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| jonnybravo wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | jonnybravo wrote: | Alrite Arrieta. You need to keep this up against the Cards.
Man this dude is dealing. 3 runs in last 70 innings. Da fuq? |
Problem is if he's that hot he'll be a problem for the teams in the Cubs path. Lets just hope the Cubs don't have that 2nd pitcher that is as dominant or they can be like the 2001 D'Backs. |
True but as a fan I'd just rather the Dodgers face anyone but the Cards. As far as the 2nd pitcher, I think Lester can be that guy. He's had to deep runs where he was pretty lights out so he's definitely proven to be a big game guy. |
I still wanna see us beat the Cards just to get that monkey off our back.
Lester is definitely a postseason threat. His postseason ERA is nearly a full run lower than regular season and that's including the dumpster fire of a season the A's had last year.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | | Congrats to Arrieta, he just locked up the Cy Young w/his performance against the Pirates. Sorry Zack |
I assume voters have already made their picks.
Oops, didn't see this was already addressed. |
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| DuncanIdaho wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | There is another number he put up that might just explain why HE did so well, numbers wise, yet his team dropped 13 games.
Out of 329 players in the NL, Harper came in 329th with a -2.59* or dead last!
According to FanGraphs, -2.0 is "awful." I wonder what -2.59 is.
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=np&stats=bat&lg=nl&qual=0&type=c,4,6,11,12,13,21,-1,34,35,40,41,-1,23,37,38,50,61,-1,111,-1,203,199,58,71,67&season=2015&month=0&season1=2015&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&;sort=22,d&page=11_30
Also, since the Hank Aaron award is rather new, it doesn't have the prestige, yet. I think it is time to change the voting to the writers and/or players and to make a much bigger deal of it.
As I've said and have many, many others, I don't know how you can be valuable when your team comes in last or your team comes in second place when it would probably come in second place without you. |
It's an individual award, not a team award. You can't use team performance for MVP, just like you don't for CY. Especially in baseball, where there are so many players compared to the NBA, each player has a much smaller effect. It's the same reason pitcher wins are a poor measure of a pitcher's skill.
Tell me this: In a hypothetical world in which Harper replaced one of the non-Trout Angels outfielders, thus pushing them into the playoffs, would that make him more valuable? It shouldn't. His numbers are what they are no matter the context. That's how the award has been voted traditionally. |
One name: Kirk Gibson. And just off the top of my head, Jimmy Rollins.
Also, as the award clearly states what the award is, most valuable player, it is not the most valuable to the individual, is it? It is most valuable to the team.
And I still don't know how the very worst clutch hitter can be the most valuable.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:57 am Post subject: |
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| i have Directv, will the Dodger playoff games on TBS be blackout since i'm in los angeles area? i notice all the regular season Dodger games on TBS were blacked out, but i hope they do playoffs differently |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:49 am Post subject: |
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| ribeye wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | There is another number he put up that might just explain why HE did so well, numbers wise, yet his team dropped 13 games.
Out of 329 players in the NL, Harper came in 329th with a -2.59* or dead last!
According to FanGraphs, -2.0 is "awful." I wonder what -2.59 is.
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=np&stats=bat&lg=nl&qual=0&type=c,4,6,11,12,13,21,-1,34,35,40,41,-1,23,37,38,50,61,-1,111,-1,203,199,58,71,67&season=2015&month=0&season1=2015&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&;sort=22,d&page=11_30
Also, since the Hank Aaron award is rather new, it doesn't have the prestige, yet. I think it is time to change the voting to the writers and/or players and to make a much bigger deal of it.
As I've said and have many, many others, I don't know how you can be valuable when your team comes in last or your team comes in second place when it would probably come in second place without you. |
It's an individual award, not a team award. You can't use team performance for MVP, just like you don't for CY. Especially in baseball, where there are so many players compared to the NBA, each player has a much smaller effect. It's the same reason pitcher wins are a poor measure of a pitcher's skill.
Tell me this: In a hypothetical world in which Harper replaced one of the non-Trout Angels outfielders, thus pushing them into the playoffs, would that make him more valuable? It shouldn't. His numbers are what they are no matter the context. That's how the award has been voted traditionally. |
One name: Kirk Gibson. And just off the top of my head, Jimmy Rollins.
Also, as the award clearly states what the award is, most valuable player, it is not the most valuable to the individual, is it? It is most valuable to the team.
And I still don't know how the very worst clutch hitter can be the most valuable. |
Maybe because he's so awesome regularly that clutch hits aren't needed to win? Clutch isn't the best measure of a player's value. Do you think Kershaw isn't valuable to to Dodgers because he had some bad luck against the Cards in the playoffs? |
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| Quote: | LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Yasiel Puig said Wednesday he's on the playoff roster for the Los Angeles Dodgers, who haven't revealed their 25-man squad for the upcoming NL Division Series.
Manager Don Mattingly said players were informed of their status for the best-of-five series against the New York Mets beginning Friday at Dodger Stadium. However, the team will wait until the roster is due that morning to announce it. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:19 am Post subject: |
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| DuncanIdaho wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | There is another number he put up that might just explain why HE did so well, numbers wise, yet his team dropped 13 games.
Out of 329 players in the NL, Harper came in 329th with a -2.59* or dead last!
According to FanGraphs, -2.0 is "awful." I wonder what -2.59 is.
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=np&stats=bat&lg=nl&qual=0&type=c,4,6,11,12,13,21,-1,34,35,40,41,-1,23,37,38,50,61,-1,111,-1,203,199,58,71,67&season=2015&month=0&season1=2015&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&;sort=22,d&page=11_30
Also, since the Hank Aaron award is rather new, it doesn't have the prestige, yet. I think it is time to change the voting to the writers and/or players and to make a much bigger deal of it.
As I've said and have many, many others, I don't know how you can be valuable when your team comes in last or your team comes in second place when it would probably come in second place without you. |
It's an individual award, not a team award. You can't use team performance for MVP, just like you don't for CY. Especially in baseball, where there are so many players compared to the NBA, each player has a much smaller effect. It's the same reason pitcher wins are a poor measure of a pitcher's skill.
Tell me this: In a hypothetical world in which Harper replaced one of the non-Trout Angels outfielders, thus pushing them into the playoffs, would that make him more valuable? It shouldn't. His numbers are what they are no matter the context. That's how the award has been voted traditionally. |
One name: Kirk Gibson. And just off the top of my head, Jimmy Rollins.
Also, as the award clearly states what the award is, most valuable player, it is not the most valuable to the individual, is it? It is most valuable to the team.
And I still don't know how the very worst clutch hitter can be the most valuable. |
Maybe because he's so awesome regularly that clutch hits aren't needed to win? Clutch isn't the best measure of a player's value. Do you think Kershaw isn't valuable to to Dodgers because he had some bad luck against the Cards in the playoffs? |
First, he was so awesome that despite a good pitching staff, his team was all of 4 games over .500 in the weakest division in the league. Without him, they still come in second place, likely.
As for clutch hits, think back to last years Dodgers (leaving the bases loaded), and even this year to a lesser extent. You don't think clutch hitting matters??? I am old school. You move runners, hit to the right side, sacrifice, get the ball in the air with a guy on third and all that. Getting a double can mean less than a ground out to third. A grand slam home run when you're up by six or so, means less than a fly ball with a runnner at third with less than two outs, in a tie game. The game is totally situational and some guys step up and others don't. It appears, Harper did not.
Still, I get how you and others think and understand he will likely receive the award as I once thought the same way.
As for Kersh, he is plenty clutch in the regular season, just think of his next to last game. He hasn't been in the post season, but let's just hope that's about to change.
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David Price needs to be way better than this for Toronto to go deep.
How about that David Price, indeed eh? |
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I posted this in the postseason thread and will post it here.
David Price is close to losing his 6th start in a row in the postseason. Wow. He won a game in the playoffs before-as a relief pitcher, and he didn't even pitch one inning in that game.
To be fair, he got some lousy run support, but he usually didn't pitch well either. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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Dodgers need to keep Grienke.
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| 32 wrote: | | Dodgers need to keep Grienke. |
That's a given. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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Worst case scenario is Grienke opts out and signs with the Giants.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| jonnybravo wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Dodgers need to keep Grienke. |
That's a given. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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| 32 wrote: | | Worst case scenario is Grienke opts out and signs with the Giants. |
I can't believe they can offer more money than us. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Pretty sure the Dodgers will be pulling up trucks loaded to the brim with $$ for both Greinke and Price. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| rwongega wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Worst case scenario is Grienke opts out and signs with the Giants. |
I can't believe they can offer more money than us. |
Only way he signs with them is if he feels they have a better chance at a WS. |
Grienke has stated several times that he's going where the $ is.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8991865/zack-greinke-los-angeles-dodgers-deal-money-was-no-1-factor
Greinke, who signed a $147 million, six-year deal with Dodgers, says one thing held sway first and foremost: money.
"I could play for the worst team if they paid the most," Greinke said in an interview with CBSSports.com. "If the last-place team offers $200 million and the first-place team offers $10, I'm going to go for the $200 million no matter what team it was."
The guy is honest if nothing else. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| jonnybravo wrote: | | rwongega wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Worst case scenario is Grienke opts out and signs with the Giants. |
I can't believe they can offer more money than us. |
Only way he signs with them is if he feels they have a better chance at a WS. |
Grienke has stated several times that he's going where the $ is.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8991865/zack-greinke-los-angeles-dodgers-deal-money-was-no-1-factor
Greinke, who signed a $147 million, six-year deal with Dodgers, says one thing held sway first and foremost: money.
"I could play for the worst team if they paid the most," Greinke said in an interview with CBSSports.com. "If the last-place team offers $200 million and the first-place team offers $10, I'm going to go for the $200 million no matter what team it was."
The guy is honest if nothing else. |
Maybe, but I have a feeling he doesn't like losing. 
Either way, it's a long shot for the Giants. Smart money is he stays and hopefully the FO will stop dicking around with oft-injured ex-A's pitchers and get a real #3 guy.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| jonnybravo wrote: | | rwongega wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Worst case scenario is Grienke opts out and signs with the Giants. |
I can't believe they can offer more money than us. |
Only way he signs with them is if he feels they have a better chance at a WS. |
Grienke has stated several times that he's going where the $ is.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8991865/zack-greinke-los-angeles-dodgers-deal-money-was-no-1-factor
Greinke, who signed a $147 million, six-year deal with Dodgers, says one thing held sway first and foremost: money.
"I could play for the worst team if they paid the most," Greinke said in an interview with CBSSports.com. "If the last-place team offers $200 million and the first-place team offers $10, I'm going to go for the $200 million no matter what team it was."
The guy is honest if nothing else. |
He'll go to whatever team pays him the most...which is why he bounced from team to team in his career. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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| rwongega wrote: | | jonnybravo wrote: | David Price needs to be way better than this for Toronto to go deep.
How about that David Price, indeed eh? |
TRADE URIAS FOR HIM. |
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