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| PICKnPOP wrote: | Jabari is probably gone and I thought he would make the team.
Frazier is gone
Sacre is gone
Metta is gone
I think the lakers roll the dice on upshaw and Holmes. I think they both showed enough to make the team today. |
I agree with you.
I hope this is the case. Upshaw most likely makes the team, over Sacre. Frazier and Jabari are superfluous given our depth with SG (Clarkson, Lou, Kobe, Young, Russell can fill in). SF is a game of weakest link... Brown, Kelly, Nance, Metta and Holmes, no one stands out. Brown, Nance and Kelly have guaranteed contracts, so it'll be Metta vs Holmes
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Right now Jabari is playing himself out of the Lakers.
Young is making the case to be kept. If he keeps up that intensity and focus on D, he is a keeper. Scott is going to love that. As will the fans. Would be wonderful to have a consistent two-way impact from him. He could even break into the starting rotation with that.
Kelly has been a positive surprise while A. Brown has been a disappointment. But both need to be tested more.
It seems the third C spot may turn into a contest between Sacre and Black not Sacre and Upshaw.
All the rest is still up for grabs.
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Cut/Waive:
J Brown
Sacre
Holmes
jury still out on Kelly and Frazier
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Brown produced last year and was solid last night. He is a scorer who can share the ball. Holmes, Kelly, Sacre, and Frazier is my updated list. I had Brown on it earlier over Sacre but i like Brown's game. Nance has been really disappointing in his preseason minutes.
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| They have to find a way to unload Nick Young. Him and Lou Williams are practically the same player. Some nights, they will be on in terms of scoring but most nights they will give us headaches on the same line. |
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| socalfan21 wrote: | | They have to find a way to unload Nick Young. Him and Lou Williams are practically the same player. Some nights, they will be on in terms of scoring but most nights they will give us headaches on the same line. |
Lou has more of a complete game/skillset than Nick. But you are right; we only need one of them. |
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| I don't see the need at all for Jabari on this team even considering how well he played last year. |
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| RCS926 wrote: | | I don't see the need at all for Jabari on this team even considering how well he played last year. |
Yeah I like him but with Clarkson, Kobe, DLO and Lou we have other needs than scoring guards.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 8:21 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | RCS926 wrote: | | I don't see the need at all for Jabari on this team even considering how well he played last year. |
Yeah I like him but with Clarkson, Kobe, DLO and Lou we have other needs than scoring guards. |
Yup. He gets to the line well and is a solid spot-up shooter. If he had better physical tools, then he might be worth holding onto. However, at this point, I think we have more than enough talent in our backcourt. |
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| PICKnPOP wrote: | Jabari is probably gone and I thought he would make the team.
Frazier is gone
Sacre is gone
Metta is gone
I think the lakers roll the dice on upshaw and Holmes. I think they both showed enough to make the team today. |
I actually think the Lakers keep Metta, but jettison Holmes, Frazier, and Jabari. Huertas, and Sacre, are on the bubble.
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Jettison Holmes? The guy that grabbed 6 rebounds in 14 minutes?
The only guys that are for sure cuts are Frazier and Sacre. Lots of bubble players.
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There is nothing that Holmes can do that Tarik can't. We have no need for him
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| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 9:28 am Post subject: |
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| Chronicle wrote: | | There is nothing that Holmes can do that Tarik can't. We have no need for him |
Holmes supposedly has range. I haven't watched last night's game yet, but it sounds like he did enough out there to warrant another look. |
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| Chronicle wrote: | | There is nothing that Holmes can do that Tarik can't. We have no need for him |
Black is a C PF
Holmes is a tweeer SF PF
Holmes should be evaluated vis a vis Kelly or Nance or Metta
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| Chronicle wrote: | | There is nothing that Holmes can do that Tarik can't. We have no need for him |
I think Holmes's 3 point % is higher than Black's free throw %. 
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| twisted wrote: | | Chronicle wrote: | | There is nothing that Holmes can do that Tarik can't. We have no need for him |
Black is a C PF
Holmes is a tweeer SF PF
Holmes should be evaluated vis a vis Kelly or Nance or Metta |
I think Black's lack of range really limits him as a 4, and his lack of length hurts him at the 5. |
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Gone:
Frazier
Sacre
Holmes
Brown |
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| Chronicle wrote: | | There is nothing that Holmes can do that Tarik can't. We have no need for him |
Shoot 3s.
What can Tarik Black do that Roy Hibbert and even Robert Upshaw can't?
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| RCS926 wrote: | | twisted wrote: | | Chronicle wrote: | | There is nothing that Holmes can do that Tarik can't. We have no need for him |
Black is a C PF
Holmes is a tweeer SF PF
Holmes should be evaluated vis a vis Kelly or Nance or Metta |
I think Black's lack of range really limits him as a 4, and his lack of length hurts him at the 5. |
Ding ding. I love Tarik Black's game too, but on a team of surging talent, he needed that 15' J this year.
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | Chronicle wrote: | | There is nothing that Holmes can do that Tarik can't. We have no need for him |
Shoot 3s.
What can Tarik Black do that Roy Hibbert and even Robert Upshaw can't? |
Yup especially when you consider that both guys have shown a lot of energy when they've played, which is Black's calling card. It's not surprising that Upshaw would be lively out there, but Roy has been a pleasant surprise in this area. |
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | RCS926 wrote: | | twisted wrote: | | Chronicle wrote: | | There is nothing that Holmes can do that Tarik can't. We have no need for him |
Black is a C PF
Holmes is a tweeer SF PF
Holmes should be evaluated vis a vis Kelly or Nance or Metta |
I think Black's lack of range really limits him as a 4, and his lack of length hurts him at the 5. |
Ding ding. I love Tarik Black's game too, but on a team of surging talent, he needed that 15' J this year. |
Yup. There's no excuse for him to not have added that to his game over the past summer. |
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| Dominator wrote: | | Megaton wrote: | | Dominator wrote: | Holmes
Frazier
Jabari
Nick Young |
Young has to be traded, not cut. But I do agree with you on that. Young needs to go. |
I know, it was just wishful thinking |
That is like wishing your right arm were gone. Young has played well, I have no idea what games you guys are watching. Metta needs to go, he was done a couple of years ago and he can't play NBA ball.
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Ah, yes! I completely forgot about Tariq Black. My apologies. Having been reminded, Tariq is also a "bubble" player for me. Actually, in lieu of that fact, I'd like to amend my earlier response.
Frazier and Jabari are the most likely cuts, due to the glut of players we have at the G/F spot.
Holmes and/or Tariq are likely cuts, due to a similar glut at the PF spot. Tariiq's chances of staying on increase, if Sacre is cut, because of his ability to play the center position, despite his lack of traditional center size.
Sacre is on the bubble, and his only saving grace is the Lakers lack of depth at the center spot. The Lakers only have 3 7-footers, in Hibbert, Sacre, and Upshaw. And, while I like Upshaw better than Sacre, he needs time in the d league.
Huertas is on the bubble, but his saving grace may be the same as Sacre's. The Lakers lack depth at the PG spot, in regards to a playmaker. Other than Russell, Huertas is the only "playmaker first" PG the Lakers have. Of course, depending on how he does in the pre season, once he's healthy enough to play, will determine whether the Lakers keep him, or pass.
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At this point, we need end of the bench guys that are specialists. That will come in and do one or two things very well. Below are guys that I think are locks.
D'Angelo/Huertas
Clarkson/Williams
Kobe/Young
Randle/Bass/ Nance
Hibbert/Black
Here are the guys fighting for a spot and their specialty
Kelly: Stretch 4 and has shown some Scorer ability
Holmes: Stretch 4 / rebounder/ hustle
Metta: Defense/ Hustle/ Vet
Frazier: 3 and D
J Brown: Scorer
A Brown: 3 and D
Sacre: Big Body
Upshaw: Shot Blocking
We have the scoring. When our main scorers come out of the game we have Williams and Young come in. We need DEFENSE.
Here are my four specialists that we keep:
Upshaw - Shot Blocking and Defense once he gets his timing.
A Brown - Our 3's are Kobe and Young, we need a guy to focus on D. Laker's picked him before Holmes, Frazier, and Upshaw so i think they see something here. I think they keep him and hes a specialist.
Metta - As we saw in the second game, he can change the game with his D and hustle. The problem is he can't shoot 3's but he thinks he can. He is a guy you live and die by and may be ok if only used as a specialist. Also, he's a vet and when times get tough it's great to have him with the team in the trenches as opposed to a coaching role.
Holmes - We take a chance on him stretching the floor and providing hustle. We gave Kelly 2 years to show what he can do and it's just not working out. It's still close but if Holmes can show something in the remaining games, I say we opt for potential over Kelly.
We don't need another scorer in J. Brown, Sacre plain sucks and we have big bodies now, Frazier should be sent to D league, Kelly will go to celtics or Jazz. |
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Huertas is getting a pass by most even though nobody has seen him play NBA guards.
Shows how badly we want/need another pass-first guard on our roster besides DLO.
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