have won 5 in 15 years. |
Evidently not, he's obviously comparing his current stint with the stints in LA and Memphis. Not the same success in Memphis and perhaps there was alot of politiking and pressure in LA (maybe self imposed). From what I've read he lived and died with the lakers, that's a lot of pressure. |
I don't imagine there are too many family-run businesses where dealing with heirs isn't a problem. The owner, the self-made man, is usually fine. It's his entitled bratty kids who can't be fired that make for a challenging work environment. |
Jerry left the Lakers in 2002, right after our threepeat. Back then Jeanie and Jim didn't seem like much of a presence in the organization, so I doubt Jerry's issues with the organization are related to them. By all accounts, his issues were with Phil and not being compensated enough.
Long before most fans even knew the name Jim Buss, the Lakers were always a highly political, back-sniping organization. |
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| LAKERSCMXCIX wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LAKERSCMXCIX wrote: | from the LIN thread I found this....this is terrible
| Quote: | Here's the prescription for Jim and Jeanie: Take a deep breath. Squash your beefs. Hire a top basketball mind to make the expert decisions, rehire the scouting staff that Jim unceremoniously dumped when he took over, and give the organization a real chance to reclaim its former glory.
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I find your hate toward the Lakers from a supposed Laker fan baffling, but sometimes whiners have to do what they do. What is terrible is your inability to understand how successful the Laker scouting department has been the past 3-4 seasons. Totally pathetic effort on your part. But that is what we have come to expect. |
whats your problem? I never blamed the scouting department Im actually excited with the squad we have given the circumstances I have supported Jim Buss and Kupchak since they took over the team except when it came to hiring coaches. sure sometimes I dive into the HAte jim buss meme that goes on with LG but that is all in good fun.
I happen to post the little piece of how Jim Buss fired the entire scouting department the same department that gave the Lakers so much success over 25 years... I thought that was terrible..... didn't he do the same thing with our strength and conditioning coaches as well?....
maybe it's a reading comprehension with you...I dunno
ive noticed in all your whoring posts is that when someone disagrees with your logic you become an ass. |
in the end, we are still supporting the same franchise. |
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| Eh, let Jerry enjoy himself. His team just won a championship so he's entitled to gloat a little. Given some of his depression issues in the past, it's good to know that he's having some fun. I don't think this is a jab at us, Jerry is a Laker at heart regardless. I wish he was still apart of the team like everybody else, but as much as I liked him, I LOVED Chick and he's not here either. It's just a new day for the Lakers and we have to accept it. The Glory Days could be over for awhile, but at least I have my memories, and nobody can take that away! |
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hoopschick29
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| activeverb wrote: | | hoopschick29 wrote: | | Goldenwest wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | Goldenwest wrote: | | I'm there's some truth to that, but then everything is rosey after you win a title. |
But evidently not when you have won 5 in 15 years. |
Evidently not, he's obviously comparing his current stint with the stints in LA and Memphis. Not the same success in Memphis and perhaps there was alot of politiking and pressure in LA (maybe self imposed). From what I've read he lived and died with the lakers, that's a lot of pressure. |
I don't imagine there are too many family-run businesses where dealing with heirs isn't a problem. The owner, the self-made man, is usually fine. It's his entitled bratty kids who can't be fired that make for a challenging work environment. |
Jerry left the Lakers in 2002, right after our threepeat. Back then Jeanie and Jim didn't seem like much of a presence in the organization, so I doubt Jerry's issues with the organization are related to them. By all accounts, his issues were with Phil and not being compensated enough.
Long before most fans even knew the name Jim Buss, the Lakers were always a highly political, back-sniping organization. |
West actually left in 2000. The bratty heirs have been more of a struggle for Mitch than with West. But you are right, his issues were more with his lack of compensation, Phil's overcompensation, Phil banging the owner's daughter, and Phil trying to bogard his way into personell decisions via banging the owner's daughter.
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| LAKERSCMXCIX wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LAKERSCMXCIX wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LAKERSCMXCIX wrote: |
well according to the presses... there is undermining in the front office, constant bickering and lately high turnover.... if you find that good than that's your Opinion |
I am not sure what they has to do with the scouting department, but things have to settle themselves out, the sooner the better. I have been trying to remember the last good pick by Lester's scouting department, I guess it would be Bynum who was a solid pick. But I think the game was passing them by and the new blood has been on fire in the draft. |
Im not hating on the scouting given the circumstances... since Bynum we did the best we could given the low picks and the traded draft picks...Before Bynum the lakers could have picked Milisap instead of Farmar.. but it all worked out in the end...
Russel is the first real test of the scouting department since Lester... I hope the lakers FO are as confident as you that this kid will be the next face of the franchise... |
I have never said that I expect him to be the face of the franchise, just the best choice available when it was the Lakers turn to draft. |
wait a minute.... he is the best choice? or the most logical choice? How are you rating Russell over Okafor? is it possible that the FO made the most logical choice of picking a guard knowing the plethora of free agent big men that were available in the free agency? Just admit that they put all their eggs in one basket in trying to acquire a big man in free agency and failed miserably |
Is it possible they made the best choice which also happens to be the logical choice?
It's not like they reached to get dlo. He was a consensus top 3 pick. Who knows who will pan out to be better right now but DLo does seem to have the better mindset. |
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I don't begrudge Jerry an ounce of happiness, if he's actually found it. Good for him.
It must be a wonderful situation at GS, as I had the feeling that he had been fairly satisfied as a Laker GM with Jerry Buss for many years. |
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