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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:58 am    Post subject: Medina: Byron vs D'Angelo on subject of Playing Time

Byron Scott and D’Angelo Russell view playing time in blowouts very differently

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The outcome seemed obvious well before the final buzzer sounded on the Lakers’ 111-77 loss to the Golden State Warriors on Tuesday.

Yet, the Lakers still had to finish the game. Lakers coach Byron Scott still had to evaluate how players performed. Players still had to prove they would still compete.

But Lakers rookie point guard D’Angelo Russell was not part of that process. He sat out the entire fourth quarter again after posting eight points on 4-of-8 shooting, four rebounds, two assists, two steals and one turnover in only 25 minutes.

“Nah. There’s really no reason to. At that particular time we’re down 30 [points],” Scott said. “I wanted to get Ryan [Kelly] some time and Marcelo [Huertas] as well and some other guys that haven’t played a lot.”

Scott rested all of his starters, including Kobe Bryant, as the Lakers entered the fourth quarter trailing the Warriors, 89-55. But Russell represents a potential cornerstone of the Lakers’ long-term future. Isn’t there value in Russell having game experience even in blowout losses?

“Nah,” Scott said.

Russell would not have been playing in the Lakers’ normal rotation. That experience cannot simulate the same result in a competitive environment when successes or failures become more magnified.

But Russell subscribes to the argument that any increased playing time will have long-term implications, regardless of the settings.

“That would be great,” said Russell. “You’re only a rookie once. You get reps now and mess up now. So then next year when you’re not a rookie, you don’t have to worry about making rookie mistakes.”

Scott believes Russell has made plenty of mistakes with how he runs the offense, plays defense and makes passes. But Russell has shown steady improvement with both his play and opportunities. He entered the Lakers’ game against the Warriors on Tuesday averaging 14.3 points on 41 percent shooting, 6.0 rebounds, 3.3 assists and only 1.9 turnovers in 32 minutes in the previous three contests. Those are modest numbers, but it still exceeds his previous season average before those games when he only averaged 24 minutes per contest.

Still, Russell argued that the Lakers’ fourth-quarter unit earned their playing time. They closed out the last period with a 22-22 tie.

“The group that goes out there looks very good,” Russell said. “I think that’s how coach wants us to play. They were swinging it and everybody touched the ball. They got good quality shots. There was nothing they could really do. But they still looked good.”

Nonetheless, Scott has conceded he hopes one day to give Russell about 35 minutes per game moving forward before adding a caveat:

“That’s up to him,” Scott said. “That learning curve is going away. We’ve been playing him minutes now. He’s getting minutes and making mistakes. Now is a time I expect and will be more demanding. I’m not going to accept some of the mistakes we’re making, especially the ones that he makes over and over again. That’s up to him.”

Is it up to Russell, or is it really up to Scott?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:06 am    Post subject: Re: Medina: Byron vs D'Angelo on subject of Playing Time

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Byron Scott and D’Angelo Russell view playing time in blowouts very differently

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The outcome seemed obvious well before the final buzzer sounded on the Lakers’ 111-77 loss to the Golden State Warriors on Tuesday.

Yet, the Lakers still had to finish the game. Lakers coach Byron Scott still had to evaluate how players performed. Players still had to prove they would still compete.

But Lakers rookie point guard D’Angelo Russell was not part of that process. He sat out the entire fourth quarter again after posting eight points on 4-of-8 shooting, four rebounds, two assists, two steals and one turnover in only 25 minutes.

“Nah. There’s really no reason to. At that particular time we’re down 30 [points],” Scott said. “I wanted to get Ryan [Kelly] some time and Marcelo [Huertas] as well and some other guys that haven’t played a lot.”

Scott rested all of his starters, including Kobe Bryant, as the Lakers entered the fourth quarter trailing the Warriors, 89-55. But Russell represents a potential cornerstone of the Lakers’ long-term future. Isn’t there value in Russell having game experience even in blowout losses?

“Nah,” Scott said.

Russell would not have been playing in the Lakers’ normal rotation. That experience cannot simulate the same result in a competitive environment when successes or failures become more magnified.

But Russell subscribes to the argument that any increased playing time will have long-term implications, regardless of the settings.

“That would be great,” said Russell. “You’re only a rookie once. You get reps now and mess up now. So then next year when you’re not a rookie, you don’t have to worry about making rookie mistakes.”

Scott believes Russell has made plenty of mistakes with how he runs the offense, plays defense and makes passes. But Russell has shown steady improvement with both his play and opportunities. He entered the Lakers’ game against the Warriors on Tuesday averaging 14.33 points on 41 percent shooting, 6.0 rebounds, 3.3 assists and only 1.9 turnovers in 32 minutes in the previous three contests. Those are modest numbers, but it still exceeds his previous season average before those games when he only averaged 24 minutes per contest.

Still, Russell argued that the Lakers’ fourth-quarter unit earned their playing time. They closed out the last period with a 22-22 tie.

“The group that goes out there looks very good,” Russell said. “I think that’s how coach wants us to play. They were swinging it and everybody touched the ball. They got good quality shots. There was nothing they could really do. But they still looked good.”

Nonetheless, Scott has conceded he hopes one day to give Russell about 35 minutes per game moving forward before adding a caveat:

“That’s up to him,” Scott said. “That learning curve is going away. We’ve been playing him minutes now. He’s getting minutes and making mistakes. Now is a time I expect and will be more demanding. I’m not going to accept some of the mistakes we’re making, especially the ones that he makes over and over again. That’s up to him.”

Is it up to Russell, or is it really up to Scott?


Stupid. In one word Byron is stupid. What a poor excuse of a "coach".

MDA >> Brown >> YMCA Coahes >> Byron

Damn it Byron. Just go away for good. You're already the laughing stock of the NBA and you're never getting a coaching opportunity.

This was your dream job but you are our sad nightmare.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:10 am    Post subject:

I actually agree with Byron on this one, give some of the other guys some burn. And let's face it, if he kept Russell in and he got hurt, the same people complaining that he should play Russell would be complaining that he did play Russell. So take the dumb fan opinion out of the equation, by playing the bench guys in a blow out you do what is best for the team.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:11 am    Post subject:

What mistakes are you talking about Byron?

Kobe makes the MOST mistakes on this team, the MOST. He doesn't even play within the offense, he makes his own offense. But since he has 20 years exp, Byron gives him the most minutes, and the most Fga on this team.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:12 am    Post subject:

there's no benefit in playing him in blowouts... the opposition isn't playing their normal 5 or with the same intensity, more than a few of the laker teammates have packed it in AND there's no competition or pressure. What are you practicing exactly? It's a long season and rookies have a hard time physically. Let him play when it matters.

Now, if we start getting blown out in every game, then sure.... play him because what heck else are you going to do.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:20 am    Post subject:

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“That’s up to him,” Scott said. “That learning curve is going away. We’ve been playing him minutes now. He’s getting minutes and making mistakes. Now is a time I expect and will be more demanding. I’m not going to accept some of the mistakes we’re making, especially the ones that he makes over and over again. That’s up to him.”


All this vitrol from Byron against Russell. There's like pent up anger in those words. What the hell did D'Angelo do to Byron exactly?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:22 am    Post subject:

Russell shouldn't play in blowouts. He's a starter and shouldn't be treated like a scrub rookie who's trying to earn a spot on the team. But somehow, the arrogance in Byron's words makes them seem bad even when I agree with what he's saying.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:26 am    Post subject:

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Russell shouldn't play in blowouts. He's a starter and shouldn't be treated like a scrub rookie who's trying to earn a spot on the team. But somehow, the arrogance in Byron's words makes them seem bad even when I agree with what he's saying.


It's not about playing him as a scrub. It's about letting him get acclimated to the NBA tempo, style, talent, and such.

Not saying he should have been in there in the final 3-4 mins but let him play another few mins. Let him establish a flow and confidence.

And honestly, if you don't to do it and you want to treat him like a starter player then that's cool but don't try and throw him under the bus about making mistakes and he needs to get it.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:32 am    Post subject:

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“That’s up to him,” Scott said. “That learning curve is going away. We’ve been playing him minutes now. He’s getting minutes and making mistakes. Now is a time I expect and will be more demanding. I’m not going to accept some of the mistakes we’re making, especially the ones that he makes over and over again. That’s up to him.”


All this vitrol from Byron against Russell. There's like pent up anger in those words. What the hell did D'Angelo do to Byron exactly?


There is no pent up anger, you're just reading into it they way you wanna read into it. He said he's going to be more demanding of Russell that's actually something a rookie should want to hear his coach say of him. Anthony Brown will never get those words from Byron his rookie year.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:36 am    Post subject:

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Bol wrote:
Russell shouldn't play in blowouts. He's a starter and shouldn't be treated like a scrub rookie who's trying to earn a spot on the team. But somehow, the arrogance in Byron's words makes them seem bad even when I agree with what he's saying.


It's not about playing him as a scrub. It's about letting him get acclimated to the NBA tempo, style, talent, and such.

Not saying he should have been in there in the final 3-4 mins but let him play another few mins. Let him establish a flow and confidence.

And honestly, if you don't to do it and you want to treat him like a starter player then that's cool but don't try and throw him under the bus about making mistakes and he needs to get it.


Exactly a few mins would be fine but Russell played 0 mins in the 4th qtr AGAIN.

At least play him 5-6 mins in the beginning.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:41 am    Post subject:

Bol wrote:
Russell shouldn't play in blowouts. He's a starter and shouldn't be treated like a scrub rookie who's trying to earn a spot on the team. But somehow, the arrogance in Byron's words makes them seem bad even when I agree with what he's saying.


He'll get more assists and play more naturally with a bunch of scrubs unfortunately.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:45 am    Post subject:

I actually like the message.... as long as the team is competitive, you play more. If the team isn't competitive, the scrubs will play. In a sense, you're responsible for getting playing time by doing your best to keep the game competitive.

Now, Byron sabotages this with his substitutions... i get that. But the starters got DESTROYED last night. By the time the bench came in, we were down 20.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:51 am    Post subject:

silkwilkes wrote:
I actually like the message.... as long as the team is competitive, you play more. If the team isn't competitive, the scrubs will play. In a sense, you're responsible for getting playing time by doing your best to keep the game competitive.

Now, Byron sabotages this with his substitutions... i get that. But the starters got DESTROYED last night. By the time the bench came in, we were down 20.


Russell was the only thing the lakers had going in the first 6 minutes of the game and He got benched. That is the stupid kind of (bleep) that will lose you games.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:51 am    Post subject:

Russell SHOULD be playing in blowouts. Every minute of PT is a chance for him to learn, grow and get better.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:09 am    Post subject:

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“That’s up to him,” Scott said. “That learning curve is going away. We’ve been playing him minutes now. He’s getting minutes and making mistakes. Now is a time I expect and will be more demanding. I’m not going to accept some of the mistakes we’re making, especially the ones that he makes over and over again. That’s up to him.”


All this vitrol from Byron against Russell. There's like pent up anger in those words. What the hell did D'Angelo do to Byron exactly?


There is no pent up anger, you're just reading into it they way you wanna read into it. He said he's going to be more demanding of Russell that's actually something a rookie should want to hear his coach say of him. Anthony Brown will never get those words from Byron his rookie year.


That is part of what helps them to develop, being held accountable for their mistakes. And DLO seems to be a confident guy, I would guess he will take the challenge with the correct frame of mind.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:11 am    Post subject:

Hopefully he tells Russell what these mistakes are instead of threatening to take away his minutes.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:12 am    Post subject:

I really tired of these Byron articles.!!!! I just wish that they can go away!!! SOOOOO FAR AWAY!!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:23 am    Post subject:

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That is part of what helps them to develop, being held accountable for their mistakes. And DLO seems to be a confident guy, I would guess he will take the challenge with the correct frame of mind.

But what message does it send when others make more mistakes and are not held accountable?
If they were all in the same boat, I wouldn't agree with what he would be doing but I could understand it. But that isn't the case here.
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