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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 9:12 pm    Post subject:

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The lack of quality drafting and PP Management for several years was apparent. The coaching in Minnesota over several seasons now has a cumulative effect of having stalled the development of the remaining young players.

The culture there is lacking direction. Adelman resisted developing young guys. Saunders was ill off and on for some time, and has since died. The coaching staff and front office are wholly unsettled there, qualitatively and quantitatively.

Wiggins seems one of the extreme cases of having suffered a setback from the club's loss of direction, but then again he is a pure scorer (20 ppg) even now. He was a raw player coming into the draft. I hope that club finds its way over time.


That might be a good landing spot for Luke.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 9:20 pm    Post subject:

Thanks for the stats GT, interesting that Okafor and Russell's post up PPP are very similar. Great stat for DLO.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 9:23 pm    Post subject:

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I don't think it's anywhere near the 2003 draft, but it's maybe the deepest draft we've seen in years. You could see more all-stars in this draft than any in recent years. However the 2003 draft had franchise players, multiple guys who won as a the man. I don't think this draft has that Lebron or Wade (prime) level alpha #1 player. And forget that, come on, just having a Lebron in a draft makes it way more special.

So yes extremely deep, maybe will contend for the draft with most all-stars, but disagree it rivals 2003.


I think we're saying the same thing in different ways. cant elaborate too much at the moment. But I think the median talent in this years draft is higher than 2003. But if you calculated how dominant the 2003 stars are. Maybe the 2003 class has higher mean talent.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 10:36 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 3:50 pm    Post subject:

The recency bias with Devin Booker is getting a little strong.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2016 6:58 am    Post subject:

So Towns won the skills challenge?
So cool !

The NBA bigman era is about to get a whole new meaning. Cousins, Anthony Davis, Towns, the Unicorn, Jah. These guys will be here a while and they're not going to let the guards get all the attention. We may not have a dominant low post scorer, but right now I'm just waiting/hoping one of the guys I mentioned get paired up with a young perimeter player all-star guad in prime. Get some damn balance in this league .... too much talk centered around the 3 ball, re-creating the splash brothers (which is unrealistic to recreate).

BTW I like Drummond a ton - since his rookie year talked him up - he doesn't belong in that list, because his offense is very very limited, but he's also a major impact player, unfortunately too much of a role player on offense IMO. Likely a 3rd option on a championship caliber team.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2016 7:58 am    Post subject:

dood23 wrote:
The recency bias with Devin Booker is getting a little strong.


particularly when Randle is left out of that. Cause by "recency bias" he'd be just as deserving if not more so.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:04 am    Post subject:

Class of '15, On Court/Off Court (per 100 possessions)

Kristaps Porzingis..........+7.5
Justise Winslow.............+5.5
D'Angelo Russell............+3.1
Willie Cauley-Stein.........+3.0
Karl-Anthony Towns.......+1.1
Mario Hezonja................-0.5
Frank Kaminsky..............-0.5
Emmanuel Mudiay...........-0.6
Larry Nance....................-1.2
Trey Lyles.......................-3.2
Devin Booker..................-4.1
Stanley Johnson..............-5.0
Myles Turner...................-6.5
Cameron Payne.............-10.6
Jahlil Okafor..................-11.6
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:06 am    Post subject:

GoldenThroat wrote:
Class of '15, On Court/Off Court (per 100 possessions)

Kristaps Porzingis..........+7.5
Justise Winslow.............+5.5
D'Angelo Russell............+3.1
Willie Cauley-Stein.........+3.0
Karl-Anthony Towns.......+1.1
Mario Hezonja................-0.5
Frank Kaminsky..............-0.5
Emmanuel Mudiay...........-0.6
Larry Nance....................-1.2
Trey Lyles.......................-3.2
Devin Booker..................-4.1
Stanley Johnson..............-5.0
Myles Turner...................-6.5
Cameron Payne.............-10.6
Jahlil Okafor..................-11.6


I want to say you're on a crusade to cut down the Oak tree...but seems he's doing it himself.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:25 am    Post subject:

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I want to say you're on a crusade to cut down the Oak tree...but seems he's doing it himself.


Okafor wasn't the reason that I posted that, but I do think it says something that the 76ers (who Okafor fans will tell you have garbage talent outside of him) are a whopping 11.6 PP100 better when he's not on the court.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:00 am    Post subject:

Good to see Mud climbing out of his - hole.
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yinoma2001 wrote:
I want to say you're on a crusade to cut down the Oak tree...but seems he's doing it himself.


Okafor wasn't the reason that I posted that, but I do think it says something that the 76ers (who Okafor fans will tell you have garbage talent outside of him) are a whopping 11.6 PP100 better when he's not on the court.


Yeah. If Embiid ever comes back healthy, it should be interesting to see who stays/goes.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:12 am    Post subject:

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wolfpaclaker wrote:
I don't think it's anywhere near the 2003 draft, but it's maybe the deepest draft we've seen in years. You could see more all-stars in this draft than any in recent years. However the 2003 draft had franchise players, multiple guys who won as a the man. I don't think this draft has that Lebron or Wade (prime) level alpha #1 player. And forget that, come on, just having a Lebron in a draft makes it way more special.

So yes extremely deep, maybe will contend for the draft with most all-stars, but disagree it rivals 2003.


I think we're saying the same thing in different ways. cant elaborate too much at the moment. But I think the median talent in this years draft is higher than 2003. But if you calculated how dominant the 2003 stars are. Maybe the 2003 class has higher mean talent.


What about Towns? He's already averaging 17 and 10.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 9:46 pm    Post subject:

Ignore the fact that the article is about Mudiay.

I just wish all player analysis articles looked like this:

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 10:48 pm    Post subject:

kikanga wrote:
Ignore the fact that the article is about Mudiay.

I just wish all player analysis articles looked like this:

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Very nice presentation. And it looks like they've added some things to shotanalytics.com. Definitely gonna check that out.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 6:47 am    Post subject:

Worse than The Catalyst with PAE?!?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 10:52 am    Post subject:

kikanga wrote:
Ignore the fact that the article is about Mudiay.

I just wish all player analysis articles looked like this:

LINK


I hope he decides to put something together for DLo, especially on defense.

Regarding Mudiay, it's interesting that he's a worse shooting, worse rebounding, more turnover prone Jason Kidd. That really inspires confidence. The author didn't note how poorly Mudiay has shot around the rim in comparison to rookie Kidd, which is the most concerning issue for me when assessing a big, strong, supposedly athletic PG.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:46 pm    Post subject:

kikanga wrote:
Ignore the fact that the article is about Mudiay.

I just wish all player analysis articles looked like this:

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Noicee link Kikanga. Thanks
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 2:20 pm    Post subject:

If there's a 50/40/90 club for good shooters, what do we call the sub-35% FG, sub-30% 3PT, & sub-60% FT club? The Brickhouse? My man Mudiay is threatening that with 34.0 FG%, 27.2 3PT%, & 61.6 FT%.

Only 3 guys in the <35/30/60 club. Heck, only 8 guys in the <35/30/70 club. Mudiay's shooting 42.3% from the free throw line in February, so there's a chance.
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GoldenThroat wrote:
If there's a 50/40/90 club for good shooters, what do we call the sub-35% FG, sub-30% 3PT, & sub-60% FT club? The Brickhouse? My man Mudiay is threatening that with 34.0 FG%, 27.2 3PT%, & 61.6 FT%.

Only 3 guys in the <35/30/60 club. Heck, only 8 guys in the <35/30/70 club. Mudiay's shooting 42.3% from the free throw line in February, so there's a chance.


He's the opposite of everything good about Westbrook thus far. His singular selling point pre-draft was his abiliy to get to attack the rim and finish. 38% in the paint. Makes Randle look like prime Shaq.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 4:03 pm    Post subject:

Oak was on the table in discussions to going to Boston in a trade before deadline. I think that would've been a good destination for him considering his defensive deficiencies would be masked well with what Stevens has that team accomplishing.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 6:18 pm    Post subject:

Funny how oaks big numbers are usually meaningless because they're getting destroyed. But props for dropping 30 while being down 25.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 8:11 pm    Post subject:

In Okafor's favor he did have 18 in the first when Philly had the lead.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 9:13 pm    Post subject:

Oak had a great game. 31 points. He looks unstoppable. Some nice dribbling out there.

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