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DzLaker Star Player
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2016 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Dr. Funkbot wrote: | Nash Vegas wrote: | Derozan is the least best All-star SG.
Sure I would like him here, but I wouldn't expect him to carry us into the Playoffs. He's like an Eddie Jones type who can get a couple All-star appearances under his belt before turning into solid role player. |
Yup, I kept thinking it was Eddie Jones out there in a Raptors uni. They are so freaking similar it is remarkable. Lanky rangy guards who play defense, are good at attacking the rim and have no 3 point shot.
Eddie was one of my favorite lakers, I was very disappointed when we swapped him out for that no defense playing Glenn Rice. But that lack of a 3 point shot did him in. And it is the biggest knock on DD's game. |
Bingo. Not comparing styles (as jones was a good defender) but similar career arcs. |
This comparison is ridiculous. Eddie Jones was a career 37% 3 point shooter. That's decent. He was hitting at a 39% rate when the Lakers traded him.
Derozan is a 28% 3 point shooter. There's no comparison. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2016 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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DzLaker wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Dr. Funkbot wrote: | Nash Vegas wrote: | Derozan is the least best All-star SG.
Sure I would like him here, but I wouldn't expect him to carry us into the Playoffs. He's like an Eddie Jones type who can get a couple All-star appearances under his belt before turning into solid role player. |
Yup, I kept thinking it was Eddie Jones out there in a Raptors uni. They are so freaking similar it is remarkable. Lanky rangy guards who play defense, are good at attacking the rim and have no 3 point shot.
Eddie was one of my favorite lakers, I was very disappointed when we swapped him out for that no defense playing Glenn Rice. But that lack of a 3 point shot did him in. And it is the biggest knock on DD's game. |
Bingo. Not comparing styles (as jones was a good defender) but similar career arcs. |
This comparison is ridiculous. Eddie Jones was a career 37% 3 point shooter. That's decent. He was hitting at a 39% rate when the Lakers traded him.
Derozan is a 28% 3 point shooter. There's no comparison. |
Would help to take a moment to read my post. Not a playing style comparison. Sigh. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2016 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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DzLaker wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Dr. Funkbot wrote: | Nash Vegas wrote: | Derozan is the least best All-star SG.
Sure I would like him here, but I wouldn't expect him to carry us into the Playoffs. He's like an Eddie Jones type who can get a couple All-star appearances under his belt before turning into solid role player. |
Yup, I kept thinking it was Eddie Jones out there in a Raptors uni. They are so freaking similar it is remarkable. Lanky rangy guards who play defense, are good at attacking the rim and have no 3 point shot.
Eddie was one of my favorite lakers, I was very disappointed when we swapped him out for that no defense playing Glenn Rice. But that lack of a 3 point shot did him in. And it is the biggest knock on DD's game. |
Bingo. Not comparing styles (as jones was a good defender) but similar career arcs. |
This comparison is ridiculous. Eddie Jones was a career 37% 3 point shooter. That's decent. He was hitting at a 39% rate when the Lakers traded him.
Derozan is a 28% 3 point shooter. There's no comparison. |
Right, because 3 point shooting percentage is the most important stat in the world. That you Byron? _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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VegasLakerFan Star Player
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2016 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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Dr. Funkbot wrote: |
Yup, I kept thinking it was Eddie Jones out there in a Raptors uni. They are so freaking similar it is remarkable. Lanky rangy guards who play defense, are good at attacking the rim and have no 3 point shot. |
Wait, what? Eddie was a much better shooter than DeRozan is. |
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VegasLakerFan Star Player
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2016 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | DzLaker wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Dr. Funkbot wrote: | Nash Vegas wrote: | Derozan is the least best All-star SG.
Sure I would like him here, but I wouldn't expect him to carry us into the Playoffs. He's like an Eddie Jones type who can get a couple All-star appearances under his belt before turning into solid role player. |
Yup, I kept thinking it was Eddie Jones out there in a Raptors uni. They are so freaking similar it is remarkable. Lanky rangy guards who play defense, are good at attacking the rim and have no 3 point shot.
Eddie was one of my favorite lakers, I was very disappointed when we swapped him out for that no defense playing Glenn Rice. But that lack of a 3 point shot did him in. And it is the biggest knock on DD's game. |
Bingo. Not comparing styles (as jones was a good defender) but similar career arcs. |
This comparison is ridiculous. Eddie Jones was a career 37% 3 point shooter. That's decent. He was hitting at a 39% rate when the Lakers traded him.
Derozan is a 28% 3 point shooter. There's no comparison. |
Right, because 3 point shooting percentage is the most important stat in the world. That you Byron? |
What you rather he base it on, unicorn farts? The percentages just confirm what the eye test tells you - that Eddie was a much better 3 point shooter than DRoz. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2016 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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How about points, assists, rebounds? You know, more parts of the game of basketball. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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silkwilkes Star Player
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2016 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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This is like saying you wouldn't sleep with the least best supermodel. Come on now... _________________ "He may say it's not you, it's him.... but it's really you." |
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DzLaker Star Player
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2016 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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venturalakersfan wrote: | DzLaker wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Dr. Funkbot wrote: | Nash Vegas wrote: | Derozan is the least best All-star SG.
Sure I would like him here, but I wouldn't expect him to carry us into the Playoffs. He's like an Eddie Jones type who can get a couple All-star appearances under his belt before turning into solid role player. |
Yup, I kept thinking it was Eddie Jones out there in a Raptors uni. They are so freaking similar it is remarkable. Lanky rangy guards who play defense, are good at attacking the rim and have no 3 point shot.
Eddie was one of my favorite lakers, I was very disappointed when we swapped him out for that no defense playing Glenn Rice. But that lack of a 3 point shot did him in. And it is the biggest knock on DD's game. |
Bingo. Not comparing styles (as jones was a good defender) but similar career arcs. |
This comparison is ridiculous. Eddie Jones was a career 37% 3 point shooter. That's decent. He was hitting at a 39% rate when the Lakers traded him.
Derozan is a 28% 3 point shooter. There's no comparison. |
Right, because 3 point shooting percentage is the most important stat in the world. That you Byron? |
Way to knock down strawmen! Bravo!
I'm sure even you could see, heck a blind man could see, that they are not close to equal in that particular skill set, right? |
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LakerEric Star Player
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2016 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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Derozan is a solid NBA player but in this age...3 pt shooting is paramount especially from a starting guard position. Derozan is not exactly a defensive stalwart either. _________________ Do you believe it now, Trinity? - Morpheous |
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point-guard Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue May 31, 2016 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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its actually not that hard to improve you range if you already have a decent stroke fundamentally |
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LakerEric Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 2:22 am Post subject: |
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point-guard wrote: | its actually not that hard to improve you range if you already have a decent stroke fundamentally |
Interested in why he hasn't after all these seasons he's had already. _________________ Do you believe it now, Trinity? - Morpheous |
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KindCrippler2000 Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:28 am Post subject: |
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Man, I can't wait for this to be locked in a month. We're arguing over a player that won't even come here. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:29 am Post subject: |
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Mindripper2000 wrote: | Man, I can't wait for this to be locked in a month. We're arguing over a player that won't even come here. |
What happens if he does come here? _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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KindCrippler2000 Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:30 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Mindripper2000 wrote: | Man, I can't wait for this to be locked in a month. We're arguing over a player that won't even come here. |
What happens if he does come here? |
There's almost no chance. Masai has made DeRozan the first priority. |
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governator Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:30 am Post subject: |
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Mindripper2000 wrote: | Man, I can't wait for this to be locked in a month. We're arguing over a player that won't even come here. |
you know in a month, we gonna have threads for Droz, Whiteside, Hortford, KD, Bazemore, Biyombo, bla bla bla, get ready to type |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:31 am Post subject: |
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Mindripper2000 wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Mindripper2000 wrote: | Man, I can't wait for this to be locked in a month. We're arguing over a player that won't even come here. |
What happens if he does come here? |
There's almost no chance. Masai has made DeRozan the first priority. |
Alas, that's what free agency is about. No one knows how it will end up. he could stay, he could very well come here. I don't understand those who argue with such certainty about this. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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KindCrippler2000 Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:36 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Mindripper2000 wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Mindripper2000 wrote: | Man, I can't wait for this to be locked in a month. We're arguing over a player that won't even come here. |
What happens if he does come here? |
There's almost no chance. Masai has made DeRozan the first priority. |
Alas, that's what free agency is about. No one knows how it will end up. he could stay, he could very well come here. I don't understand those who argue with such certainty about this. |
http://www.si.com/mlb/2016/05/31/toronto-raptors-re-signing-demar-derozan-top-priority-masai-ujiri
They are all on the same page. They want to go for it again next year.
“Our No. 1 goal is to bring DeMar back here,” Ujiri said via ESPN. “We feel great that he wants to come back to our organization. I spoke to him [Sunday], and his eyes were still red. You could tell. He said he felt empty the next day, which was telling.
“Speaking to him and Kyle [Lowry], they almost felt like we had a game to play still, and that game is not there. There’s that hunger, and you like that, and then now, it’s my part to figure it out.”
I think DeRozan has been adamant about staying in Toronto ever since Bosh left, and Masai has a really good relationship with him (and Biz). It would be pretty uncharacteristic of him to leave a team that's guaranteed to contend in the east again. I believe he will retire a Raptor. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:38 am Post subject: |
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Mindripper2000 wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Mindripper2000 wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Mindripper2000 wrote: | Man, I can't wait for this to be locked in a month. We're arguing over a player that won't even come here. |
What happens if he does come here? |
There's almost no chance. Masai has made DeRozan the first priority. |
Alas, that's what free agency is about. No one knows how it will end up. he could stay, he could very well come here. I don't understand those who argue with such certainty about this. |
http://www.si.com/mlb/2016/05/31/toronto-raptors-re-signing-demar-derozan-top-priority-masai-ujiri
They are all on the same page. They want to go for it again next year.
“Our No. 1 goal is to bring DeMar back here,” Ujiri said via ESPN. “We feel great that he wants to come back to our organization. I spoke to him [Sunday], and his eyes were still red. You could tell. He said he felt empty the next day, which was telling.
“Speaking to him and Kyle [Lowry], they almost felt like we had a game to play still, and that game is not there. There’s that hunger, and you like that, and then now, it’s my part to figure it out.”
I think DeRozan has been adamant about staying in Toronto ever since Bosh left, and Masai has a really good relationship with him (and Biz). It would be pretty uncharacteristic of him to leave a team that's guaranteed to contend in the east again. I believe he will retire a Raptor. |
I've seen enough free agencies to know what is said 1 month before FA is just hot air. He may stay, but I certainly wouldn't bank on it without him approaching a number of teams that would offer him a max. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Jim99187 Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:50 am Post subject: |
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Mindripper2000 wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Mindripper2000 wrote: | Man, I can't wait for this to be locked in a month. We're arguing over a player that won't even come here. |
What happens if he does come here? |
There's almost no chance. Masai has made DeRozan the first priority. |
That's what Mitch, Riley and Portland gm said. They have no control over what the Ufa does |
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KindCrippler2000 Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:52 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Mindripper2000 wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Mindripper2000 wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Mindripper2000 wrote: | Man, I can't wait for this to be locked in a month. We're arguing over a player that won't even come here. |
What happens if he does come here? |
There's almost no chance. Masai has made DeRozan the first priority. |
Alas, that's what free agency is about. No one knows how it will end up. he could stay, he could very well come here. I don't understand those who argue with such certainty about this. |
http://www.si.com/mlb/2016/05/31/toronto-raptors-re-signing-demar-derozan-top-priority-masai-ujiri
They are all on the same page. They want to go for it again next year.
“Our No. 1 goal is to bring DeMar back here,” Ujiri said via ESPN. “We feel great that he wants to come back to our organization. I spoke to him [Sunday], and his eyes were still red. You could tell. He said he felt empty the next day, which was telling.
“Speaking to him and Kyle [Lowry], they almost felt like we had a game to play still, and that game is not there. There’s that hunger, and you like that, and then now, it’s my part to figure it out.”
I think DeRozan has been adamant about staying in Toronto ever since Bosh left, and Masai has a really good relationship with him (and Biz). It would be pretty uncharacteristic of him to leave a team that's guaranteed to contend in the east again. I believe he will retire a Raptor. |
I've seen enough free agencies to know what is said 1 month before FA is just hot air. He may stay, but I certainly wouldn't bank on it without him approaching a number of teams that would offer him a max. |
If the reports of the Lakers not being high on him are true, I'm guessing he'll resign with Toronto fairly early. We'll see. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:53 am Post subject: |
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Well, Ding was ironically one of the first to "report" in the Fall/Winter that the Lakers would be likely to offer a max to DRoz.
Now he's "reporting" that the Lakers aren't interested.
I'd say it's the fog of free agency.
Everyone in the Raptors organization is still on their highs re: ECF appearance. Give it a month and sober thought as he's signing away 5 years of his life. it's worth considering all angles and suitors. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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KindCrippler2000 Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:55 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Well, Ding was ironically one of the first to "report" in the Fall/Winter that the Lakers would be likely to offer a max to DRoz.
Now he's "reporting" that the Lakers aren't interested.
I'd say it's the fog of free agency.
Everyone in the Raptors organization is still on their highs re: ECF appearance. Give it a month and sober thought as he's signing away 5 years of his life. it's worth considering all angles and suitors. |
Maybe it's possible the Lakers had a change of opinion? |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:59 am Post subject: |
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Mindripper2000 wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Well, Ding was ironically one of the first to "report" in the Fall/Winter that the Lakers would be likely to offer a max to DRoz.
Now he's "reporting" that the Lakers aren't interested.
I'd say it's the fog of free agency.
Everyone in the Raptors organization is still on their highs re: ECF appearance. Give it a month and sober thought as he's signing away 5 years of his life. it's worth considering all angles and suitors. |
Maybe it's possible the Lakers had a change of opinion? |
Of course it is. But my point stands. Ding has now "reported" both ways, and knowing how airtight the Lakers FO is (i.e. no one knew that the Lakers had a performance incentive that became a team option), I'd say let's just wait until July to definitively conclude anything. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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KindCrippler2000 Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 7:10 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | Mindripper2000 wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Well, Ding was ironically one of the first to "report" in the Fall/Winter that the Lakers would be likely to offer a max to DRoz.
Now he's "reporting" that the Lakers aren't interested.
I'd say it's the fog of free agency.
Everyone in the Raptors organization is still on their highs re: ECF appearance. Give it a month and sober thought as he's signing away 5 years of his life. it's worth considering all angles and suitors. |
Maybe it's possible the Lakers had a change of opinion? |
Of course it is. But my point stands. Ding has now "reported" both ways, and knowing how airtight the Lakers FO is (i.e. no one knew that the Lakers had a performance incentive that became a team option), I'd say let's just wait until July to definitively conclude anything. |
Nothing is set in stone at this point and we'll obviously have to wait, but the air is starting to clear a bit on what both parties will do. In the meantime, it's probably best for me to avoid this thread.
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Mindripper2000 wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Mindripper2000 wrote: | yinoma2001 wrote: | Well, Ding was ironically one of the first to "report" in the Fall/Winter that the Lakers would be likely to offer a max to DRoz.
Now he's "reporting" that the Lakers aren't interested.
I'd say it's the fog of free agency.
Everyone in the Raptors organization is still on their highs re: ECF appearance. Give it a month and sober thought as he's signing away 5 years of his life. it's worth considering all angles and suitors. |
Maybe it's possible the Lakers had a change of opinion? |
Of course it is. But my point stands. Ding has now "reported" both ways, and knowing how airtight the Lakers FO is (i.e. no one knew that the Lakers had a performance incentive that became a team option), I'd say let's just wait until July to definitively conclude anything. |
Nothing is set in stone at this point and we'll obviously have to wait, but the air is starting to clear a bit on what both parties will do. In the meantime, it's probably best for me to avoid this thread.
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There's really little to discuss until free agency.
I just take these rumors of "Player X is guaranteed to go here..." with a grain of salt. 1 more month. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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