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| Mike@LG wrote: | This is how absurd an 8'7" standing reach sounds to me with a guy who is 6'9" w/o shoes.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Dwyane-Wade-4726/
6'3.5". Near equal wingspan to Simmons at 6'10.75".
Standing reach. 8'6".
But you want to counterargue that a guy a full 5" taller with the same wingspan has a standing reach, 1" longer.
If Simmons legitimately has a standing reach of 8'7", he's the best athlete I've ever seen. |
Your comparing guys that are known to be lanky brah.
Wade always was known to be long, which was why even though he is undersized as a 2, his long arms compensated for it.
So, basically, by your logic, the taller the guy, the longer the arms... |
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| Quote: | Does add up, simmons has trex arms.
Blair doesn't, hence his longer wingspan....
Yea can't avg 2bpg against tier 2 competition and playing in a weak conference. Simmons has better vertical than Blair, soo...
It makes perfect sense |
Disagree.
You're looking at the statistics right now. I'm pointing out guards with near equal standing reach to Simmons that are 5" shorter.
You can't even dispute me much on wingspan. It's between 6'11" to 7' consistently.
Yet, guards, that have a 6'10"+ wingspan, that are 6'3" like Dwyane Wade and D'Angelo Russell, have a standing reach only 1" shorter than Ben Simmons.
Flawed logic.
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| 10. wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | This is how absurd an 8'7" standing reach sounds to me with a guy who is 6'9" w/o shoes.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Dwyane-Wade-4726/
6'3.5". Near equal wingspan to Simmons at 6'10.75".
Standing reach. 8'6".
But you want to counterargue that a guy a full 5" taller with the same wingspan has a standing reach, 1" longer.
If Simmons legitimately has a standing reach of 8'7", he's the best athlete I've ever seen. |
Your comparing guys that are known to be lanky brah.
Wade always was known to be long, which was why even though he is undersized as a 2, his long arms compensated for it.
So, basically, by your logic, the taller the guy, the longer the arms... |
By my logic, the 5" taller guy with the equal wingspan should have higher standing reach. #logic.
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | 10. wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | This is how absurd an 8'7" standing reach sounds to me with a guy who is 6'9" w/o shoes.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Dwyane-Wade-4726/
6'3.5". Near equal wingspan to Simmons at 6'10.75".
Standing reach. 8'6".
But you want to counterargue that a guy a full 5" taller with the same wingspan has a standing reach, 1" longer.
If Simmons legitimately has a standing reach of 8'7", he's the best athlete I've ever seen. |
Your comparing guys that are known to be lanky brah.
Wade always was known to be long, which was why even though he is undersized as a 2, his long arms compensated for it.
So, basically, by your logic, the taller the guy, the longer the arms... |
By my logic, the 5" taller guy with the equal wingspan should have higher standing reach. #logic. |
WHY? Some guys have better shoulders than others and therefore wider...
If your wider, your wingspan will be better, but not your standing reach.
Dont quit your day job brah |
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| Quote: | | Dont quit your day job brah |
Got it. #BenSimmonshasa5inchneck #BenSimmonsisUnusuallywide
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| kaoss128 wrote: | | tox wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | tox wrote: | | I hardly watch cbb... how's Simmons' defense? |
Average man defender, great help/team defend. Shows some presence in the paint swatting, even in transition situations. Forces turnovers along the perimeter. |
Cheers! Sounding more and more like a 4 than a 3, beyond just his length and shooting inability. Does he have the lateral quickness to keep up with an NBA 3? Edit: A Paul George type 3 |
He's going to a PF not a SF. This is the 2015 NBA. Even Paul George plays the 4 now. |
Doesn't mean he can't spend some time at the 3/ guarding perimeter 4s anyways based on lineups. That's what I was asking about. |
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| Wingspan includes how broad your shoulders and chest are. Take the same wingspan in somebody with narrow shoulders vs broad. Those with the narrow shoulders will have a higher standing reach than those with the broad shoulders. |
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| tox wrote: | | kaoss128 wrote: | | tox wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | tox wrote: | | I hardly watch cbb... how's Simmons' defense? |
Average man defender, great help/team defend. Shows some presence in the paint swatting, even in transition situations. Forces turnovers along the perimeter. |
Cheers! Sounding more and more like a 4 than a 3, beyond just his length and shooting inability. Does he have the lateral quickness to keep up with an NBA 3? Edit: A Paul George type 3 |
He's going to a PF not a SF. This is the 2015 NBA. Even Paul George plays the 4 now. |
Doesn't mean he can't spend some time at the 3/ guarding perimeter 4s anyways based on lineups. That's what I was asking about. |
Simmons' natural position is PF. While he has some lateral agility, his best athletic abilities are with vertical, initial jump and second jump, where he gets a high rebound and block rate, despite being 8'7" with a standing reach.
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| LakerLogic wrote: | | Wingspan includes how broad your shoulders and chest are. Take the same wingspan in somebody with narrow shoulders vs broad. Those with the narrow shoulders will have a higher standing reach than those with the broad shoulders. |
Agreed. And prior to this season, Simmons was the "lanky" kid.
But, generally speaking, 6'9" guys with 7' wingspans, have a standing reach easily greater than 8'10".
So, Simmons has to be unusually disproportional to only be 8'7". Tall neck. No trunk. No legs. Somehow wide.
Doesn't look like that to me.
I don't disagree with LSU's measurements, because they're fairly consistent with prior measurements in terms of height and wingspan with Nike Hoops Summit, but it's clear they gave him a runway to get his vert numbers up.
I already stated the difference in tests between NBA PreDraft camp and even NBA workouts can reflect different numbers, and somehow come out "exaggerated."
In fact, here's a clear list of Pre-Draft measurements arranged by height.
Down to the 6'9" area w/o shoes. Consistently guys 8'10" standing reach or more, even with average wingspans.
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/
Misnomer? Dan Langhi with 6'8" wingspan, so sure, the 8'8" standing reach would make sense.
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This is a really impossible discussion lol. But Simmons does look to have a really long neck lol. From the way he dunks of vert standing under he hoop I would have guessed the 9' reach is accurate, but his neck, and looking at pics/vids of his arms extending above his head - they look like "alligator arms" God that term is so annoying haha, but yea
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | Wingspan includes how broad your shoulders and chest are. Take the same wingspan in somebody with narrow shoulders vs broad. Those with the narrow shoulders will have a higher standing reach than those with the broad shoulders. |
Agreed. And prior to this season, Simmons was the "lanky" kid.
But, generally speaking, 6'9" guys with 7' wingspans, have a standing reach easily greater than 8'10".
So, Simmons has to be unusually disproportional to only be 8'7". Tall neck. No trunk. No legs. Somehow wide.
Doesn't look like that to me.
I don't disagree with LSU's measurements, because they're fairly consistent with prior measurements in terms of height and wingspan with Nike Hoops Summit, but it's clear they gave him a runway to get his vert numbers up.
I already stated the difference in tests between NBA PreDraft camp and even NBA workouts can reflect different numbers, and somehow come out "exaggerated."
In fact, here's a clear list of Pre-Draft measurements arranged by height.
Down to the 6'9" area w/o shoes. Consistently guys 8'10" standing reach or more, even with average wingspans.
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/
Misnomer? Dan Langhi with 6'8" wingspan, so sure, the 8'8" standing reach would make sense. |
Love was at 6'10.
6'11 wingspan
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | This is a really impossible discussion lol. But Simmons does look to have a really long neck lol. From the way he dunks of vert standing under he hoop I would have guessed the 9' reach is accurate, but his neck, and looking at pics/vids of his arms extending above his head - they look like "alligator arms" God that term is so annoying haha, but yea |
So, if your neck is longer, your standing reach would be affected via wingspan...
Longer neck at constant wingspan would mean lower standing reach.... |
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Austin Rivers is 6'5 with a 8'0 reach and a 6'7 wingspan . DLo is the same height with 6" more standing reach (2.5" more inches wingspan)
Joakim Noah is 7feet with a 8'9 reach..
Idk, at first I thought the 9' was legit but his neck is realleh long. Lol |
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https://vine.co/v/Omtw6WWhTEg like here on this exquisite dunk,it doesn't look like his arms can reach much above his head. And his shoulders are wide there, and his neck is super long in pics.
Mike, if the 8'7 reach is the legit one - what do you think of him position wise and projection wise then ? |
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i think shelden williams is still the worst transgressor of wingspan to standing reach discrepancy |
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| 10. wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | LakerLogic wrote: | | Wingspan includes how broad your shoulders and chest are. Take the same wingspan in somebody with narrow shoulders vs broad. Those with the narrow shoulders will have a higher standing reach than those with the broad shoulders. |
Agreed. And prior to this season, Simmons was the "lanky" kid.
But, generally speaking, 6'9" guys with 7' wingspans, have a standing reach easily greater than 8'10".
So, Simmons has to be unusually disproportional to only be 8'7". Tall neck. No trunk. No legs. Somehow wide.
Doesn't look like that to me.
I don't disagree with LSU's measurements, because they're fairly consistent with prior measurements in terms of height and wingspan with Nike Hoops Summit, but it's clear they gave him a runway to get his vert numbers up.
I already stated the difference in tests between NBA PreDraft camp and even NBA workouts can reflect different numbers, and somehow come out "exaggerated."
In fact, here's a clear list of Pre-Draft measurements arranged by height.
Down to the 6'9" area w/o shoes. Consistently guys 8'10" standing reach or more, even with average wingspans.
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/
Misnomer? Dan Langhi with 6'8" wingspan, so sure, the 8'8" standing reach would make sense. |
Love was at 6'10.
6'11 wingspan
8'10 standing reach |
That 3" is a huge difference.
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | https://vine.co/v/Omtw6WWhTEg like here on this exquisite dunk,it doesn't look like his arms can reach much above his head. And his shoulders are wide there, and his neck is super long in pics.
Mike, if the 8'7 reach is the legit one - what do you think of him position wise and projection wise then ? |
I don't buy that 8'7" is a legit one. When I'm watching Ben, he's not using full vert every single time. He is getting boards and swats by reach.
But, clearly, it hasn't deterred anyone from taking him #1 anyway. Everyone is waiting for official numbers from NBA PreDraft camp.
If 8'7" is legit, then his athleticism is Rodman-like. That'll keep him at #1.
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | https://vine.co/v/Omtw6WWhTEg like here on this exquisite dunk,it doesn't look like his arms can reach much above his head. And his shoulders are wide there, and his neck is super long in pics.
Mike, if the 8'7 reach is the legit one - what do you think of him position wise and projection wise then ? |
I don't buy that 8'7" is a legit one. When I'm watching Ben, he's not using full vert every single time. He is getting boards and swats by reach.
But, clearly, it hasn't deterred anyone from taking him #1 anyway. Everyone is waiting for official numbers from NBA PreDraft camp.
If 8'7" is legit, then his athleticism is Rodman-like. That'll keep him at #1. |
Except Rodamn had freakish wingspan and probably freakish standing reach even though he was 6'6.
Reported wingspan to be anywhere from 7'4 to 7'7.
In addition, probably the best motor the NBA has ever seen....
Two different things brah |
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| 10. wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | https://vine.co/v/Omtw6WWhTEg like here on this exquisite dunk,it doesn't look like his arms can reach much above his head. And his shoulders are wide there, and his neck is super long in pics.
Mike, if the 8'7 reach is the legit one - what do you think of him position wise and projection wise then ? |
I don't buy that 8'7" is a legit one. When I'm watching Ben, he's not using full vert every single time. He is getting boards and swats by reach.
But, clearly, it hasn't deterred anyone from taking him #1 anyway. Everyone is waiting for official numbers from NBA PreDraft camp.
If 8'7" is legit, then his athleticism is Rodman-like. That'll keep him at #1. |
Except Rodamn had freakish wingspan and probably freakish standing reach even though he was 6'6.
Reported wingspan to be anywhere from 7'4 to 7'7.
In addition, probably the best motor the NBA has ever seen....
Two different things brah |
Source?
Otherwise I'd disagree. Ever seen 7'7" wingspan in person? At least I can say I've met him in person. It's not 7'7", otherwise, he'd touch his knees standing up.
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | 10. wrote: | | Mike@LG wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | https://vine.co/v/Omtw6WWhTEg like here on this exquisite dunk,it doesn't look like his arms can reach much above his head. And his shoulders are wide there, and his neck is super long in pics.
Mike, if the 8'7 reach is the legit one - what do you think of him position wise and projection wise then ? |
I don't buy that 8'7" is a legit one. When I'm watching Ben, he's not using full vert every single time. He is getting boards and swats by reach.
But, clearly, it hasn't deterred anyone from taking him #1 anyway. Everyone is waiting for official numbers from NBA PreDraft camp.
If 8'7" is legit, then his athleticism is Rodman-like. That'll keep him at #1. |
Except Rodamn had freakish wingspan and probably freakish standing reach even though he was 6'6.
Reported wingspan to be anywhere from 7'4 to 7'7.
In addition, probably the best motor the NBA has ever seen....
Two different things brah |
Source?
Otherwise I'd disagree. Ever seen 7'7" wingspan in person? At least I can say I've met him in person. It's not 7'7", otherwise, he'd touch his knees standing up. |
Reported at 7'4 to 7'7...
How can you even compare Rodman to Simmons. Most illogical comparison I've read today.
Rodman was essentially a shorter frontcourt player with amazing length and amazing stamina. Comeplete opposite of Simmons... |
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How can you even compare Rodman to Simmons. Most illogical comparison I've read today. |
You do understand that I compared his athleticism, and not height/length, right?
Considering Simmons is averaging 15 rebounds 2.3 steals and 1.6 blocks, it's not that illogical.
7'7" wingspan on a 6'7" guy? 8'7" standing reach on a 6'9" player with a 6'10" wingspan?
Yeah, illogical.
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| Mike@LG wrote: | | Quote: |
How can you even compare Rodman to Simmons. Most illogical comparison I've read today. |
You do understand that I compared his athleticism, and not height/length, right?
Considering Simmons is averaging 15 rebounds 2.3 steals and 1.6 blocks, it's not that illogical.
7'7" wingspan on a 6'7" guy? 8'7" standing reach on a 6'9" player with a 6'10" wingspan?
Yeah, illogical. |
Yea, pretty sure I said it was reported to be 7'4 to 7'7...
COnsidering Simmons is avg those stats against tier 2 teams and losing half his games, even though he is the next Lebron.
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You're not a source, brah.
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