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ChickenStu Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 2:12 am Post subject: |
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Of course Denver's defense had something to do with this, but...Carolina was just awful. They really played a bad game. It was clear early that they were playing tight and nervous. On Carolina's first series, Cam missed a simple throw that would have been an easy first down; no one was near the guy. On the second series was the Cotchery bobbled play where he never should have bobbled that so badly in the first place (I still think it was a catch, but it should have been an easy catch). They took penalties on punt returns that hurt their field position. They had false start penalties. They got the ball near midfield down only 3, proceeded to go 3-and-out, and then watched in horror as their punter not only got off a terribly short kick, but then their punt cover men didn't bother to make a tackle. They were just off, as if overcome by the occasion. And despite their horrible first half, they were still down only 13-7 at the half, and receiving the 2nd half kickoff.
And then Cotchery dropped a ball down the right sideline that would have made it first and goal at the 2. He catches that, and it's highly likely that Carolina goes up 14-13. They could have exhaled a bit and finally been ahead, with Denver having to play catch up. That was the biggest play of the game IMO. They were chasing the game, always, and if he catches that, they wouldn't have been. |
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I mean a part of the ball touched the ground and then the ball came loose, I don't see why there is rage. You can't deny these facts. Which means that's not a catch. _________________ A banana is killed every time a terrible thread or post is made. Save the bananas. Stop creating terrible posts! |
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 8:19 am Post subject: |
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I mean a part of the ball touched the ground and then the ball came loose, I don't see why there is rage. You can't deny these facts. Which means that's not a catch. |
Yeah, I don't understand it either. It's a textbook case. It was called incomplete on the field. He never had control of the ball before going to the ground (the football move that is required to establish control) and the ball touches the ground and he never even really had it after that.
You can't overturn that call with that video evidence. That's the way the rule works, and it worked there. |
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Ted Ginn and his butterfingers. _________________ (❍ᴥ❍ʋ) ʕʘᴥʘʔ (⌐ ͡■ ͜ʖ ͡■) (┛◉Д◉)┛( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ༼;´༎ຶ ༎ຶ༽ |
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when i saw Cam Newton celebrated after the NFC championship game, i said to myself wow, that reminded me of how Iverson celebrated after winning the east title in 2001, and both ended up losing in the final round. i'm just not a big fan of this kind of celebration i don't care if it's a culture thing, the task isn't done, why celebrating like a bunch of fools? |
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ChickenStu wrote: | Of course Denver's defense had something to do with this, but...Carolina was just awful. They really played a bad game. It was clear early that they were playing tight and nervous. On Carolina's first series, Cam missed a simple throw that would have been an easy first down; no one was near the guy. On the second series was the Cotchery bobbled play where he never should have bobbled that so badly in the first place (I still think it was a catch, but it should have been an easy catch). They took penalties on punt returns that hurt their field position. They had false start penalties. They got the ball near midfield down only 3, proceeded to go 3-and-out, and then watched in horror as their punter not only got off a terribly short kick, but then their punt cover men didn't bother to make a tackle. They were just off, as if overcome by the occasion. And despite their horrible first half, they were still down only 13-7 at the half, and receiving the 2nd half kickoff.
And then Cotchery dropped a ball down the right sideline that would have made it first and goal at the 2. He catches that, and it's highly likely that Carolina goes up 14-13. They could have exhaled a bit and finally been ahead, with Denver having to play catch up. That was the biggest play of the game IMO. They were chasing the game, always, and if he catches that, they wouldn't have been. |
Carolina never got into any offensive rhythm. Broncos gave them trouble all night long. This was the same defense that gave the Patriots fits in the AFC championship game. When the defense puts some much pressure the QB is bound to panic or make mistakes. |
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The game was lost on the front line of Carolina, which is why Cam couldn't find open receivers or later in the game, couldn't find a running lane and later didn't fall onto that fumble. Cam's physically tough, but after getting sacked and hit repeatedly, he pretty much checked himself out of the game psychologically.
Carolina really needs to land a quality LT in the first round, as Michael Oher of "The Blind Side" fame was absolutely demolished by Ware. The RT Remmers should get a share of the Super Bowl MVP money from Von Miller, as he was an absolute turnstile. |
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Nnamdi21 Star Player
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I mean a part of the ball touched the ground and then the ball came loose, I don't see why there is rage. You can't deny these facts. Which means that's not a catch. |
I think its a catch. this is a better video. his thumb looks like its under the ball
https://youtu.be/OxEAZlWdtzw |
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DaMuleRules Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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Nnamdi21 wrote: | USCandLakers wrote: |
I mean a part of the ball touched the ground and then the ball came loose, I don't see why there is rage. You can't deny these facts. Which means that's not a catch. |
I think its a catch. this is a better video. his thumb looks like its under the ball
https://youtu.be/OxEAZlWdtzw |
Even if one feels the ball never touched the ground, he never had control of the ball. It is constantly shifting around. More importantly, you can't overturn the call on the field with that questionable evidence. |
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Nnamdi21 Star Player
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DaMuleRules wrote: | Nnamdi21 wrote: | USCandLakers wrote: |
I mean a part of the ball touched the ground and then the ball came loose, I don't see why there is rage. You can't deny these facts. Which means that's not a catch. |
I think its a catch. this is a better video. his thumb looks like its under the ball
https://youtu.be/OxEAZlWdtzw |
Even if one feels the ball never touched the ground, he never had control of the ball. It is constantly shifting around. More importantly, you can't overturn the call on the field with that questionable evidence. |
hmmm If the ball never touched the ground then he eventually got full control of the ball and it was a complete catch. The video displays that clearly. A player can bobble the ball all the way to the endzone and at the last second have control and it would be ruled a catch. Not sure where you got that he never had control of the ball even if one feels the ball never touched the ground from. |
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DaMuleRules Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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Nnamdi21 wrote: | DaMuleRules wrote: | Nnamdi21 wrote: | USCandLakers wrote: |
I mean a part of the ball touched the ground and then the ball came loose, I don't see why there is rage. You can't deny these facts. Which means that's not a catch. |
I think its a catch. this is a better video. his thumb looks like its under the ball
https://youtu.be/OxEAZlWdtzw |
Even if one feels the ball never touched the ground, he never had control of the ball. It is constantly shifting around. More importantly, you can't overturn the call on the field with that questionable evidence. |
hmmm If the ball never touched the ground then he eventually got full control of the ball and it was a complete catch. The video displays that clearly. A player can bobble the ball all the way to the endzone and at the last second have control and it would be ruled a catch. Not sure where you got that he never had control of the ball even if one feels the ball never touched the ground from. |
He never had complete control and more importantly didn't make the football move before going to the ground while juggling the ball.
And again. Not enough evidence to overturn the call on the field. |
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Nnamdi21 Star Player
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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DaMuleRules wrote: | Nnamdi21 wrote: | DaMuleRules wrote: | Nnamdi21 wrote: | USCandLakers wrote: |
I mean a part of the ball touched the ground and then the ball came loose, I don't see why there is rage. You can't deny these facts. Which means that's not a catch. |
I think its a catch. this is a better video. his thumb looks like its under the ball
https://youtu.be/OxEAZlWdtzw |
Even if one feels the ball never touched the ground, he never had control of the ball. It is constantly shifting around. More importantly, you can't overturn the call on the field with that questionable evidence. |
hmmm If the ball never touched the ground then he eventually got full control of the ball and it was a complete catch. The video displays that clearly. A player can bobble the ball all the way to the endzone and at the last second have control and it would be ruled a catch. Not sure where you got that he never had control of the ball even if one feels the ball never touched the ground from. |
He never had complete control and more importantly didn't make the football move before going to the ground while juggling the ball.
And again. Not enough evidence to overturn the call on the field. |
Well I'm talking about the people who think the ball never hit the ground. It was a catch. He had full control because the ball never hit the ground. The Football move term is used when the ball comes out before a player makes a football move and then its either a fumble or incomplete pass. This has nothing to do with that |
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Yeah, I thought it was a catch, because I don't think the ball touched the ground. I can live with the replay ruling, though, because it is at least possible that the ball did touch the ground. "Stands" would be a defensible call either way. |
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Aeneas Hunter wrote: | Yeah, I thought it was a catch, because I don't think the ball touched the ground. I can live with the replay ruling, though, because it is at least possible that the ball did touch the ground. "Stands" would be a defensible call either way. |
I thought it was a catch at first. One of the replays revealed the tip of the ball hit the ground. I didn't see the ball move when it hit. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
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oasisdude77 Star Player
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It was a catch. Just ridiculous that it was reviewed and still ruled not a catch. The ball never hit the ground.
Sucks because it completely changed the landscape of the game with the defensive touchdown the next play. |
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Demarcus Ware will appear on Kimmel tonight kind of odd that Von Miller the MVP isn't in Disneyland(that's where Peyton is) or doing these interviews isn't that what the MVP does? |
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ChickenStu wrote: | Of course Denver's defense had something to do with this, but...Carolina was just awful. They really played a bad game. It was clear early that they were playing tight and nervous. On Carolina's first series, Cam missed a simple throw that would have been an easy first down; no one was near the guy. On the second series was the Cotchery bobbled play where he never should have bobbled that so badly in the first place (I still think it was a catch, but it should have been an easy catch). They took penalties on punt returns that hurt their field position. They had false start penalties. They got the ball near midfield down only 3, proceeded to go 3-and-out, and then watched in horror as their punter not only got off a terribly short kick, but then their punt cover men didn't bother to make a tackle. They were just off, as if overcome by the occasion. And despite their horrible first half, they were still down only 13-7 at the half, and receiving the 2nd half kickoff.
And then Cotchery dropped a ball down the right sideline that would have made it first and goal at the 2. He catches that, and it's highly likely that Carolina goes up 14-13. They could have exhaled a bit and finally been ahead, with Denver having to play catch up. That was the biggest play of the game IMO. They were chasing the game, always, and if he catches that, they wouldn't have been. |
Exactly. Way too many mistakes on Carolina's part.
I was absolutely shocked for instance when Tolbert fumbled, he never does that in big moments but did it in the biggest moment.
Cam missed throws he normally makes with ease and sulked too much after bad plays for my liking.
Carolina's receivers were terrible for the most part with the exception of Olsen who Denver focused on and controlled.
Bad time for Carolina to play their worst game of the year, I thought Rivera got outcoached pretty obviously. _________________ Love, Laker Lanny |
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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DaMuleRules wrote: |
Even if one feels the ball never touched the ground, he never had control of the ball. It is constantly shifting around. More importantly, you can't overturn the call on the field with that questionable evidence. |
This just shows how confusing the "catch" rules have become in the NFL.
To me, it is a catch if the ball never touches the ground no matter how much the ball "moves" but apparently I am referencing a rule from another era. _________________ Love, Laker Lanny |
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I said going in that if the Broncos could rush for 100 yards their defense would get enough rest to be dominant. They didn't quite get there but were close. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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