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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:38 am    Post subject: Larry Brown

Why does a college even bother hiring this guy?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:42 am    Post subject: Re: Larry Brown

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Why does a college even bother hiring this guy?


You mean there are places he hasn't already coached at?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:50 am    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 5:26 am    Post subject:

Because his track record is proven both ways.

9/10 times he helps the program, he helps the players improve and the team gets results.

But 10/10 times it comes with drama, it comes with sort of chaos.

The net result usually is a wash at best. But in the short term, immediate, even in the NBA, Larry seemed to get his teams to improve right away.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 8:29 am    Post subject:

He's one of the greatest coaches of all-time.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:02 am    Post subject:

Though he's a rule-breaker and an oddball insecure nightmare, Larry's got an incredible mind for basketball. He's very creative at maximizing talent.

Take how he managed to get the Kiki Vandeweghe UCLA Bruins into the NCAA title game. He had crap for guards. He put a pair of micro centers in there (6'7" James Wilkes and 6'6" Mike Sanders) to make driving room for Vandeweghe. The tactics very nearly brought UCLA another national championship. Probably one of the least talented laden championship game participants in my lifetime.

Wilkes went on to be a very minor NBA small forward and Sanders a decent NBA swingman (off guard and SF). Incredible what Larry Brown saw possible in them.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:30 am    Post subject: Re: Larry Brown

venturalakersfan wrote:
Why does a college even bother hiring this guy?


He's a great coach who can take a mediocre program and turn it into a contender fast -- so if you are a college, you know Brown will create a basketball team that will make alumni happy, bring in lots of money, and get you national exposure.

The downside, of course, is that after the success you find that Brown has left sooner than expected and your team is suspension. But there will always be colleges that take the huge reward/huge risk gamble.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:04 pm    Post subject:

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Though he's a rule-breaker and an oddball insecure nightmare, Larry's got an incredible mind for basketball. He's very creative at maximizing talent.

Take how he managed to get the Kiki Vandeweghe UCLA Bruins into the NCAA title game. He had crap for guards. He put a pair of micro centers in there (6'7" James Wilkes and 6'6" Mike Sanders) to make driving room for Vandeweghe. The tactics very nearly brought UCLA another national championship. Probably one of the least talented laden championship game participants in my lifetime.

Wilkes went on to be a very minor NBA small forward and Sanders a decent NBA swingman (off guard and SF). Incredible what Larry Brown saw possible in them.


I wouldn't exactly call 18 ppg on .500 shooting over a dozen years, with 3 all star appearances, three rings with two different teams, 2 all defense teams, and a rookie of the year award minor.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:18 pm    Post subject:

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70sdude wrote:
Though he's a rule-breaker and an oddball insecure nightmare, Larry's got an incredible mind for basketball. He's very creative at maximizing talent.

Take how he managed to get the Kiki Vandeweghe UCLA Bruins into the NCAA title game. He had crap for guards. He put a pair of micro centers in there (6'7" James Wilkes and 6'6" Mike Sanders) to make driving room for Vandeweghe. The tactics very nearly brought UCLA another national championship. Probably one of the least talented laden championship game participants in my lifetime.

Wilkes went on to be a very minor NBA small forward and Sanders a decent NBA swingman (off guard and SF). Incredible what Larry Brown saw possible in them.


I wouldn't exactly call 18 ppg on .500 shooting over a dozen years, with 3 all star appearances, three rings with two different teams, 2 all defense teams, and a rookie of the year award minor.


Of course not, but you've researched a different player. What Laker fan could actually mistake the pro career of former UCLA Bruin Jamaal Wilkes (your citation) for the player on Vandeweghe's UCLA team that I referred to (James Wilkes).
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:31 pm    Post subject:

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70sdude wrote:
Though he's a rule-breaker and an oddball insecure nightmare, Larry's got an incredible mind for basketball. He's very creative at maximizing talent.

Take how he managed to get the Kiki Vandeweghe UCLA Bruins into the NCAA title game. He had crap for guards. He put a pair of micro centers in there (6'7" James Wilkes and 6'6" Mike Sanders) to make driving room for Vandeweghe. The tactics very nearly brought UCLA another national championship. Probably one of the least talented laden championship game participants in my lifetime.

Wilkes went on to be a very minor NBA small forward and Sanders a decent NBA swingman (off guard and SF). Incredible what Larry Brown saw possible in them.


I wouldn't exactly call 18 ppg on .500 shooting over a dozen years, with 3 all star appearances, three rings with two different teams, 2 all defense teams, and a rookie of the year award minor.


Of course not, but you've researched a different player. What Laker fan could actually mistake the pro career of former UCLA Bruin Jamaal Wilkes (your citation) for the player on Vandeweghe's UCLA team that I referred to (James Wilkes).


Well duh. Ihate it when I have senior moments, especially when in a discussion with older guys!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:39 pm    Post subject:

wolfpaclaker wrote:
Because his track record is proven both ways.

9/10 times he helps the program, he helps the players improve and the team gets results.

But 10/10 times it comes with drama, it comes with sort of chaos.

The net result usually is a wash at best. But in the short term, immediate, even in the NBA, Larry seemed to get his teams to improve right away.


Bingo.

Not to mention a team like SMU wants/needs a big name to get itself some national attention, recruiting and media coverage-wise.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:07 pm    Post subject:

24 wrote:
70sdude wrote:
24 wrote:
70sdude wrote:
Though he's a rule-breaker and an oddball insecure nightmare, Larry's got an incredible mind for basketball. He's very creative at maximizing talent.

Take how he managed to get the Kiki Vandeweghe UCLA Bruins into the NCAA title game. He had crap for guards. He put a pair of micro centers in there (6'7" James Wilkes and 6'6" Mike Sanders) to make driving room for Vandeweghe. The tactics very nearly brought UCLA another national championship. Probably one of the least talented laden championship game participants in my lifetime.

Wilkes went on to be a very minor NBA small forward and Sanders a decent NBA swingman (off guard and SF). Incredible what Larry Brown saw possible in them.


I wouldn't exactly call 18 ppg on .500 shooting over a dozen years, with 3 all star appearances, three rings with two different teams, 2 all defense teams, and a rookie of the year award minor.


Of course not, but you've researched a different player. What Laker fan could actually mistake the pro career of former UCLA Bruin Jamaal Wilkes (your citation) for the player on Vandeweghe's UCLA team that I referred to (James Wilkes).


Well duh. Ihate it when I have senior moments, especially when in a discussion with older guys!


Sometimer's Disease I call it, and it happens, ahem, with increasing frequency I'm afraid to share.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:23 pm    Post subject:

24 wrote:
70sdude wrote:
Though he's a rule-breaker and an oddball insecure nightmare, Larry's got an incredible mind for basketball. He's very creative at maximizing talent.

Take how he managed to get the Kiki Vandeweghe UCLA Bruins into the NCAA title game. He had crap for guards. He put a pair of micro centers in there (6'7" James Wilkes and 6'6" Mike Sanders) to make driving room for Vandeweghe. The tactics very nearly brought UCLA another national championship. Probably one of the least talented laden championship game participants in my lifetime.

Wilkes went on to be a very minor NBA small forward and Sanders a decent NBA swingman (off guard and SF). Incredible what Larry Brown saw possible in them.


I wouldn't exactly call 18 ppg on .500 shooting over a dozen years, with 3 all star appearances, three rings with two different teams, 2 all defense teams, and a rookie of the year award minor.


UCLA Wilkes too much.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 8:05 am    Post subject:

i've never been impressed by larry brown in the nba. but i don't follow him too closely. maybe he's brilliant, i don't see it.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 8:49 am    Post subject:

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24 wrote:
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Though he's a rule-breaker and an oddball insecure nightmare, Larry's got an incredible mind for basketball. He's very creative at maximizing talent.

Take how he managed to get the Kiki Vandeweghe UCLA Bruins into the NCAA title game. He had crap for guards. He put a pair of micro centers in there (6'7" James Wilkes and 6'6" Mike Sanders) to make driving room for Vandeweghe. The tactics very nearly brought UCLA another national championship. Probably one of the least talented laden championship game participants in my lifetime.

Wilkes went on to be a very minor NBA small forward and Sanders a decent NBA swingman (off guard and SF). Incredible what Larry Brown saw possible in them.


I wouldn't exactly call 18 ppg on .500 shooting over a dozen years, with 3 all star appearances, three rings with two different teams, 2 all defense teams, and a rookie of the year award minor.


Of course not, but you've researched a different player. What Laker fan could actually mistake the pro career of former UCLA Bruin Jamaal Wilkes (your citation) for the player on Vandeweghe's UCLA team that I referred to (James Wilkes).


Well duh. Ihate it when I have senior moments, especially when in a discussion with older guys!


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 8:50 am    Post subject:

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wolfpaclaker wrote:
Because his track record is proven both ways.

9/10 times he helps the program, he helps the players improve and the team gets results.

But 10/10 times it comes with drama, it comes with sort of chaos.

The net result usually is a wash at best. But in the short term, immediate, even in the NBA, Larry seemed to get his teams to improve right away.


Bingo.

Not to mention a team like SMU wants/needs a big name to get itself some national attention, recruiting and media coverage-wise.


They certainly have national attention.
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i've never been impressed by larry brown in the nba. but i don't follow him too closely. maybe he's brilliant, i don't see it.


He did win that NBA championship in Detroit when the Pistons crushed a wobbling Laker cast under Phil Jackson's lead, in 2004. He also made The Finals two other times with the Piston in the same five year window, those other two with almost entirely different rosters. He can coach 'em up, but he's unstable - drives his players and bosses absolutely nuts.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:36 pm    Post subject:

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Larry Brown, slow down.

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