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| Wilt wrote: | | Considering that he will own all of the three point records when his career is done, it's only right that he has the single game record, too. So if it has to be broken, it should be him. There's something wrong that Donyel Marshall, of all people, is tied with Kobe. |
That's a more extreme version of Skiles holding the single game assist record. |
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| SuperboyReformed wrote: | | eureca wrote: | | 2nd time Curry has had 11 threes effortlessly. I don't really get too worked up when Curry gets close to Kobe's record. Its just a matter of time till he breaks it. If Curry's teammates tried harder to get him the record tonight he would have got it. |
waaay too much credit being given to curry in what you said. the whole reason why he is in this position is because his teammates are doing everything they can to get him these shots. you make it sound like it's his teammates fault he didn't hit more threes or something. the truth is that if his teammates didn't try even this hard, he would not even get those shots off. go look at the replays when they are available.
curry can't be the goat (yet) because he needs way more help for his success compared to guys like mj, kobe, wilt, magic, larry. he will (or someone on this warrior team most likely break the 3point record. and when he does, you have to factor in that when kobe set that record, the 3point shooting culture was not where it is now.
just wait until durant comes. there will be no more talk about curry being the goat. it will have to move to durant, which will make a lot more sense. |
You should take your own advice and go look at the replays of Curry's game versus highlights of Kobe's 12 made game. Kobe's were easier shots. Several were on kick outs from Shaq. Others were just open shots. Others were taken dribbling off a screen, just like Curry does. Players were more concerned with Kobe driving, so he was given more space just to rise up and shoot. It was a phenomenal feat for Kobe, but everyone plays Curry to prevent the 3. They can't. His shots were harder. He was guarded more closely. He took many of them further out. He hit one off a cross over. He hit another on a step back. Curry has quite a ways to go to challenge Kobe overall as a player, but Curry is a way better shooter from distance. |
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| MIZ83 wrote: | | SuperboyReformed wrote: | | eureca wrote: | | 2nd time Curry has had 11 threes effortlessly. I don't really get too worked up when Curry gets close to Kobe's record. Its just a matter of time till he breaks it. If Curry's teammates tried harder to get him the record tonight he would have got it. |
waaay too much credit being given to curry in what you said. the whole reason why he is in this position is because his teammates are doing everything they can to get him these shots. you make it sound like it's his teammates fault he didn't hit more threes or something. the truth is that if his teammates didn't try even this hard, he would not even get those shots off. go look at the replays when they are available.
curry can't be the goat (yet) because he needs way more help for his success compared to guys like mj, kobe, wilt, magic, larry. he will (or someone on this warrior team most likely break the 3point record. and when he does, you have to factor in that when kobe set that record, the 3point shooting culture was not where it is now.
just wait until durant comes. there will be no more talk about curry being the goat. it will have to move to durant, which will make a lot more sense. |
You should take your own advice and go look at the replays of Curry's game versus highlights of Kobe's 12 made game. Kobe's were easier shots. Several were on kick outs from Shaq. Others were just open shots. Others were taken dribbling off a screen, just like Curry does. Players were more concerned with Kobe driving, so he was given more space just to rise up and shoot. It was a phenomenal feat for Kobe, but everyone plays Curry to prevent the 3. They can't. His shots were harder. He was guarded more closely. He took many of them further out. He hit one off a cross over. He hit another on a step back. Curry has quite a ways to go to challenge Kobe overall as a player, but Curry is a way better shooter from distance. |
You're right. But go back to Kobe in I believe 06 when he first came out in the leggings. That Kobe was shooting in-your-face-3-pointers like Curry from ridiculous distance. I believe he had 8 in a game vs Denver and 7 in a game vs Utah. They were all utterly ridiculous 3s. |
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| Snipes wrote: | | MIZ83 wrote: | | SuperboyReformed wrote: | | eureca wrote: | | 2nd time Curry has had 11 threes effortlessly. I don't really get too worked up when Curry gets close to Kobe's record. Its just a matter of time till he breaks it. If Curry's teammates tried harder to get him the record tonight he would have got it. |
waaay too much credit being given to curry in what you said. the whole reason why he is in this position is because his teammates are doing everything they can to get him these shots. you make it sound like it's his teammates fault he didn't hit more threes or something. the truth is that if his teammates didn't try even this hard, he would not even get those shots off. go look at the replays when they are available.
curry can't be the goat (yet) because he needs way more help for his success compared to guys like mj, kobe, wilt, magic, larry. he will (or someone on this warrior team most likely break the 3point record. and when he does, you have to factor in that when kobe set that record, the 3point shooting culture was not where it is now.
just wait until durant comes. there will be no more talk about curry being the goat. it will have to move to durant, which will make a lot more sense. |
You should take your own advice and go look at the replays of Curry's game versus highlights of Kobe's 12 made game. Kobe's were easier shots. Several were on kick outs from Shaq. Others were just open shots. Others were taken dribbling off a screen, just like Curry does. Players were more concerned with Kobe driving, so he was given more space just to rise up and shoot. It was a phenomenal feat for Kobe, but everyone plays Curry to prevent the 3. They can't. His shots were harder. He was guarded more closely. He took many of them further out. He hit one off a cross over. He hit another on a step back. Curry has quite a ways to go to challenge Kobe overall as a player, but Curry is a way better shooter from distance. |
You're right. But go back to Kobe in I believe 06 when he first came out in the leggings. That Kobe was shooting in-your-face-3-pointers like Curry from ridiculous distance. I believe he had 8 in a game vs Denver and 7 in a game vs Utah. They were all utterly ridiculous 3s. |
Kobe was a ridiculous shot maker. I loved watching Kobe. I agree that when he got hot, he hit insane shots. I just get tired of SBR's non-stop narrative of Curry only makes shots because of the system. Curry hits insane shots, also. That is why he has so many fans. Kobe was more of a threat to go to the basket, so he was given more space, and with his greater physical gifts, he could just rise up more easily, yet he hit a much lower percentage. Curry has to make more moves off the dribble to hit his shots. I think a greater percentage of his shots are difficult, yet he shoots a higher percentage. Does that mean that Curry is better than Kobe? Not overall. Curry would need to win a lot more championships even to start that discussion. It simply means that he is an insane weapon from distance - better than Kobe at that. I think one has to be incredibly stubborn and a homer not to admit that. They are totally different players. I don't know why SBR wants to create a Kobe vs. Curry dichotomy. They don't even play a similar position. |
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I'll say this for Kobe, and I'll even say it for Donyell, we had 3 seasons of a 22 foot arc and 12 was never achieved and everyone and their mother was shooting treys because of it. Popeye "Sloth" Jones was shooting 3s. Dennis Scott was a 3pt specialist and he never got 12.
So, although Steph is most likely gonna reach 13 if he wants it (I guess you could hope that he's superstitious about landing on 13), Kobz and Donyell held a peach of a record that stood for over a decade and who knows when Steph will break it. Neither of them were long distance specialists. I think Kobe's guns that year might have been the difference. He wasn't just hitting net that year, he was pinging shots in on the back of the iron, like 1993 Mike. Yep, like Mike, sorry guys. He was beast mode Kobe that year. Great shh to watch, that was a boring ass season before that. People forget we were at .500 this time (early Feb) that season.
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| non-player zealot wrote: | I'll say this for Kobe, and I'll even say it for Donyell, we had 3 seasons of a 22 foot arc and 12 was never achieved and everyone and their mother was shooting treys because of it. Dennis Scott was a 3pt specialist and he never got 12.
So, although Steph is most likely gonna reach 13 if he wants it (I guess you could hope that he's superstitious about landing on 13), but Kobz and Donyell held a peach of a record that stood for over a decade and who knows when Steph will break it. Neither of them were long distance specialists. I think Kobe's guns that year might have been the difference. He wasn't just hitting net that year, he was pinging shots in on the back of the iron, like Mike did (yes, like Mike). He was beast mode that year. |
No doubt, it is an amazing record. Props to Kobe and Marshall. Who knows if it will, in fact, be broken? The thing with such records is that if you hit 9 or 10 threes, usually you are blowing out the other team. That is why it was a legitimate opportunity for Steph vs. the Wiz, because it was still a game in the 4Q. But the Wiz were giving up layups at the end, and Curry made winning plays vs. going for a record. Probably the one who easily could have broken the record was Klay Thompson on the night he hit for 37 in the 3Q vs Sac. He had 11 threes, but only came in briefly in the 4th to see if he was going to keep going off. But he sat out most of the 4Q. They were far ahead at that point. The W's didn't try to get him the record. Had they just played him for most of the 4th in garbage time, I can't imagine that he doesn't get it. But they had bigger goals as a team, as they do this year. |
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| MIZ83 wrote: | | non-player zealot wrote: | I'll say this for Kobe, and I'll even say it for Donyell, we had 3 seasons of a 22 foot arc and 12 was never achieved and everyone and their mother was shooting treys because of it. Dennis Scott was a 3pt specialist and he never got 12.
So, although Steph is most likely gonna reach 13 if he wants it (I guess you could hope that he's superstitious about landing on 13), but Kobz and Donyell held a peach of a record that stood for over a decade and who knows when Steph will break it. Neither of them were long distance specialists. I think Kobe's guns that year might have been the difference. He wasn't just hitting net that year, he was pinging shots in on the back of the iron, like Mike did (yes, like Mike). He was beast mode that year. |
No doubt, it is an amazing record. Props to Kobe and Marshall. Who knows if it will, in fact, be broken? The thing with such records is that if you hit 9 or 10 threes, usually you are blowing out the other team. That is why it was a legitimate opportunity for Steph vs. the Wiz, because it was still a game in the 4Q. But the Wiz were giving up layups at the end, and Curry made winning plays vs. going for a record. Probably the one who easily could have broken the record was Klay Thompson on the night he hit for 37 in the 3Q vs Sac. He had 11 threes, but only came in briefly in the 4th to see if he was going to keep going off. But he sat out most of the 4Q. They were far ahead at that point. The W's didn't try to get him the record. Had they just played him for most of the 4th in garbage time, I can't imagine that he doesn't get it. But they had bigger goals as a team, as they do this year. |
thank you, peezy for that point. I was going to bring it up myself a while ago, but i hesitated. It's hard to say that stuff around here without sounding like a Curry hater.
When I saw the 3point happy NBA starting a year or two ago, I already mentioned that I expect Thompson or Curry to break it. They have the most chance because of the system they are running, they are going to be getting the best looks. Someone else may break it also, but there is less probability. I can see someone on the spurs like a green maybe. I expect this record to be broken within 2 years.
Things to remember about Kobe's record:
it was totally unexpected
nobody was really gunning for it like they are now
he's the only record holder that is also a superstar, and not just any superstar like ray allen
he is NOT a 3point spcialist
people say lebron is a better 3point shooter due to efficiency and percentages
curry is a specialist
it will (probably) take a specialist, in the most 3point happy times, to break it
just to clarify, it will take history's greatest 3point shooter, playing on the most amazing 3point team which is eclipsing the bulls 72 win season, to break kobe's 3point record...and kobe is not considered a 3point specialist, and lebron is better.
shout out to shaq...before this era, it's no surprise that shaq's teammate was holding the record. i hope people don't run with this thinking "See?! Having shaq is better than curry's teammates and system. Curry is doing it by himself, imagine if he had shaq." no, in curry's case, his situation is far more advantageous for him.
also, since you brought it up...
the hitting the back iron thing. a lot of ballers consider that to be a more satisfying shot than a swish. It has nothing to do with the logic of it or actually being a better shot. it makes a nice, loud sound. it's satisfying for the shooter to watch the shot shoot down quickly after hitting the iron. the ball tends to bounce back to the shooter at a nice pace, so it is great for rhythm. |
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Wellp, we're tied now. The chore of him reaching 12 took all of 25 days since CMB's post. Matter of time before it's 13+. They say he's the first to have two straight 10+ trey games.
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| SuperboyReformed wrote: | | MIZ83 wrote: | | non-player zealot wrote: | I'll say this for Kobe, and I'll even say it for Donyell, we had 3 seasons of a 22 foot arc and 12 was never achieved and everyone and their mother was shooting treys because of it. Dennis Scott was a 3pt specialist and he never got 12.
So, although Steph is most likely gonna reach 13 if he wants it (I guess you could hope that he's superstitious about landing on 13), but Kobz and Donyell held a peach of a record that stood for over a decade and who knows when Steph will break it. Neither of them were long distance specialists. I think Kobe's guns that year might have been the difference. He wasn't just hitting net that year, he was pinging shots in on the back of the iron, like Mike did (yes, like Mike). He was beast mode that year. |
No doubt, it is an amazing record. Props to Kobe and Marshall. Who knows if it will, in fact, be broken? The thing with such records is that if you hit 9 or 10 threes, usually you are blowing out the other team. That is why it was a legitimate opportunity for Steph vs. the Wiz, because it was still a game in the 4Q. But the Wiz were giving up layups at the end, and Curry made winning plays vs. going for a record. Probably the one who easily could have broken the record was Klay Thompson on the night he hit for 37 in the 3Q vs Sac. He had 11 threes, but only came in briefly in the 4th to see if he was going to keep going off. But he sat out most of the 4Q. They were far ahead at that point. The W's didn't try to get him the record. Had they just played him for most of the 4th in garbage time, I can't imagine that he doesn't get it. But they had bigger goals as a team, as they do this year. |
thank you, peezy for that point. I was going to bring it up myself a while ago, but i hesitated. It's hard to say that stuff around here without sounding like a Curry hater.
When I saw the 3point happy NBA starting a year or two ago, I already mentioned that I expect Thompson or Curry to break it. They have the most chance because of the system they are running, they are going to be getting the best looks. Someone else may break it also, but there is less probability. I can see someone on the spurs like a green maybe. I expect this record to be broken within 2 years.
Things to remember about Kobe's record:
it was totally unexpected
nobody was really gunning for it like they are now
he's the only record holder that is also a superstar, and not just any superstar like ray allen
he is NOT a 3point spcialist
people say lebron is a better 3point shooter due to efficiency and percentages
curry is a specialist
it will (probably) take a specialist, in the most 3point happy times, to break it
just to clarify, it will take history's greatest 3point shooter, playing on the most amazing 3point team which is eclipsing the bulls 72 win season, to break kobe's 3point record...and kobe is not considered a 3point specialist, and lebron is better.
shout out to shaq...before this era, it's no surprise that shaq's teammate was holding the record. i hope people don't run with this thinking "See?! Having shaq is better than curry's teammates and system. Curry is doing it by himself, imagine if he had shaq." no, in curry's case, his situation is far more advantageous for him.
also, since you brought it up...
the hitting the back iron thing. a lot of ballers consider that to be a more satisfying shot than a swish. It has nothing to do with the logic of it or actually being a better shot. it makes a nice, loud sound. it's satisfying for the shooter to watch the shot shoot down quickly after hitting the iron. the ball tends to bounce back to the shooter at a nice pace, so it is great for rhythm. |
Not a particularly important record. This is getting attention around here because of who one of the record holders is. I mean, do people care that Mark Whiten holds the major record of 12 RBI's in a game? Not really. But Kobe is famous, and plays for a famous team.
Unexpected is another way of saying luck. But that doesn't mean it wasn't an awesome game. However, it's way more impressive when someone can nail 8, 9, 10 threes repeatedly and consecutively. I heard Curry is 22 of his last 31 from distance. And this is with defenses actually expecting it, thus preparing for it.
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I think the consecutive treys made (in 1 or more games) is also 13. Brent Price. Not Mark Price or Brent Barry, but Brent Price. That's a question mark whether Steph breaks that one.
I knew Dana Barros once held the 1 or more treys in N-straight games record back in the 90s because I remember the Knicks being the team that "went there" and flew at him like it was Gm7 of the Finals.
I agree, Nevitt-Smrek (the anti-Chuck & Mike), that those are obscurities. It takes a mind as demented as mine to remember that kinda sh. I believe I could've graduated from Dartmouth if I hadn't devoted so many millions of neurons to Sedale Threatt memories.
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| Cutheon wrote: | | Dat overtime tho |
I C U, Cuth. I C U. 
I have Steph's first ever preseason gm in the league. Who against?... LAKES! Ron's debut with us. Drew's return from the knee woes. Shan with a stoopid dunk that made all the hi-lites? Laker fans extrapolating a 72 win season from said game's results?
We played GS at the Forum, too. Kobe and Steph Jax went at it.
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| non-player zealot wrote: | I think the consecutive treys made (in 1 or more games) is also 13. Brent Price. Not Mark Price or Brent Barry, but Brent Price. That's a question mark whether Steph breaks that one.
I knew Dana Barros once held the 1 or more treys in N-straight games record back in the 90s because I remember the Knicks being the team that "went there" and flew at him like it was Gm7 of the Finals.
I agree, Nevitt-Smrek (the anti-Chuck & Mike), that those are obscurities. It takes a mind as demented as mine to remember that kinda sh. I believe I could've graduated from Dartmouth if I hadn't devoted so many millions of neurons to Sedale Threatt memories. |
I doubt he could break that one. He doesn't shoot that many open shots. Klay, on the other hand, could do it. He was well on the way last year in the 37 point quarter. |
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The corner threes are too easy. Should alter the line so that it doesn't extend there - a lesser arc.
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| MIZ83 wrote: | | non-player zealot wrote: | I think the consecutive treys made (in 1 or more games) is also 13. Brent Price. Not Mark Price or Brent Barry, but Brent Price. That's a question mark whether Steph breaks that one.
I knew Dana Barros once held the 1 or more treys in N-straight games record back in the 90s because I remember the Knicks being the team that "went there" and flew at him like it was Gm7 of the Finals.
I agree, Nevitt-Smrek (the anti-Chuck & Mike), that those are obscurities. It takes a mind as demented as mine to remember that kinda sh. I believe I could've graduated from Dartmouth if I hadn't devoted so many millions of neurons to Sedale Threatt memories. |
I doubt he could break that one. He doesn't shoot that many open shots. Klay, on the other hand, could do it. He was well on the way last year in the 37 point quarter. |
I'm gonna say 13 in a row would be difficult for him, but I may think that way only because it never looks like he's in the zone. He's that nonchalant. Bird was nonchalant, too, but you could tell he was zonin' when he scored 60 vs Hawks. Jordan will hold the 30ppg career record forever, but you knew he was zonin' when he scored 69 at Cavs because he was hitting jumpers and converting all of his drives, too. In those daze, he was more a relentless driver. Even Johnny Kerr was reacting with surprise after Nth jumpshot. Kobe's zone was a little tougher to detect, but you could generally tell he was on when he was getting rim level scores and was hot from the arc. A mixture in other words, but even in-game, he could go on mega bursts from quarter to quarter. I think vs Wizards at Staples in 2002/03 was what his zone looked like. You can tell me if I'm off re: Kobe, you probably have a theory on this yourself.
I don't know if we've actually seen a zone performance from Curry yet. When he hits those 40 foot pull ups and halfcourt shots, those ARE shots that he practices incessantly (probably), therefore, to him, it's muscle memory and to everyone else, they're amazing shots.
So...what the hell a zone performance for him would even look like is hard to fathom. I think Price was able to hit 13 straight because he and his brother had perfect shooting form, but mostly because he didn't average 10 attempted treys a night. If anyone IS gonna hit 13 in a row, it might be easier to chip away at it in 3-4 games. At least in his shooting prime, I doubt he'll have a lot of opportunities to break it up like that. Hitting 13 in a row in 1-2 gms is a pretty tall task for even the Top 1% of long distance shooters (aka the guys Bernie wants to tax more heavily).
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| nevitt_smrek wrote: | | The corner threes are too easy. Should alter the line so that it doesn't extend there - a lesser arc. |
If players of today find it such an efficient and easy shot, why they gonna keep the arc at the same position it was in in 1980 when hardly anyone shot em at all? Makes little rational sense, no? If anything, we saw em try to inflate scoring in the rough mid 90s era by moving it in to uniform 22 feet. (Cavs, Hawks, Celts, Knicks = putrid, Cavs avg'd 89 points in 1995, lowest modern avg, 7 Finals gms in 1994, all 14 scores below 100, many below 90). "Easiness" or at least the comfort at which shooters view the trey these days has made it into a game of dunks and 3s. Pendulum seems to me to be too far to the opposite side of aesthetically pleasing. No room for a midrange game makes the game less interesting to watch, imo, regardless of how efficient the trey is by statistical arguments.
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| non-player zealot wrote: | | nevitt_smrek wrote: | | The corner threes are too easy. Should alter the line so that it doesn't extend there - a lesser arc. |
If players of today find it such an efficient and easy shot, why they gonna keep the arc at the same position it was in in 1980 when hardly anyone shot em at all? Makes little rational sense, no? If anything, we saw em try to inflate scoring in the rough mid 90s era by moving it in to uniform 22 feet. (Cavs, Hawks, Celts, Knicks = putrid, Cavs avg'd 89 points in 1995, lowest modern avg, 7 Finals gms in 1994, all 14 scores below 100, many below 90). "Easiness" or at least the comfort at which shooters view the trey these days has made it into a game of dunks and 3s. Pendulum seems to me to be too far to the opposite side of aesthetically pleasing. No room for a midrange game makes the game less interesting to watch, imo, regardless of how efficient the trey is by statistical arguments. |
As with many things, we're in sync on this, NPZ. I understand the math. But I do like more variety in offensive games. I like when there are great drivers on the floor. And great three-point shooters. And great post-up players. And great midrange guys. And guys who fill the lane on the break instead of drifting off to the 3-point line. The game today can get a bit monotonous, with the constant drives and kicks. You throw it to a guy in the post and he might be all by himself but he'll throw it right back out behind the line. I mean if James Worthy was playing today would we even see the swooping flick dunks or would he just be going out to the 3-point line like every other player in the league. This isn't an old man rant. I love watching the game. But it's just a wish for a bit more variety, because it's only going to get worse (worse from my perspective).
Just comparing the GREAT Warriors offense to, oh, one that comes to mind, uh, Showtime. Again, this is just me. Nothing to do with stats. But Golden State is awesome because of their passing and shooting, etc. But even with them, there's not a ton of variety outside of great shots, great drives, great passes (and that's all great!). But with those Lakers you could watch the skyhook. You could watch Magic in the post, Magic going coast-to-coast or Magic with the little push-shot jumper. You could watch Worthy's unstoppable footwork in the paint and the dunks on the break. You had Coop and Byron Scott taking the occasional jumper or Byron coming off screens to knock one down. You had one of the egreat midrange shooters ever in McAdoo knocking down 15-footers. You had AC Green fumbling passes and blowing assists. So much variety. Just for me, from an aesthetics viewoint, I enjoy that more (same thing with the Celts of those years).
Speaking of old men though, sort of related to Oscar's rant...
I think it's dumb for old players or whoever to talk about what they would do *today* to stop Curry. The best minds and players in the game can't do it; Coop playing today would have just as much trouble (that said, and, I guess, to completely go against my point, I do think if the 2015 Cavs can slow down Curry in the Finals, it's not a stretch to speculate about what the 1990 Pistons could have done). But I don't think it's unfair at all to point out differences in eras. So often when we try and compare eras, we say things like, well, Russell wouldn't be as good today. Wilt wouldn't be as good. West, Magic, whoever. But only the guys labeled as bitter really talk about it the other way and that's usually only when they talk about how a current player would handle a Rick Mahorn elbow or something. I do think it's legit, though, to simply say of course Steph Curry would not be Steph Curry if he played in 1965. If he didn't grow up in that time and didn't have the 3-pointer. Even if he played in 1984, he wouldn't be what he is, because the game didn't revolve around the 3. So if we're going to talk about how pace or the style of the day affected Oscar's triple-double season -- and plenty of people do that when trying to put things in perspective -- there's nothing wrong with doing the same with Curry. Yes, his numbers are insane but it's also a product of his era's style. And it is wondrous and awesome and incredible. I just hope in 40 years people aren't using the era to denigrate him. To understand the numbers, yes. But don't use it to belittle a player, the way some folks do with players who played long ago. |
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| non-player zealot wrote: | | nevitt_smrek wrote: | | The corner threes are too easy. Should alter the line so that it doesn't extend there - a lesser arc. |
If players of today find it such an efficient and easy shot, why they gonna keep the arc at the same position it was in in 1980 when hardly anyone shot em at all? Makes little rational sense, no? If anything, we saw em try to inflate scoring in the rough mid 90s era by moving it in to uniform 22 feet. (Cavs, Hawks, Celts, Knicks = putrid, Cavs avg'd 89 points in 1995, lowest modern avg, 7 Finals gms in 1994, all 14 scores below 100, many below 90). "Easiness" or at least the comfort at which shooters view the trey these days has made it into a game of dunks and 3s. Pendulum seems to me to be too far to the opposite side of aesthetically pleasing. No room for a midrange game makes the game less interesting to watch, imo, regardless of how efficient the trey is by statistical arguments. |
I'd be a proponent if they re-drew the line. Instead of curving and extending towards the baseline, just have it end somewhere along the sideline.
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