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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:42 pm    Post subject:

DLO and Kobe cost this game at the end of the fourth. Hard to blame the youngster for deferring to the superstar, but he should know better if he wants to be a true general out there. This actually killed the momentum for others as well. The flow of the game was lost.

All in all Kobe plays way too much. I saw that in earlier games I saw it again. He starts well (made 4 of 5 or something), but then stayed in for too long, got tired and started missing. And continued missing after that. He needs to play shorter stints and no more than 20 minutes a game right now.

It is strange to see Lou and Young in a lineup that plays the best defence for these Lakers. I guess doing it with Metta, Nance and Black helps a lot.

The defenscive weakness of the starters has a lot to do with missing out on rotations IMO. And I was kind of upset with how bad Hibbert was closing on PnR. Maybe it is the lack of speed, but still. There were so many open shots for the Knicks because of that.

But despite the loss, I think I saw a lot of improvement. I think Lakers played much better defence. Kobe guarding Melo was actually a good thing, because he takes these kind of assignements personal and is effective then. He did much better this time, althought he still lost on some gambles which was costly.
To me, even Scott improved a bit. There was a moment in the first quarter when Knicks had a defencive breakdown and Kobe was left wide open to swish a three. Fish immadiately called a timeout to talk it over. Lakers had several defencive mistakes by that time with no reaction from Scott. But later in the game, especially in the fourth, Scott started to pay attention and call timeouts after the mistakes too.

And I must admit that I was very-very wrong to call Metta completely done. I was sure it was a total mistake to keep him in the roster. Well, Metta is playing better than Kobe right now.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:13 am    Post subject:

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DLO and Kobe cost this game at the end of the fourth. Hard to blame the youngster for deferring to the superstar, but he should know better if he wants to be a true general out there. This actually killed the momentum for others as well. The flow of the game was lost.

All in all Kobe plays way too much. I saw that in earlier games I saw it again. He starts well (made 4 of 5 or something), but then stayed in for too long, got tired and started missing. And continued missing after that. He needs to play shorter stints and no more than 20 minutes a game right now.

It is strange to see Lou and Young in a lineup that plays the best defence for these Lakers. I guess doing it with Metta, Nance and Black helps a lot.

The defenscive weakness of the starters has a lot to do with missing out on rotations IMO. And I was kind of upset with how bad Hibbert was closing on PnR. Maybe it is the lack of speed, but still. There were so many open shots for the Knicks because of that.

But despite the loss, I think I saw a lot of improvement. I think Lakers played much better defence. Kobe guarding Melo was actually a good thing, because he takes these kind of assignements personal and is effective then. He did much better this time, althought he still lost on some gambles which was costly.
To me, even Scott improved a bit. There was a moment in the first quarter when Knicks had a defencive breakdown and Kobe was left wide open to swish a three. Fish immadiately called a timeout to talk it over. Lakers had several defencive mistakes by that time with no reaction from Scott. But later in the game, especially in the fourth, Scott started to pay attention and call timeouts after the mistakes too.

And I must admit that I was very-very wrong to call Metta completely done. I was sure it was a total mistake to keep him in the roster. Well, Metta is playing better than Kobe right now.
DLO, Kobe and the other players were taught a harsh lesson in the final minutes - as highlighted by Coach Dave in the examples he presented that confirms much of what Fiendishoc has been sharing

In the examples, he highlighted that they were trying to force the ball into Kobe without any screens or actions for a large part of the shot clock, DLO's inexperience/indeciveness that hopefully will disappear as he grow as a player, Randle disappeared during the crunch time while hiding out at the 3pt line while making mental mistakes that he will replace by being a force much closer to the paint be incorporating what World Peace has been teaching him and Clarkson will develop into a player that will be entrusted with making himself available to take clutch shots
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:24 am    Post subject:

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DLO, Kobe and the other players were taught a harsh lesson in the final minutes - as highlighted by Coach Dave in the examples he presented that confirms much of what Fiendishoc has been sharing

In the examples, he highlighted that they were trying to force the ball into Kobe without any screens or actions for a large part of the shot clock, DLO's inexperience/indeciveness that hopefully will disappear as he grow as a player


This is where a head coach would be useful. To draw a play and teach the youngster what they should do (along with keeping the vets accountable).

If the Lakers just had one.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:29 am    Post subject:

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A Mad Chinaman wrote:
DLO, Kobe and the other players were taught a harsh lesson in the final minutes - as highlighted by Coach Dave in the examples he presented that confirms much of what Fiendishoc has been sharing

In the examples, he highlighted that they were trying to force the ball into Kobe without any screens or actions for a large part of the shot clock, DLO's inexperience/indeciveness that hopefully will disappear as he grow as a player
This is where a head coach would be useful. To draw a play and teach the youngster what they should do (along with keeping the vets accountable).

If the Lakers just had one.
It was obvious that a play was called since DLO was just holding the ball watching Kobe trying to get a better angle - along with all the other players on both sides of the ball that eliminated any other options. On another play, Hibbert set a screen, DLO waved him off, then DLO brought him up to set a screen.

On another play, Randle was standing in 3pt territory instead of setting up in the paint like any other PF that is not a Stretch 4

End of game situations are something every coach practices and good PG (if players are not open, like Kobe was, would breakdown his man into the paint to create either a shot for himself or for others.

Rookie Mistake

It is something that DLO has to learn to be an excellent PG
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:37 am    Post subject:

The moment DLO can say no to Kobe is the moment he'll start flourishing at PG. Same with the other guys. A judicious PG will know which guys to feed at which moment. He is simply running Scott's offense now and handing it off to guys without using his instincts.
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The moment DLO can say no to Kobe is the moment he'll start flourishing at PG. Same with the other guys. A judicious PG will know which guys to feed at which moment. He is simply running Scott's offense now and handing it off to guys without using his instincts.
He is NOT running the offense since the plays seen prior to the large number of forced ISOs had a lot of motion. After 6-7 second with nobody moving in crunch time, one would think that the PG would either go to the other options or just break his man

When the other creators (Randle/Clarkson) are just watching and not moving - Kobe is forced to take a tightly contested shot up against the shot clock as if they are afraid to take the shot (What is Randle going to do at the 3pt line where he should be at the FT line extended or at the post)

Basketball Crunch Time Lesson 101 is in session

Maybe they will have MWP on the floor to help the kids learn leadership and how to be effective at the end of games. How can learning and repeating bad habits be helpful unless one has the patience to go through long losing streaks like the 76ers - as oppose to what is happening to the 4-2 TWolves
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:14 pm    Post subject:

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The moment DLO can say no to Kobe is the moment he'll start flourishing at PG. Same with the other guys. A judicious PG will know which guys to feed at which moment. He is simply running Scott's offense now and handing it off to guys without using his instincts.
He is NOT running the offense since the plays seen prior to the large number of forced ISOs had a lot of motion. After 6-7 second with nobody moving in crunch time, one would think that the PG would either go to the other options or just break his man

When the other creators (Randle/Clarkson) are just watching and not moving - Kobe is forced to take a tightly contested shot up against the shot clock as if they are afraid to take the shot (What is Randle going to do at the 3pt line where he should be at the FT line extended or at the post)

Basketball Crunch Time Lesson 101 is in session

Maybe they will have MWP on the floor to help the kids learn leadership and how to be effective at the end of games. How can learning and repeating bad habits be helpful unless one has the patience to go through long losing streaks like the 76ers - as oppose to what is happening to the 4-2 TWolves


Huh? He brings the ball up and begins the action of Scott's sets. Sometimes it's a pass to Hibbert who controls the ball while players move.

Other times he passes it off initially to Kobe/JC/Randle and then we never see the ball again.

So what you're saying is he shouldn't do which of the above?
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A Mad Chinaman wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
The moment DLO can say no to Kobe is the moment he'll start flourishing at PG. Same with the other guys. A judicious PG will know which guys to feed at which moment. He is simply running Scott's offense now and handing it off to guys without using his instincts.
He is NOT running the offense since the plays seen prior to the large number of forced ISOs had a lot of motion. After 6-7 second with nobody moving in crunch time, one would think that the PG would either go to the other options or just break his man

When the other creators (Randle/Clarkson) are just watching and not moving - Kobe is forced to take a tightly contested shot up against the shot clock as if they are afraid to take the shot (What is Randle going to do at the 3pt line where he should be at the FT line extended or at the post)

Basketball Crunch Time Lesson 101 is in session

Maybe they will have MWP on the floor to help the kids learn leadership and how to be effective at the end of games. How can learning and repeating bad habits be helpful unless one has the patience to go through long losing streaks like the 76ers - as oppose to what is happening to the 4-2 TWolves


Huh? He brings the ball up and begins the action of Scott's sets. Sometimes it's a pass to Hibbert who controls the ball while players move.

Other times he passes it off initially to Kobe/JC/Randle and then we never see the ball again.

So what you're saying is he shouldn't do which of the above?
Your D-Fish-like actions are noted.

DLO has started doing high P&Rs to create his own shots in the mid-range area of to hold where he can also pass the ball to cutters ala some of Byron's offensive sets or plays that every team does. When Randle and Clarkson decide to keep moving (like they have been practicing and displayed earlier in the game) - they could be very exciting to watch

One could wonder where that DLO/Clarkson/Randle went.

When that DLO is playing at the end of games, things will be much brighter
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:59 pm    Post subject:

A Mad Chinaman wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
A Mad Chinaman wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
The moment DLO can say no to Kobe is the moment he'll start flourishing at PG. Same with the other guys. A judicious PG will know which guys to feed at which moment. He is simply running Scott's offense now and handing it off to guys without using his instincts.
He is NOT running the offense since the plays seen prior to the large number of forced ISOs had a lot of motion. After 6-7 second with nobody moving in crunch time, one would think that the PG would either go to the other options or just break his man

When the other creators (Randle/Clarkson) are just watching and not moving - Kobe is forced to take a tightly contested shot up against the shot clock as if they are afraid to take the shot (What is Randle going to do at the 3pt line where he should be at the FT line extended or at the post)

Basketball Crunch Time Lesson 101 is in session

Maybe they will have MWP on the floor to help the kids learn leadership and how to be effective at the end of games. How can learning and repeating bad habits be helpful unless one has the patience to go through long losing streaks like the 76ers - as oppose to what is happening to the 4-2 TWolves


Huh? He brings the ball up and begins the action of Scott's sets. Sometimes it's a pass to Hibbert who controls the ball while players move.

Other times he passes it off initially to Kobe/JC/Randle and then we never see the ball again.

So what you're saying is he shouldn't do which of the above?
Your D-Fish-like actions are noted.

DLO has started doing high P&Rs to create his own shots in the mid-range area of to hold where he can also pass the ball to cutters ala some of Byron's offensive sets or plays that every team does. When Randle and Clarkson decide to keep moving (like they have been practicing and displayed earlier in the game) - they could be very exciting to watch

One could wonder where that DLO/Clarkson/Randle went.

When that DLO is playing at the end of games, things will be much brighter


Yeah. A part of his development is learning to make the right plays your coach designs, whether it stinks.

I don't think he's in a position, politically, to eschew Scott or Kobe. To a fault, he's playing good soldier.
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yinoma2001 wrote:
A Mad Chinaman wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
A Mad Chinaman wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
The moment DLO can say no to Kobe is the moment he'll start flourishing at PG. Same with the other guys. A judicious PG will know which guys to feed at which moment. He is simply running Scott's offense now and handing it off to guys without using his instincts.
He is NOT running the offense since the plays seen prior to the large number of forced ISOs had a lot of motion. After 6-7 second with nobody moving in crunch time, one would think that the PG would either go to the other options or just break his man

When the other creators (Randle/Clarkson) are just watching and not moving - Kobe is forced to take a tightly contested shot up against the shot clock as if they are afraid to take the shot (What is Randle going to do at the 3pt line where he should be at the FT line extended or at the post)

Basketball Crunch Time Lesson 101 is in session

Maybe they will have MWP on the floor to help the kids learn leadership and how to be effective at the end of games. How can learning and repeating bad habits be helpful unless one has the patience to go through long losing streaks like the 76ers - as oppose to what is happening to the 4-2 TWolves


Huh? He brings the ball up and begins the action of Scott's sets. Sometimes it's a pass to Hibbert who controls the ball while players move.

Other times he passes it off initially to Kobe/JC/Randle and then we never see the ball again.

So what you're saying is he shouldn't do which of the above?
Your D-Fish-like actions are noted.

DLO has started doing high P&Rs to create his own shots in the mid-range area of to hold where he can also pass the ball to cutters ala some of Byron's offensive sets or plays that every team does. When Randle and Clarkson decide to keep moving (like they have been practicing and displayed earlier in the game) - they could be very exciting to watch

One could wonder where that DLO/Clarkson/Randle went.

When that DLO is playing at the end of games, things will be much brighter
Yeah. A part of his development is learning to make the right plays your coach designs, whether it stinks.

I don't think he's in a position, politically, to eschew Scott or Kobe. To a fault, he's playing good soldier.
People are waiting for a leader and hoping that DLO is that leader since they already have many soldiers

When DLO embraces the DFish mentality to embrace and seize these opportunities - he will get/earn Kobe respect because that is what he has done from the beginning of his career.
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