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| Fruscas wrote: | | Ezeli, Barnes and Speights are all restricted free agents i think. so, he'll ask for those |
Speights is UFA
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| Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| We can probably get Speights, in the 6M range, although I think he's probably gonna want 8-9M per. |
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| I wonder if Speights would play average defense for us at Center? Could lure him with a starting role if he's up for the work. |
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| Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Fruscas wrote: | | Ezeli, Barnes and Speights are all restricted free agents i think. so, he'll ask for those |
You realize what "restricted" free agents mean right?
Speights as mentioned previously is "unrestricted".
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| Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | I wonder if Speights would play average defense for us at Center? Could lure him with a starting role if he's up for the work. |
SPEIGHTS isn't a starter
But a good bench guy deff
Sounds like Luke likes Tarik a lot too so Tarik might get actual run
I think Tarik could be a younger SPEIGHTS
But SPEIGHTS brings vet leadership from winning culture
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | I wonder if Speights would play average defense for us at Center? Could lure him with a starting role if he's up for the work. |
Starting or coming off the bench won't matter. Speights is good for 20-25 minutes. He has never averaged more than 22 mpg
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| lewis wrote: | | deal wrote: | | lewis wrote: | | deal wrote: | | lewis wrote: | | Whiteside is definitly not a guy that can play in a sytem similar to what gsw does. At least not more than 25 minutes. He would play the Ezeli role. I want us to get Horford and Byombo upfront. A rotation of randle/ nance and horford/ Byombo would be awesome |
Horford is heading for the wrong side of 30, injury is a
skip - hop away. |
He actually is at his peak this season. He would still be very good for at least 2 years. Whiteside is a bigger risk, and Horford would make others better ( Nance/Randle). Playing Whiteside with Randle will be ugly and almost impossible. |
You can't sign Horford for 2 years though. I'm not saying don't but
Paying guys for what did could backfire. |
Since we lack talent, we have to overpay. I prefer to do that with Horford and pay him 25 when he is 33 and 34 instead of 12 -15 instead of giving 20 to Whiteside, so he can pull a Larry Sanders. |
I would give Horford the full max in a second.
Horford plus Derozan would be great.
Throw in Courtney Lee and we're looking good.
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| iimarshon wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | I wonder if Speights would play average defense for us at Center? Could lure him with a starting role if he's up for the work. |
SPEIGHTS isn't a starter
But a good bench guy deff
Sounds like Luke likes Tarik a lot too so Tarik might get actual run
I think Tarik could be a younger SPEIGHTS
But SPEIGHTS brings vet leadership from winning culture |
Totally different style of play. Tarik is high energy and active around the boards.
Speights can post up and shoot the occasional three but he's far from athletic like Tarik.
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| bluehill wrote: | One of the things I am expecting is that Luke, Mitch and Ryan will work closely together to find players that may be overlooked but will work well in the system that he wants to run.
If they can get some of these types of players we will be competitive, which will attract bigger name free agents and allow us to pass on players that may be too costly in terms of picks and/or are injury prone or have character issues. We can be more selective and that will give us more leverage. |
Agree
Similar to how Blazers got Harkless this year
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | I think Luke prefers Batum over Derozan. And Ingram over Simmons.
Multiple, long defenders who can guard multiple positions (like GS has).
Thing is, Batum & Ingram might be overkill. Might need at least 1 elite player at dribble penetration (like Derozan and Simmons are). |
Randle , just gotta teach him to kick |
I wonder who would be great to bring in to help Randle.
I know Worthy worked w him.
Luke will too
Lamar would be great but not sure he's in the right shape to be a mentor
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| lewis wrote: | | deal wrote: | | lewis wrote: | | Whiteside is definitly not a guy that can play in a sytem similar to what gsw does. At least not more than 25 minutes. He would play the Ezeli role. I want us to get Horford and Byombo upfront. A rotation of randle/ nance and horford/ Byombo would be awesome |
Horford is heading for the wrong side of 30, injury is a
skip - hop away. |
He actually is at his peak this season. He would still be very good for at least 2 years. Whiteside is a bigger risk, and Horford would make others better ( Nance/Randle). Playing Whiteside with Randle will be ugly and almost impossible. |
I think Horfords game will age really well
Like Pau
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| iimarshon wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | I think Luke prefers Batum over Derozan. And Ingram over Simmons.
Multiple, long defenders who can guard multiple positions (like GS has).
Thing is, Batum & Ingram might be overkill. Might need at least 1 elite player at dribble penetration (like Derozan and Simmons are). |
Randle , just gotta teach him to kick |
I wonder who would be great to bring in to help Randle.
I know Worthy worked w him.
Luke will too
Lamar would be great but not sure he's in the right shape to be a mentor |
Lam Lam as assistant coach? Lol. |
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| iimarshon wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | I think Luke prefers Batum over Derozan. And Ingram over Simmons.
Multiple, long defenders who can guard multiple positions (like GS has).
Thing is, Batum & Ingram might be overkill. Might need at least 1 elite player at dribble penetration (like Derozan and Simmons are). |
Randle , just gotta teach him to kick |
I wonder who would be great to bring in to help Randle.
I know Worthy worked w him.
Luke will too
Lamar would be great but not sure he's in the right shape to be a mentor |
In Draymonds interview today he said how Luke teaches him about his role in the offense, because Luke played stretch 4 in CLE and was a great high post passer in the triangle.
When the head coach and the offense requires you to be unselfish with the ball, you have to. So Randle will |
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| Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | iimarshon wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | I think Luke prefers Batum over Derozan. And Ingram over Simmons.
Multiple, long defenders who can guard multiple positions (like GS has).
Thing is, Batum & Ingram might be overkill. Might need at least 1 elite player at dribble penetration (like Derozan and Simmons are). |
Randle , just gotta teach him to kick |
I wonder who would be great to bring in to help Randle.
I know Worthy worked w him.
Luke will too
Lamar would be great but not sure he's in the right shape to be a mentor |
In Draymonds interview today he said how Luke teaches him about his role in the offense, because Luke played stretch 4 in CLE and was a great high post passer in the triangle.
When the head coach and the offense requires you to be unselfish with the ball, you have to. So Randle will |
Perfect.
Luke is going to be great for Randle and Nance.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Nance already moves the ball fairly well. If he has a shot or lane to the basket.. he takes it.. if not, he moves it. I want to see much, much more of that. |
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| Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| iimarshon wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | I wonder if Speights would play average defense for us at Center? Could lure him with a starting role if he's up for the work. |
SPEIGHTS isn't a starter
But a good bench guy deff
Sounds like Luke likes Tarik a lot too so Tarik might get actual run
I think Tarik could be a younger SPEIGHTS
But SPEIGHTS brings vet leadership from winning culture |
Dude speights 15-18 ft jumper is money! Tarik cant shoot at all they are completely different types of players |
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| Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Tarik has a better defensive ceiling than Speights. The shot will come with time. |
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| Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | I wonder if Speights would play average defense for us at Center? Could lure him with a starting role if he's up for the work. |
Starting or coming off the bench won't matter. Speights is good for 20-25 minutes. He has never averaged more than 22 mpg |
If we were to get him he would essentially be replacing Bass. Speights can end up being a great under the radar move similar to the Blazers with Aminu. |
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| Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| KobeRe-Loaded wrote: | | Fruscas wrote: | | Ezeli, Barnes and Speights are all restricted free agents i think. so, he'll ask for those |
You realize what "restricted" free agents mean right?
Speights as mentioned previously is "unrestricted". |
you realize that this is a speculation thread right? i already gave my opinion earlier in another thread.
Vasquez, Derozan, Dudley, bazemore, among others are guys that fit |
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Luke is gonna be a godsend for Randle. Can't wait to see how DLO and Randle (and nance) improve with Luke.
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Those expecting us to sign a "star" will be sorely disappointed. The biggest fish we might net is Horford or Noah.
Other names:
Harrison Barnes - he's a RESTRICTED free agent, so he's not coming.
Whiteside - I was for this before Luke was hired. Now he'd be a terrible fit. I think our front office knows this too.
Realistically, we're going to be signing "average" guys and veterans that have specific skill sets making them good fits. Example:
Steve Novak - Ryan Kelly is essentially a poor man's Novak: 6'10 skinny white guy whose game is outside shooting. Problem is, Kelly is shooting 31% 3's for his career. Novak is shooting 43%. Might as well dump Kelly and get the proven thing.
Ryan Anderson - of the same mold as the two above except he actually has some talent and can do more than just shoot (though he's not quite as good a shooter as Novak). He's also younger (27) and has grown accustomed to coming off the bench the last couple seasons.
The Warriors' UFA's - Barbosa, Rush, and Speights. I can see us getting Speights and probably Rush to come off the bench and help the transition for what Luke wants to run.
Aaron Afflalo - is a possibility. He has a player option for the next season, and he's likely opting out. He was very unhappy in NY and the coaches, the fans, and management were all unhappy with him. For a defensive specialist, he was actually quite terrible on defense last season, but that could've been a result of the toxic atmosphere in NY. Another issue is that he sees himself as a starter and wants to get paid like one ($9 million+). Even if we were willing to pay him, Luke would have to convince him to come off the bench.
Jordan Farmar - Luke and Farmar are very good friends. Farmar signed with the Grizzlies for the final stretch of the season and played well. He's 29 and still has some game left. I can see him coming back for a 3rd stint.
These are the types of players we'll be bringing in. Hopefully we can also dump Lou and Young. Addition by subtraction. Lineup will be something like:
C - Horford/Black/Speights
PF - Randle/Anderson
SF - Simmons/Nance/Brown
SG - Clarkson/Afflalo/Rush
PG - Dlo/Farmar |
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| If the Lakers get 1st overall pick, are you willing to trade it for a package to get Cousins? Or maybe better to keep the pick & instead send D'Angelo + Randle to Sac? |
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| Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 12:51 am Post subject: |
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| jankobe wrote: | | If the Lakers get 1st overall pick, are you willing to trade it for a package to get Cousins? Or maybe better to keep the pick & instead send D'Angelo + Randle to Sac? |
We don't want Cousins at all. |
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| Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 2:41 am Post subject: |
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| I think it'll be pretty key for us to hang on to Bass now. |
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| And Larry will need to really bulk up. We're going to be expecting him to be setting some A+ quality screens next season. |
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