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"To forgive the terrorists is up to God, but to send them to him is up to me."
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| I thought November 26th was Turkey Day. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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| All I got from that article was that the F-16 is still lethal no matter what it goes up against. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Damned if that turkey was going to end up on the table! |
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There's a lot more to the jet downing than just Turkey over-reacting to a violation of its air space. Russian jets have been violating NATO and Scandinavian air spaces since the beginning of the Cold War. They scaled down for a couple of decades, but Putin scaled to violations back up in recent years. He's basically playing strong man politics, using intimidation as a means of projecting national will. He could also be checking response times and even responses, and if you subscribe to hardline military doctrine, he could also use these violations as a means to cover a larger scale attack at a future date. For what it is worth, Russian (or earlier, Soviet) planes have always drawn NATO or Scandinavian fighter jet responses, usually nothing more than a few verbal warnings and a hasty escort out of the violated air space.
There are reportedly few ISIS strongholds near the border of Turkey. They have been beaten back by brigades of Turkmen and their Kurdish allies, who are rebelling against Assad, who is a staunch Russian ally. The Turkmen are ethnic Turks, and thus Turkey sees themselves as their protectors. The Russian air raids have been hitting the Turkmen, which in turn have agitated the Turks, which likely contributed to the somewhat crazy decision to shoot the damn plane down. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | All I got from that article was that the F-16 is still lethal no matter what it goes up against. |
Well the SU-24 is a Soviet era war relic. It's purpose is to be a ground attack plane; it would be absolutely no match for an F-16, which was developed as an air superiority fighter plane. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | All I got from that article was that the F-16 is still lethal no matter what it goes up against. |
the F-14 is the coolest looking fighter jet to date |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Will this be the turkey that Obama pardons? |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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| from what I understand about world wars I believe no world war can just start from a single attack or a random act of terror. World Wars are caused by built up tension. tension caused by a series of attacks and terror. only problem is that the attacks have been from small terrorist organizations. which no country would claim them as a their own citizens. |
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| LAKERSCMXCIX wrote: | | from what I understand about world wars I believe no world war can just start from a single attack or a random act of terror. World Wars are caused by built up tension. tension caused by a series of attacks and terror. only problem is that the attacks have been from small terrorist organizations. which no country would claim them as a their own citizens. |
I arrived at a similar theory regarding the relieving of tensions, only it involves sex.
On a serious note, WWI escalated from a single terrorist act, but yes, the act itself had significance due to the tensions that had built up between the European powers. Some might see a parallel between this event and the shooting of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria in the strife-torn Balkans, particularly because of the tangled alliances (both then and now) and over-arching desire of Kaiser Wilhelm to flex his military muscle, much like Putin. There's tension from the sanctions the West has imposed on Russia, but I don't see this as a tipping point. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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| angrypuppy wrote: | | I thought November 26th was Turkey Day. |
Not in Turkey.
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| Jet got gobbled up. |
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| LAKERSCMXCIX wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | All I got from that article was that the F-16 is still lethal no matter what it goes up against. |
the F-14 is the coolest looking fighter jet to date |
Cool definitely...
Being costly to maintain was a big reason why they switch over to the F-18 Super Hornet. Although now they are paying the price for it because it has a shorter combat radius and countries like China have developed anti-carrier missile systems that take advantage of the shorter unrefueled range of the F-18 Super Hornets. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| angrypuppy wrote: | | LAKERSCMXCIX wrote: | | from what I understand about world wars I believe no world war can just start from a single attack or a random act of terror. World Wars are caused by built up tension. tension caused by a series of attacks and terror. only problem is that the attacks have been from small terrorist organizations. which no country would claim them as a their own citizens. |
I arrived at a similar theory regarding the relieving of tensions, only it involves sex.
On a serious note, WWI escalated from a single terrorist act, but yes, the act itself had significance due to the tensions that had built up between the European powers. Some might see a parallel between this event and the shooting of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria in the strife-torn Balkans, particularly because of the tangled alliances (both then and now) and over-arching desire of Kaiser Wilhelm to flex his military muscle, much like Putin. There's tension from the sanctions the West has imposed on Russia, but I don't see this as a tipping point. |
in all honesty we are due for a World war conflict...the only thing is stopping it are nuclear weapons AND the fact that no arab nation are claiming the terrorists as their own people.
IMO the first country that sets off a nuke will be the country that loses the war |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | LAKERSCMXCIX wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | All I got from that article was that the F-16 is still lethal no matter what it goes up against. |
the F-14 is the coolest looking fighter jet to date |
Cool definitely...
Being costly to maintain was a big reason why they switch over to the F-18 Super Hornet. Although now they are paying the price for it because it has a shorter combat radius and countries like China have developed anti-carrier missile systems that take advantage of the shorter unrefueled range of the F-18 Super Hornets. |
I thought the F15 was designed for longer combat radius thus creating the need for a shorter distance fighter which ultimately was the Hornet
F15 Eagle: Range: 3,450 mi (3,000 nmi, 5,550 km) with conformal fuel tanks and three external fuel tanks
F18 Hornet: Range: 1,089 nmi (1,250 miles, 2,000 km) with only two AIM-9s |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Looks like Russians will enjoy some Turkey this coming Thanksgiving. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Russia learned a hard lesson that Turkey won't roll over. Unlike the other Baltic states they can just push around, Turkey is backed by NATO as well. |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | Russia learned a hard lesson that Turkey won't roll over. Unlike the other Baltic states they can just push around, Turkey is backed by NATO as well. |
Which is exactly why Turkey should follow the protocols and examples of their allies in the organization rather than act impulsively and selfishly, thus putting their allies at risk.
Turkey may feel they were being bold and brave, but it was actually just stupid and pointless. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| C M B wrote: | | angrypuppy wrote: | | I thought November 26th was Turkey Day. |
Not in Turkey. |
To add to the confusion, I saw a Modern Marvels epi on turkeys that claimed Israel is the world's top consumer of turkeys. Try to figger an explanation for that one.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | Russia learned a hard lesson that Turkey won't roll over. Unlike the other Baltic states they can just push around, Turkey is backed by NATO as well. |
Which is exactly why Turkey should follow the protocols and examples of their allies in the organization rather than act impulsively and selfishly, thus putting their allies at risk.
Turkey may feel they were being bold and brave, but it was actually just stupid and pointless. |
They were acting jive, in other words.
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| Up next, trains and automobiles. |
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