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KeepItRealOrElse
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | The smartest guy in this is Porzingis, who apparently knew how awful the Sixers organization is and refused to work out for them.
Okafor is stuck in that mess, it's eating away at him, and he's acted completely and utterly unprofessional. I know he's 19, and lord knows if you told me at 19 some of the things that fan was probably saying to JO, I'd throw a punch. But, Okafor's a pro now. He can't do it. A few games suspension is what he'll get, rightfully. |
Damn. Porzingis and Noel together would have been sick, really. That's a lot of length mobility and altered shots. Zingy stretching the floor next to him would be perfect. Sixers messed up |
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| fiendishoc wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | The smartest guy in this is Porzingis, who apparently knew how awful the Sixers organization is and refused to work out for them.
Okafor is stuck in that mess, it's eating away at him, and he's acted completely and utterly unprofessional. I know he's 19, and lord knows if you told me at 19 some of the things that fan was probably saying to JO, I'd throw a punch. But, Okafor's a pro now. He can't do it. A few games suspension is what he'll get, rightfully. |
Jahlil refused to work out for them too, but they took him anyway. |
Yeah but JA was a lock for one of the top 2-3 picks just based on his career at Duke. Porzingis is the guy if he works out for you he could move up. As stated with the Lakers, his work out was so good they thought seriously about taking him at 2. It wouldn't have shocked me if had he worked out for them, they take him at 3 over Okafor and Okafor goes to NY. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2015 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | cKPayasoLoco wrote: | welp Okafor knocked someone out in Bos last night. hopefully no legal trouble. Knocking out Celtics fan dude was destined to be a laker  |
+5000 points for KO of a Celtics fan.  |
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | Here's overall defensive FG percentage of man D (Anywhere on court - perimeter guys included in this as well)
Towns 37.2% (Awesome)
Winslow 39.4% (man D hype justified and proven)
Porzingis 42.4%
Okafor 43.7%
Mudiay 44%
WCS 45.9%
Russell 48.9%
For example comparison sake - someone like Greg Monroe a notoriously good O player but bad D guy is at 54% for the season. The stats are really surprising to me. Russell's man D looked good at first glance, but his man D has been pretty poor statistically. |
the problem with Okafor to me is that he has an attitude problem and lackluster demeanor overall, guy always has a his shoulder slumped and now with the off court incident. Doesn't seem like a good lockeroom guy |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2015 7:19 am Post subject: |
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| kobetimeeverytime wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | Here's overall defensive FG percentage of man D (Anywhere on court - perimeter guys included in this as well)
Towns 37.2% (Awesome)
Winslow 39.4% (man D hype justified and proven)
Porzingis 42.4%
Okafor 43.7%
Mudiay 44%
WCS 45.9%
Russell 48.9%
For example comparison sake - someone like Greg Monroe a notoriously good O player but bad D guy is at 54% for the season. The stats are really surprising to me. Russell's man D looked good at first glance, but his man D has been pretty poor statistically. |
the problem with Okafor to me is that he has an attitude problem and lackluster demeanor overall, guy always has a his shoulder slumped and now with the off court incident. Doesn't seem like a good lockeroom guy |
Respect your opinion. Clearly the numbers show that he has potential to defend. People compare him to Brook Lopez or Greg Monroe or Al Jefferson, yet his defensive stats in protecting the basket and his overall DFG% on his man are very, very respectable. If you talk to some, they'll state it as if JO was a matador. While I haven't been impressed by his D like say Towns, Winslow and Porzingis, I also never saw Okafor at this awful defender either. It looked to me that there was some potential there and I even have seen him shut down some quality players in 1 on 1 situations.
For example Al Jefferson's D stats in those same situations I posted - OPP FG% is 62 on defensive impact around basket, and overall his opp FG% is 51.9. In comparison Okafor's numbers in those areas on opp FG% are 43.7 and 43%. |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2015 7:32 am Post subject: |
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| ^ The Sixers bloggers and writers say that his problem is help defense. Specifically, staying attached to his man or going for the rebound when someone else's man is coming through the lane. Sounds like the same problems as Julius. |
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| There are also some serious issues with the data collection on the defensive end from the SportsVU cameras. Vantage Sports did an article on it recently. http://bit.ly/1Vqz8s4 |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2015 9:53 am Post subject: |
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| cKPayasoLoco wrote: | | welp Okafor knocked someone out in Bos last night. hopefully no legal trouble. Knocking out Celtics fan dude was destined to be a laker |
Uhhh, no. Definitely not Laker material.
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| fiendishoc wrote: | | ^ The Sixers bloggers and writers say that his problem is help defense. Specifically, staying attached to his man or going for the rebound when someone else's man is coming through the lane. Sounds like the same problems as Julius. |
Julius can get better (and did against GS) due to his good lateral quickness. That is something that Okafor lacks.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | fiendishoc wrote: | | ^ The Sixers bloggers and writers say that his problem is help defense. Specifically, staying attached to his man or going for the rebound when someone else's man is coming through the lane. Sounds like the same problems as Julius. |
Julius can get better (and did against GS) due to his good lateral quickness. That is something that Okafor lacks. |
I think that's a recognition and fundamentals issue. Hibbert isn't the best laterally. Great help defender. So much so, sometimes it leads to lower rebound rates.
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| Regardless - Okafor is already defending way better than Monroe or some others he is compared to such as Jefferson. His man D has been quite good at times, and the knock on him is that he can't defend and I think while he won't ever be on D teams, he has potential to at least be solid. It's on him to learn how to play better team and help D, but unlike Monroe/Lopez/Jefferson, I don't think speed is nearly as big an issue with him as much as it's actually focusing and putting in the motor/effort. When I've seen Okafor play Towns, his motor is at 10/10 on both sides of the ball. Other games - not so much. |
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Class of '15 by BPM, 11/27/15 (min. 140 minutes played)
1) Karl-Anthony Towns........+2.3
2) Rondae Hollis-Jefferson...+1.8
3) Willie Cauley-Stein.........+0.9
4) Kristaps Porzingis...........+0.4
5) Frank Kaminsky..............+0.0
6) Justise Winslow...............-1.0
7) TJ McConnell...................-1.2
8) D'Angelo Russell..............-1.4
9) Stanley Johnson..............-2.6
10) Jahlil Okafor..................-3.8
11) Jerian Grant..................-3.9
12) Larry Nance..................-4.0
13) Emmanuel Mudiay..........-4.7
14) Mario Hezonja...............-6.3 |
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| Mudiay now ahead of only Sidney Lowe's 1989-90 season for worst FG% in the 3-point line era, with a minimum of 20mpg. #sportshate #iseeukikanga |
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I think he hit his rookie wall already. Seems like his performances are differentiated by whether or not he's shooting well.
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Rookie game stats for tonight
Porzingis 11 points 5-11 FGA 8 boards, 3 blocks, 2 steals in 24 minutes
Okafor 11 points 4-12 FGA 6 boards in 27 minutes
Winslow 9 points 3-5 FGA 7 boards 1 steal in 35 minutes
Mudiay 9 points 3-14 FGA 3 assists in 29 minutes
Kaminsky 3 points 1-4 FGA in 19 minutes
* Towns playing still late 4th Q 7 points, 3-5 FGA 8 boards, 2 blocks in 21 minutes * |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | #sportshate |
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | Rookie game stats for tonight
Porzingis 11 points 5-11 FGA 8 boards, 3 blocks, 2 steals in 24 minutes
Okafor 11 points 4-12 FGA 6 boards in 27 minutes
Winslow 9 points 3-5 FGA 7 boards 1 steal in 35 minutes
Mudiay 9 points 3-14 FGA 3 assists in 29 minutes
Kaminsky 3 points 1-4 FGA in 19 minutes
* Towns playing still late 4th Q 7 points, 3-5 FGA 8 boards, 2 blocks in 21 minutes * |
#rookiewall before the rookiewall
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| One thing about Porzingis and Towns, both of them seem to be able to make a significant impact and even finish with good all around stats in games that they don't play particularly well in. I find that impressive - and sort of like young KG. Now don't know if either will end up close to that good, but recall young KG doing similar. So did someone like Kirilenko. |
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | | One thing about Porzingis and Towns, both of them seem to be able to make a significant impact and even finish with good all around stats in games that they don't play particularly well in. I find that impressive - and sort of like young KG. Now don't know if either will end up close to that good, but recall young KG doing similar. So did someone like Kirilenko. |
I've been impressed by Porzingis' maturity. He has some swag but it doesn't come across as childish. There is definitely a mental edge that he has over most of the other rookies. He's out to prove that he's not the soft, white, Euro. |
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@CTowersCBS: Karl-Anthony Towns hasn't played more than 22 minutes in any of the last 3 games, which is pretty aggravating.
Deez old coaches gotta go. Heads up their arses |
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | @CTowersCBS: Karl-Anthony Towns hasn't played more than 22 minutes in any of the last 3 games, which is pretty aggravating.
Deez old coaches gotta go. Heads up their arses |
At least in Minnesota's case, they've won all 3 games. We've lost ours by 11, 14, & 34. |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | @CTowersCBS: Karl-Anthony Towns hasn't played more than 22 minutes in any of the last 3 games, which is pretty aggravating.
Deez old coaches gotta go. Heads up their arses |
At least in Minnesota's case, they've won all 3 games. We've lost ours by 11, 14, & 34. |
They've really surprised me this year. Others thought they'd be this solid though |
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| Tark the Shark wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | | One thing about Porzingis and Towns, both of them seem to be able to make a significant impact and even finish with good all around stats in games that they don't play particularly well in. I find that impressive - and sort of like young KG. Now don't know if either will end up close to that good, but recall young KG doing similar. So did someone like Kirilenko. |
I've been impressed by Porzingis' maturity. He has some swag but it doesn't come across as childish. There is definitely a mental edge that he has over most of the other rookies. He's out to prove that he's not the soft, white, Euro. |
I've found many in this draft to be impressive. Most of these guys are 1 year out of HS, or in the case of Zinger first time playing in a new country and culture. It's been nice to see not a single "bust" or headcase in the top picks, maybe outside of Orlando's pick (Although very very early to even say that). Everyone from Towns, Okafor, Zinger, Russell, WCS, Winslow, Mudiay have stepped in and right away been giving a team NBA level production either starter worthy or even better. That takes a lot of talent but also a lot of mental stability. |
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TJ McConnell has played 475 minutes and has shot ZERO free throws.  |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2015 9:44 am Post subject: |
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| GoldenThroat wrote: | | TJ McConnell has played 475 minutes and has shot ZERO free throws. |
He needs to toughen up.
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