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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2015 10:03 pm    Post subject:

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The elbow pin downs seem to be a staple, but if that doesn't free up a shooter, then they move to the p-n-r.

To say that our offense lacks imagination is an understatement. And for those saying it's only preseason, the last preseason and regular season looked awfully similar.

If you're looking for an offense with a spread floor and constant ball movement, you won't find it here....see Spurs, Warriors, etc.,
and who did we have running the show? who were these stellar pg's to run these pick n roll sets? who were these stellar bigs that made teams afraid to let them roll or pop out?

you guys keep reaching for everything but the obvious. THE PLAYERS. not analytics. THE PLAYERS, not coaching. THE PLAYERS. GET BETTER PLAYERS. then we can talk about if the coach sucks or not.

now you can say "but we have better players now?" really. i see a bunch of a kids and a bunch of new guys. kobe hasnt shown a thing since he's super rusty.

the 2nd team looked much better than the first. why? because the first team was full of kids, one old man that was super rusty post injury recovery.

and a brand new big to this team.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2015 10:35 pm    Post subject:

^That argument doesn't really fly because he could have them playing 3 on 5 on offense and 4 on 5 on defense, and you could still say the same thing about getting better players. At some point you're going to have to come up with some specific things that he actually does better than other coaches, if you're going to convince anyone.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 2:41 am    Post subject:

People underestimate coaching importance big time. The Hawks would be a borderline playoff team last year without their great coach, this year we could be a borderline playoff team, instead we'll be looking at the upcoming draft by the december. Thats Byron Scott and his 80's brand of ball ladies and gentlemans.

I repeat : With Byron Scott as our coach, we'll have tank threads by December, the latest
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 5:07 am    Post subject:

Hopefully this game we see a lot of

Upshaw
Nance
Holmes.


I think they have a great chance of making the team and their defense will be spectacular
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 5:48 am    Post subject:

Fruscas wrote:
People underestimate coaching importance big time. The Hawks would be a borderline playoff team last year without their great coach, this year we could be a borderline playoff team, instead we'll be looking at the upcoming draft by the december. Thats Byron Scott and his 80's brand of ball ladies and gentlemans.

I repeat : With Byron Scott as our coach, we'll have tank threads by December, the latest


Atlanta is kinda an apples and oranges comparison.
It's not fair to say we'd make the playoffs if we had Budenholzen coaching us.
Partly because our roster doesn't have the same strengths Atlanta's does.
But mainly because Atlanta plays in the Weakstern conference. And we play in the big boy conference.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 6:51 am    Post subject:

kikanga wrote:
Fruscas wrote:
People underestimate coaching importance big time. The Hawks would be a borderline playoff team last year without their great coach, this year we could be a borderline playoff team, instead we'll be looking at the upcoming draft by the december. Thats Byron Scott and his 80's brand of ball ladies and gentlemans.

I repeat : With Byron Scott as our coach, we'll have tank threads by December, the latest


Atlanta is kinda an apples and oranges comparison.
It's not fair to say we'd make the playoffs if we had Budenholzen coaching us.
Partly because our roster doesn't have the same strengths Atlanta's does.
But mainly because Atlanta plays in the Weakstern conference. And we play in the big boy conference.


Atlanta was 22-8 against Western Conference teams with wins over the Warriors, Rockets, Clippers, and Grizz. It helps to be in the East but they won 60 freaking games and it's not like they struggled against the West.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 7:33 am    Post subject:

This thread is not OFFICIAL
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 7:40 am    Post subject:

Chronicle wrote:
Run down shot clock and let Sacre iso !


Sadly I saw more of that than our prized rookie PG initiates offense in the first preseason game
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:26 am    Post subject:

ocho wrote:
kikanga wrote:
Fruscas wrote:
People underestimate coaching importance big time. The Hawks would be a borderline playoff team last year without their great coach, this year we could be a borderline playoff team, instead we'll be looking at the upcoming draft by the december. Thats Byron Scott and his 80's brand of ball ladies and gentlemans.

I repeat : With Byron Scott as our coach, we'll have tank threads by December, the latest


Atlanta is kinda an apples and oranges comparison.
It's not fair to say we'd make the playoffs if we had Budenholzen coaching us.
Partly because our roster doesn't have the same strengths Atlanta's does.
But mainly because Atlanta plays in the Weakstern conference. And we play in the big boy conference.


Atlanta was 22-8 against Western Conference teams with wins over the Warriors, Rockets, Clippers, and Grizz. It helps to be in the East but they won 60 freaking games and it's not like they struggled against the West.


Yup, and furthermore, no one was saying ATL had a strong roster before the season started last year.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:52 am    Post subject:

ocho wrote:
kikanga wrote:
Fruscas wrote:
People underestimate coaching importance big time. The Hawks would be a borderline playoff team last year without their great coach, this year we could be a borderline playoff team, instead we'll be looking at the upcoming draft by the december. Thats Byron Scott and his 80's brand of ball ladies and gentlemans.

I repeat : With Byron Scott as our coach, we'll have tank threads by December, the latest


Atlanta is kinda an apples and oranges comparison.
It's not fair to say we'd make the playoffs if we had Budenholzen coaching us.
Partly because our roster doesn't have the same strengths Atlanta's does.
But mainly because Atlanta plays in the Weakstern conference. And we play in the big boy conference.


Atlanta was 22-8 against Western Conference teams with wins over the Warriors, Rockets, Clippers, and Grizz. It helps to be in the East but they won 60 freaking games and it's not like they struggled against the West.


I'd be willing to bet on 8-10 more wins with Bud coaching.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:32 am    Post subject:

24 wrote:
ocho wrote:
kikanga wrote:
Fruscas wrote:
People underestimate coaching importance big time. The Hawks would be a borderline playoff team last year without their great coach, this year we could be a borderline playoff team, instead we'll be looking at the upcoming draft by the december. Thats Byron Scott and his 80's brand of ball ladies and gentlemans.

I repeat : With Byron Scott as our coach, we'll have tank threads by December, the latest


Atlanta is kinda an apples and oranges comparison.
It's not fair to say we'd make the playoffs if we had Budenholzen coaching us.
Partly because our roster doesn't have the same strengths Atlanta's does.
But mainly because Atlanta plays in the Weakstern conference. And we play in the big boy conference.


Atlanta was 22-8 against Western Conference teams with wins over the Warriors, Rockets, Clippers, and Grizz. It helps to be in the East but they won 60 freaking games and it's not like they struggled against the West.


I'd be willing to bet on 8-10 more wins with Bud coaching.


How would Kobe Bryant and Julius Randle fit into Bud's offense?
And how would it compare to what you've seen in Byron's offense in preseason?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:26 am    Post subject:

hoopla wrote:
fan4life wrote:
The elbow pin downs seem to be a staple, but if that doesn't free up a shooter, then they move to the p-n-r.

To say that our offense lacks imagination is an understatement. And for those saying it's only preseason, the last preseason and regular season looked awfully similar.

If you're looking for an offense with a spread floor and constant ball movement, you won't find it here....see Spurs, Warriors, etc.,
and who did we have running the show? who were these stellar pg's to run these pick n roll sets? who were these stellar bigs that made teams afraid to let them roll or pop out?

you guys keep reaching for everything but the obvious. THE PLAYERS. not analytics. THE PLAYERS, not coaching. THE PLAYERS. GET BETTER PLAYERS. then we can talk about if the coach sucks or not.

now you can say "but we have better players now?" really. i see a bunch of a kids and a bunch of new guys. kobe hasnt shown a thing since he's super rusty.

the 2nd team looked much better than the first. why? because the first team was full of kids, one old man that was super rusty post injury recovery.

and a brand new big to this team.


Actually, Jeremy Lin was a pretty good PnR player (remember his chemistry with Ed Davis) and is doing pretty well in the 2 preseason games with Charlotte. Although you're right, none of the bigs could really hit that mid range. Hill tried but mostly failed and Booze did his thing. Sorry to bring him up but he and the Lakers weren't meant for each other.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:06 am    Post subject:

kikanga wrote:
24 wrote:
ocho wrote:
kikanga wrote:
Fruscas wrote:
People underestimate coaching importance big time. The Hawks would be a borderline playoff team last year without their great coach, this year we could be a borderline playoff team, instead we'll be looking at the upcoming draft by the december. Thats Byron Scott and his 80's brand of ball ladies and gentlemans.

I repeat : With Byron Scott as our coach, we'll have tank threads by December, the latest


Atlanta is kinda an apples and oranges comparison.
It's not fair to say we'd make the playoffs if we had Budenholzen coaching us.
Partly because our roster doesn't have the same strengths Atlanta's does.
But mainly because Atlanta plays in the Weakstern conference. And we play in the big boy conference.


Atlanta was 22-8 against Western Conference teams with wins over the Warriors, Rockets, Clippers, and Grizz. It helps to be in the East but they won 60 freaking games and it's not like they struggled against the West.


I'd be willing to bet on 8-10 more wins with Bud coaching.


How would Kobe Bryant and Julius Randle fit into Bud's offense?
And how would it compare to what you've seen in Byron's offense in preseason?


Both guys would be pretty well suited to it, especially out of motion weak/motion strong sets that Atlanta (and the Spurs) use to initiate things.

The biggest difference is that these schemes bring the ball up and quickly get it into read and react situations through multiple players before you ever get to the "main" action. Motion weak puts the ball into 3 sets of hands very quickly ( the strong side guard/wing, trailing big, and then the prime intiator in motion weak, for example), with cuts, screens, and responsibilities for every player, and multiple points of attack. Plus, it sets the floor spacing beautifully. Scott tends to have them run very person specific Princeton set designed to get the ball to a spot, not to flow through a bunch of options.
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