Terrorist attacks in Paris

DaMuleRules · Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:53 pm Post subject:

Question for those who are intent on shutting off refugees from Syria on the off (and yet unproven) chance that an ISIS operative might slip through.

If you were ISIS, what would you do?

Would you send an operative in with a group who is coming from Syria and is going to be viewed suspiciously and carefully where they will spend days and weeks going through the process? Be out of contact and under watch?

Or would you simply send your many European nationals who can enter the country from a "no visa required" nation and simply fly in on a commercial flight unnoticed, easily clear customs and be in country, undetected with in a matter of hours and with no suspicion whatsoever?

Given ISIS's reach into European (and likely American) society, why would they waste their time with the refugee path? It makes no sense logistically or strategically.

OregonLakerGuy · Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 4:24 am Post subject:

A more libertarian look at the refugee question Cato Link

ChefLinda · Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 5:59 am Post subject:

ChefLinda · Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 6:01 am Post subject:

DaMuleRules · Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 12:27 pm Post subject:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/20/europe/paris-attacks-at-a-glance/index.html

• NEW: The Paris Prosecutor's Office confirms that contrary to preliminary information from French authorities, Hasna Ait Boulahcen did not blow herself up during the raid on the apartment in the Paris suburb of Saint-Denis on Wednesday. The prosecutor's office told CNN that it was a man who was wearing a suicide device that detonated. In initial reports, Boulahcen was described as wearing a suicide vest. New information suggests that she was found dead after the raid, but did not detonate a vest.

Omar Little · Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 12:52 pm Post subject:

DaMuleRules · Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 1:04 pm Post subject:

Aeneas Hunter · Retired Number Joined: 12 Jul 2005 Posts: 31763

The hot meme from the political right is that the Tsarnaevs were refugees. That is sort of true in a colloquial sense, but it's mostly false. They came to the US on tourist visas, then their parents applied for asylum.

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DaMuleRules · Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 2:15 pm Post subject:

Aeneas Hunter · Retired Number Joined: 12 Jul 2005 Posts: 31763

Yes, that's correct.

I see both sides on the refugee issue. I've been staying out of the discussion for the most part because I'm conflicted on the issue.

1. On the one hand, I am well aware of the humanitarian issues. But there are also pragmatic issues that accompany the humanitarian issues. These people have to go somewhere, and we run a risk of destabilization if we don't find a solution. For that matter, we are playing into ISIS's hands.

2. On the other hand, I don't know that America can handle the refugees right now. The fear and Islamophobia is regrettable, for sure, but that does not make it less real. The security issue may be small, but it is not nonexistent, and it seems inevitable that one of the refugees will do something to get people enraged.

3. Europe has the same problem as us, only on a greater scale. We need a multilateral solution to put these people somewhere relatively secure. If I had a brilliant idea to fix the problem, I'd say so. But I don't. For better or for worse, however, I don't think the US is going to be able to provide a lot of help. This saddens me, but this is about the worst possible time for this issue to be coming up.

DuncanIdaho · Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 3:04 pm Post subject:

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Omar Little · Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 3:40 pm Post subject:

kikanga · Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 3:46 pm Post subject:

I wish more news articles were like this.
This read provides solutions as opposed to the click-bait rhetoric that fills most political news nowadays.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/11/paris-attacks-isil-strategy-obama-213382
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jodeke · Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 3:58 pm Post subject:

Russia “black widow” jihadist: “I am ready to do anything. I can blow myself up, together with all these nonbelievers”

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DaMuleRules · Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:12 pm Post subject:

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ChefLinda · Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:58 pm Post subject:

The Thief · Starting Rotation Joined: 24 Jun 2005 Posts: 735

ISIS will wait until the rufugees take root. Then they'll carry out an attack. This will create more division between Muslims and the rest of the world. This will lead to more radical converts down the line due to backlash Muslims will get for the attack. Rinse and repeat until they've got their holy war on a world wide scale.

Omar Little · Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:36 pm Post subject:

LarryCoon · Site Staff Joined: 11 Aug 2002 Posts: 11265

Classy move by U2 last night at the end of their show in Paris. Invited Eagles of Death Metal (the band whose show was attacked) on stage at the end, saying "They were robbed of their stage three weeks ago. We'd like to offer them ours tonight." They all did "People Have the Power" as an ensemble, then U2 left the stage & let EODM finish out the show with one of their own songs.