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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 6:28 am    Post subject: Kawhi Wins DPOY

First back to back winner (non-Center) since Rodman 90-91.

Draymond 2nd, Whiteside 3rd.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 6:40 am    Post subject:

21.2 PPG on 50% shooting, 44.3% from three. And DPOY level defense, though I still think Draymond Green should have gotten it.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 8:41 am    Post subject:

Well deserved.

Physical tools + work ethic/system.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 8:42 am    Post subject: Re: Kawhi Wins DPOY

Math wrote:
First back to back winner since Rodman 90-91.

Draymond 2nd, Whiteside 3rd.


First back to back winner since Rodman who wasn't a center.

Last back to back to back winner was Howard in 09-11.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 9:14 am    Post subject:

Draymond got robbed.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 9:22 am    Post subject:

ocho wrote:
Draymond got robbed.
I agree 100%. Maybe it's because I watched more Warriors games this year.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 9:23 am    Post subject:

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Draymond got robbed.
I agree 100%. Maybe it's because I watched more Warriors games this year.


I definitely watched more GSW than SAS this year. I just think Kawhi is the best of the elite wing defenders in the league but there's nobody who can do what Draymond does.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 9:50 am    Post subject:

Well earned.

The guy is probably top five in MVP voting too. An all-around terrific player, no apparent weaknesses.

I 'spose he would have to considered The Steal of the last decade's worth of NBA drafts too. Is there an award for that ?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 9:58 am    Post subject:

Meh, I thought Draymond should've won it, but you can't fault Leonard either. The guy works his ass off to defend the best wing/guard on the court.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 10:53 am    Post subject:

Draymond gets robbed again. Geez...
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 10:58 am    Post subject:

Can't go wrong between Leonard and Green. I wouldn't say Green got robbed but he was my choice too. What he does for that Warrior team is just ridiculous.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 12:46 pm    Post subject:

He deserved it.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 1:13 pm    Post subject:

ocho wrote:
Vancouver Fan wrote:
ocho wrote:
Draymond got robbed.
I agree 100%. Maybe it's because I watched more Warriors games this year.


I definitely watched more GSW than SAS this year. I just think Kawhi is the best of the elite wing defenders in the league but there's nobody who can do what Draymond does.


I agree. Green only has Steph while Leonard has 5 elite defenders on his team.

Not to take anything away from Leonard though, he's a great defender.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 1:45 pm    Post subject:

Number 7 wrote:
ocho wrote:
Vancouver Fan wrote:
ocho wrote:
Draymond got robbed.
I agree 100%. Maybe it's because I watched more Warriors games this year.


I definitely watched more GSW than SAS this year. I just think Kawhi is the best of the elite wing defenders in the league but there's nobody who can do what Draymond does.


I agree. Green only has Steph while Leonard has 5 elite defenders on his team.

Not to take anything away from Leonard though, he's a great defender.


Huh? Iggy, Klay, Bogut are all stud defenders. Barnes, Festus are also great defenders.

I still give the nod to Draymond for his versatility.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 1:55 pm    Post subject:

jonnybravo wrote:
Number 7 wrote:
ocho wrote:
Vancouver Fan wrote:
ocho wrote:
Draymond got robbed.
I agree 100%. Maybe it's because I watched more Warriors games this year.


I definitely watched more GSW than SAS this year. I just think Kawhi is the best of the elite wing defenders in the league but there's nobody who can do what Draymond does.


I agree. Green only has Steph while Leonard has 5 elite defenders on his team.

Not to take anything away from Leonard though, he's a great defender.


Huh? Iggy, Klay, Bogut are all stud defenders. Barnes, Festus are also great defenders.

I still give the nod to Draymond for his versatility.


I was referencing the Defensive Rating stat.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Kawhi Wins DPOY

activeverb wrote:
Math wrote:
First back to back winner since Rodman 90-91.

Draymond 2nd, Whiteside 3rd.


First back to back winner since Rodman who wasn't a center.

Last back to back to back winner was Howard in 09-11.


Thank you. Fixed.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:14 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
Well deserved.

Physical tools + work ethic/system.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 5:49 pm    Post subject:

Well deserved, and he is the rightful winner.

Green is a solid defender, but tremendously overrated.

- The Warriors have been getting murdered inside by PFs and Cs all season.

(you can look for yourself if you doubt: http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/opponentstats/16/12/pts/1-1)

To compensate, the Warriors need to employ a lot doubles and swarms, which does do a great job of slowing down opposing bigs, but Draymond gets "credit" for the stop per analytics.

- Draymond doesn't really guard perimeter players. And it's a perimeter players league.

Hell, even last year in the Finals, it was Iggy matching up with Lebron. Kevin Love was injured, so Draymond, on paper, didn't have much of a load to carry defensively. Yet, Tristan Thompson and Mozgov pretty much destroyed the Warriors interior defense and controlled the boards.

- Warriors offense is their best defense.

No offense is more exhausting to defend, meaning other teams will naturally have less energy to put toward offense.

Now, I'm not suggesting Green is a bad or even average defender. His ability to switch on PnRs is a big advantage for that Warriors defense, but the idea that he can defend all 5 positions like prime KG or Rodman is blatantly false.

He's a solid, smart defender in a very good situation. Kind of like Manu Ginobili, who is, in an analytic vacuum, one of the greatest perimeter defenders of all-time.

Kawhi is a game changing defender. You can build a defensive scheme around him.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:49 pm    Post subject:

Magic2Kobe wrote:
Well deserved, and he is the rightful winner.

Green is a solid defender, but tremendously overrated.

- The Warriors have been getting murdered inside by PFs and Cs all season.

(you can look for yourself if you doubt: http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/opponentstats/16/12/pts/1-1)

To compensate, the Warriors need to employ a lot doubles and swarms, which does do a great job of slowing down opposing bigs, but Draymond gets "credit" for the stop per analytics.

- Draymond doesn't really guard perimeter players. And it's a perimeter players league.

Hell, even last year in the Finals, it was Iggy matching up with Lebron. Kevin Love was injured, so Draymond, on paper, didn't have much of a load to carry defensively. Yet, Tristan Thompson and Mozgov pretty much destroyed the Warriors interior defense and controlled the boards.

- Warriors offense is their best defense.

No offense is more exhausting to defend, meaning other teams will naturally have less energy to put toward offense.

Now, I'm not suggesting Green is a bad or even average defender. His ability to switch on PnRs is a big advantage for that Warriors defense, but the idea that he can defend all 5 positions like prime KG or Rodman is blatantly false.

He's a solid, smart defender in a very good situation. Kind of like Manu Ginobili, who is, in an analytic vacuum, one of the greatest perimeter defenders of all-time.

Kawhi is a game changing defender. You can build a defensive scheme around him.


Thoroughly agreed, across the board ... the hype for both Kawhi and Draymond is high, but Draymond's is more unreasonable IMO. And re: the DPOY issue, it probably helps Kawhi's case that he doesn't rely on the complicity of the officials to enable his success on the court (by allowing him to commit 30 - 40 uncalled personal and technical fouls most games), nor is he a colossal douchebag like Green. 2nd place is the first loser, isn't that how the saying goes?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2016 9:40 pm    Post subject:

Number 7 wrote:
jonnybravo wrote:
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ocho wrote:
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ocho wrote:
Draymond got robbed.
I agree 100%. Maybe it's because I watched more Warriors games this year.


I definitely watched more GSW than SAS this year. I just think Kawhi is the best of the elite wing defenders in the league but there's nobody who can do what Draymond does.


I agree. Green only has Steph while Leonard has 5 elite defenders on his team.

Not to take anything away from Leonard though, he's a great defender.


Huh? Iggy, Klay, Bogut are all stud defenders. Barnes, Festus are also great defenders.

I still give the nod to Draymond for his versatility.


I was referencing the Defensive Rating stat.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 4:01 am    Post subject:

I wonder how many East Coast voters Green got.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 4:10 am    Post subject:

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Magic2Kobe wrote:
Well deserved, and he is the rightful winner.

Green is a solid defender, but tremendously overrated.

- The Warriors have been getting murdered inside by PFs and Cs all season.

(you can look for yourself if you doubt: http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/opponentstats/16/12/pts/1-1)

To compensate, the Warriors need to employ a lot doubles and swarms, which does do a great job of slowing down opposing bigs, but Draymond gets "credit" for the stop per analytics.

- Draymond doesn't really guard perimeter players. And it's a perimeter players league.

Hell, even last year in the Finals, it was Iggy matching up with Lebron. Kevin Love was injured, so Draymond, on paper, didn't have much of a load to carry defensively. Yet, Tristan Thompson and Mozgov pretty much destroyed the Warriors interior defense and controlled the boards.

- Warriors offense is their best defense.

No offense is more exhausting to defend, meaning other teams will naturally have less energy to put toward offense.

Now, I'm not suggesting Green is a bad or even average defender. His ability to switch on PnRs is a big advantage for that Warriors defense, but the idea that he can defend all 5 positions like prime KG or Rodman is blatantly false.

He's a solid, smart defender in a very good situation. Kind of like Manu Ginobili, who is, in an analytic vacuum, one of the greatest perimeter defenders of all-time.

Kawhi is a game changing defender. You can build a defensive scheme around him.


Thoroughly agreed, across the board ... the hype for both Kawhi and Draymond is high, but Draymond's is more unreasonable IMO. And re: the DPOY issue, it probably helps Kawhi's case that he doesn't rely on the complicity of the officials to enable his success on the court (by allowing him to commit 30 - 40 uncalled personal and technical fouls most games), nor is he a colossal douchebag like Green. 2nd place is the first loser, isn't that how the saying goes?


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 5:18 pm    Post subject:

Kawhi Leonard, San Diego State Aztec Legend.
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LakerLanny wrote:
Kawhi Leonard, San Diego State Aztec Legend.


#19 Tony Gwynn on the diamond, #28 Marshall Faulk on the gridiron, and now #15 / #2 Kawhi Leonard on the hardwood.

Three Aztecs who made / are making their mark at the top of their respective games playing hard, playing clean and playing smart.
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Kawhi Leonard, San Diego State Aztec Legend.


#19 Tony Gwynn on the diamond, #28 Marshall Faulk on the gridiron, and now #15 / #2 Kawhi Leonard on the hardwood.

Three Aztecs who made / are making their mark at the top of their respective games playing hard, playing clean and playing smart.


So true.

And the #2 players behind them in each sport would not be bad either, maybe these guys:

Greg Nettles ir Mark Grace - Baseball, Brian Sipe - Football, Michael Cage - Basketball
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