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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2016 1:28 pm    Post subject:

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Casey has not directly said it, but has hinted that one of the problems with Toronto’s rotation last year was that Sixth Man of the Year Lou Williams did a great job scoring,

but was so lax on defense that it dragged down the whole team.


http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/bismack-byombo-cory-joseph-raptors-cavs-game-3-eastern-conference-finals/m3wji6qaupz11qpfq8aqquirk?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


Yet the stats say the opposite.
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2016 1:38 pm    Post subject:

Said it once, will say it again.

Lou Williams, especially for his price in the upcoming contracts that will go out, is an amazing get for us.

BUT he is amazing IF we play him as he's meant to be played as a 6th man. That's where you see his value. Just as nick young showed his value early in the season playing off ball 3 and wide open threes in spot ups. Which Scott completely got away from and buried Nick and his confidence after Nick called out the team's effort. Crap decision by the worst coach in NBA History.


But if you have a bench and consistent 6th man lineup with Lou, Nick and a solid point guard then you have something good on your hands ESPECIALLY with a coach that knows how to maximize them.


Assume we did get DeRozan. Just assume that.

Our bench would be

Jordan Clarkson
Lou Williams
Nick Young
Larry Nance Jr.
Tarik Black


Under the right coach and right system that bench could be devastating. It certainly has the potential to be.

But you have a crap coach like Byron Scott you'd never see it run nor utilized properly. Luke we're expecting to do the opposite and utilize it properly and the talent there. Which I am completely fine with.

Add that with the potential starting lineup of

D'Angelo Russell
DeMar Derozan
Brandon Ingram / Ben Simmons
Julius Randle
Hassan Whiteside / Bismack Biyombo


I'd say we have a very solid chance at actually making the playoffs, and the strength of the bench would be a big reason why as well as the overall progression of our players.
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2016 1:44 pm    Post subject:

Sweet Lou Williams will definitely be the spark/instant offense off the bench next season. Love him or hate him but he has talent.
Considering the cost he is a valuable asset
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2016 1:46 pm    Post subject:

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Sweet Lou Williams will definitely be the spark/instant offense off the bench next season. Love him or hate him but he has talent.
Considering the cost he is a valuable asset


Yeah. You are right difference with Luke is that he will use Lou to his advantage and put him on spots to succeed.

Byron IMO over used him to much on ISO.

I for one think Lou should be here next year unless we can package him to get Trevor Ariza.

Good post pio2u
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2016 3:40 pm    Post subject:

Byron played Lou quite frankly as if he was 2005 Kobe.
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PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2016 5:59 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
pio2u wrote:

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Casey has not directly said it, but has hinted that one of the problems with Toronto’s rotation last year was that Sixth Man of the Year Lou Williams did a great job scoring,

but was so lax on defense that it dragged down the whole team.


http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/bismack-byombo-cory-joseph-raptors-cavs-game-3-eastern-conference-finals/m3wji6qaupz11qpfq8aqquirk?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


Yet the stats say the opposite.


Regardless, he was pretty bad defensively for us. The trick will be to be selective with the types of units you put him with and against.
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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2016 7:46 am    Post subject:

Should Lou Williams Be Traded?

Yes, no, maybe

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Most fans and analysts alike expect the Los Angeles Lakers to have big plans in NBA free agency this offseason given the depth of the free agent class and the money that the organization has to burn to help expedite the rebuilding process. However, one of the biggest decisions that the Lakers have to make this offseason concerns a player from their 2015 free agency class: Lou Williams.

http://lakeshowlife.com/2016/05/28/lakers-trading-lou-williams-good-idea/
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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2016 7:55 am    Post subject:

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Should Lou Williams Be Traded?

Yes, no, maybe

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Most fans and analysts alike expect the Los Angeles Lakers to have big plans in NBA free agency this offseason given the depth of the free agent class and the money that the organization has to burn to help expedite the rebuilding process. However, one of the biggest decisions that the Lakers have to make this offseason concerns a player from their 2015 free agency class: Lou Williams.

http://lakeshowlife.com/2016/05/28/lakers-trading-lou-williams-good-idea/


I actually like Lou, as a sixth man SG.
I hate Lou as a starting Guard of any kind.
I hate Lou as a backup point guard.

I'd trade him for Ariza and let Ingram be our backup SG.
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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2016 8:00 am    Post subject:

They need to offer Lou to D'antoni for Beverley.
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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2016 8:04 am    Post subject:

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They need to offer Lou to D'antoni for Beverley.


Oooh wee.
Would Houston do that?
I'd love PB as our backup PG.
And can you imagine how he would help DLo's game if DLo has to go up against him every practice?
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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2016 8:05 am    Post subject:

epak wrote:
davidse wrote:
They need to offer Lou to D'antoni for Beverley.


Oooh wee.
Would Houston do that?
I'd love PB as our backup PG.
And can you imagine how he would help DLo's game if DLo has to go up against him every practice?


It's a thought because we are in desperate need of a defense-minded guard.
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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2016 8:11 am    Post subject:

epak wrote:
davidse wrote:
They need to offer Lou to D'antoni for Beverley.


Oooh wee.
Would Houston do that?
I'd love PB as our backup PG.
And can you imagine how he would help DLo's game if DLo has to go up against him every practice?


Normally I'd say there's no reason for Houston to do that.
But with mda there, I don't think it's out of the question (but obviously far from guaranteed still...).
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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2016 8:23 am    Post subject:

davidse wrote:
epak wrote:
davidse wrote:
They need to offer Lou to D'antoni for Beverley.


Oooh wee.
Would Houston do that?
I'd love PB as our backup PG.
And can you imagine how he would help DLo's game if DLo has to go up against him every practice?


Normally I'd say there's no reason for Houston to do that.
But with mda there, I don't think it's out of the question (but obviously far from guaranteed still...).


Knowing how much MDA likes offense just might bite on that deal.
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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2016 8:46 am    Post subject:

pio2u wrote:
davidse wrote:
epak wrote:
davidse wrote:
They need to offer Lou to D'antoni for Beverley.


Oooh wee.
Would Houston do that?
I'd love PB as our backup PG.
And can you imagine how he would help DLo's game if DLo has to go up against him every practice?


Normally I'd say there's no reason for Houston to do that.
But with mda there, I don't think it's out of the question (but obviously far from guaranteed still...).


Knowing how much MDA likes offense just might bite on that deal.


I like Beverly, nasty D, kinda like Dellabedova but with speed
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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2016 8:53 am    Post subject:

governator wrote:
pio2u wrote:
davidse wrote:
epak wrote:
davidse wrote:
They need to offer Lou to D'antoni for Beverley.


Oooh wee.
Would Houston do that?
I'd love PB as our backup PG.
And can you imagine how he would help DLo's game if DLo has to go up against him every practice?


Normally I'd say there's no reason for Houston to do that.
But with mda there, I don't think it's out of the question (but obviously far from guaranteed still...).


Knowing how much MDA likes offense just might bite on that deal.


I like Beverly, nasty D, kinda like Dellabedova but with speed


Wow. Please do not compare overrated Delly to PB.
Can Delly ever dominate a kid like PB does here:
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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2016 8:56 am    Post subject:

epak wrote:
governator wrote:
pio2u wrote:
davidse wrote:
epak wrote:
davidse wrote:
They need to offer Lou to D'antoni for Beverley.


Oooh wee.
Would Houston do that?
I'd love PB as our backup PG.
And can you imagine how he would help DLo's game if DLo has to go up against him every practice?


Normally I'd say there's no reason for Houston to do that.
But with mda there, I don't think it's out of the question (but obviously far from guaranteed still...).


Knowing how much MDA likes offense just might bite on that deal.


I like Beverly, nasty D, kinda like Dellabedova but with speed


Wow. Please do not compare overrated Delly to PB.
Can Delly ever dominate a kid like PB does here:


no he can't. Beverly is better, no doubt. Just saying similar in their tenacity
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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2016 9:16 am    Post subject:

davidse wrote:
They need to offer Lou to D'antoni for Beverley.


I would even throw in a second rounder for that.
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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2016 9:24 am    Post subject:

I really like that trade

Beverly is just a hard nose player and every team needs that
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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2016 11:49 am    Post subject:

Denny_Russo wrote:
davidse wrote:
They need to offer Lou to D'antoni for Beverley.


I would even throw in a second rounder for that.


So would I.
In a heartbeat.
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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2016 12:12 pm    Post subject:

davidse wrote:
epak wrote:
davidse wrote:
They need to offer Lou to D'antoni for Beverley.


Oooh wee.
Would Houston do that?
I'd love PB as our backup PG.
And can you imagine how he would help DLo's game if DLo has to go up against him every practice?


Normally I'd say there's no reason for Houston to do that.
But with mda there, I don't think it's out of the question (but obviously far from guaranteed still...).


Ironically the trade machine says Houston would have been 4 games better with Lou Williams and the Lakers would have been 8 games worse (9 wins, woohoo!) but this is a case where the trade machine doesn't know what it's talking about. Love the idea. It would be a net gain for a backcourt that can't play a lick of defense.
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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2016 12:17 pm    Post subject:

Beverley's defense is incredibly overrated, assuming that wasn't already exposed by this last season.
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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2016 12:36 pm    Post subject:

Beverly at backup PG and Williams off this team would be a dream scenario for me. I'd also be happy with Ariza for Williams. Either would be a perfect fit.
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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2016 12:44 pm    Post subject:

davidse wrote:
They need to offer Lou to D'antoni for Beverley.


That is an interesting idea.

I would certainly make that trade if I am the Lakers and I like Lou Williams, I think he has been unfairly characterized here.

However, we need defenders and Beverly is one of the best defenders in the league at the PG position.
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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2016 12:51 pm    Post subject:

Some of the trade ideas on this forum, haha. Seriously, is their a crack epidemic in Laker land or what?

Look, just say Lebron is coming to LA with Durant in a month. That would at least be entertaining.
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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2016 12:57 pm    Post subject:

Rawr wrote:
Beverly at backup PG and Williams off this team would be a dream scenario for me. I'd also be happy with Ariza for Williams. Either would be a perfect fit.


Ariza can't defend anymore either. There's a reason that Rockets team was such a disaster on that side of the floor.
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