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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2016 6:21 pm    Post subject:

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Derozan is the least best All-star SG.

Sure I would like him here, but I wouldn't expect him to carry us into the Playoffs. He's like an Eddie Jones type who can get a couple All-star appearances under his belt before turning into solid role player.


Yup, I kept thinking it was Eddie Jones out there in a Raptors uni. They are so freaking similar it is remarkable. Lanky rangy guards who play defense, are good at attacking the rim and have no 3 point shot.

Eddie was one of my favorite lakers, I was very disappointed when we swapped him out for that no defense playing Glenn Rice. But that lack of a 3 point shot did him in. And it is the biggest knock on DD's game.


Bingo. Not comparing styles (as jones was a good defender) but similar career arcs.


This comparison is ridiculous. Eddie Jones was a career 37% 3 point shooter. That's decent. He was hitting at a 39% rate when the Lakers traded him.

Derozan is a 28% 3 point shooter. There's no comparison.
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yinoma2001 wrote:
Dr. Funkbot wrote:
Nash Vegas wrote:
Derozan is the least best All-star SG.

Sure I would like him here, but I wouldn't expect him to carry us into the Playoffs. He's like an Eddie Jones type who can get a couple All-star appearances under his belt before turning into solid role player.


Yup, I kept thinking it was Eddie Jones out there in a Raptors uni. They are so freaking similar it is remarkable. Lanky rangy guards who play defense, are good at attacking the rim and have no 3 point shot.

Eddie was one of my favorite lakers, I was very disappointed when we swapped him out for that no defense playing Glenn Rice. But that lack of a 3 point shot did him in. And it is the biggest knock on DD's game.


Bingo. Not comparing styles (as jones was a good defender) but similar career arcs.


This comparison is ridiculous. Eddie Jones was a career 37% 3 point shooter. That's decent. He was hitting at a 39% rate when the Lakers traded him.

Derozan is a 28% 3 point shooter. There's no comparison.


Would help to take a moment to read my post. Not a playing style comparison. Sigh.
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DzLaker wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Dr. Funkbot wrote:
Nash Vegas wrote:
Derozan is the least best All-star SG.

Sure I would like him here, but I wouldn't expect him to carry us into the Playoffs. He's like an Eddie Jones type who can get a couple All-star appearances under his belt before turning into solid role player.


Yup, I kept thinking it was Eddie Jones out there in a Raptors uni. They are so freaking similar it is remarkable. Lanky rangy guards who play defense, are good at attacking the rim and have no 3 point shot.

Eddie was one of my favorite lakers, I was very disappointed when we swapped him out for that no defense playing Glenn Rice. But that lack of a 3 point shot did him in. And it is the biggest knock on DD's game.


Bingo. Not comparing styles (as jones was a good defender) but similar career arcs.


This comparison is ridiculous. Eddie Jones was a career 37% 3 point shooter. That's decent. He was hitting at a 39% rate when the Lakers traded him.

Derozan is a 28% 3 point shooter. There's no comparison.


Right, because 3 point shooting percentage is the most important stat in the world. That you Byron?
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Yup, I kept thinking it was Eddie Jones out there in a Raptors uni. They are so freaking similar it is remarkable. Lanky rangy guards who play defense, are good at attacking the rim and have no 3 point shot.


Wait, what? Eddie was a much better shooter than DeRozan is.
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yinoma2001 wrote:
Dr. Funkbot wrote:
Nash Vegas wrote:
Derozan is the least best All-star SG.

Sure I would like him here, but I wouldn't expect him to carry us into the Playoffs. He's like an Eddie Jones type who can get a couple All-star appearances under his belt before turning into solid role player.


Yup, I kept thinking it was Eddie Jones out there in a Raptors uni. They are so freaking similar it is remarkable. Lanky rangy guards who play defense, are good at attacking the rim and have no 3 point shot.

Eddie was one of my favorite lakers, I was very disappointed when we swapped him out for that no defense playing Glenn Rice. But that lack of a 3 point shot did him in. And it is the biggest knock on DD's game.


Bingo. Not comparing styles (as jones was a good defender) but similar career arcs.


This comparison is ridiculous. Eddie Jones was a career 37% 3 point shooter. That's decent. He was hitting at a 39% rate when the Lakers traded him.

Derozan is a 28% 3 point shooter. There's no comparison.


Right, because 3 point shooting percentage is the most important stat in the world. That you Byron?


What you rather he base it on, unicorn farts? The percentages just confirm what the eye test tells you - that Eddie was a much better 3 point shooter than DRoz.
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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2016 8:03 pm    Post subject:

How about points, assists, rebounds? You know, more parts of the game of basketball.
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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2016 8:04 pm    Post subject:

This is like saying you wouldn't sleep with the least best supermodel. Come on now...
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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2016 8:50 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
DzLaker wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Dr. Funkbot wrote:
Nash Vegas wrote:
Derozan is the least best All-star SG.

Sure I would like him here, but I wouldn't expect him to carry us into the Playoffs. He's like an Eddie Jones type who can get a couple All-star appearances under his belt before turning into solid role player.


Yup, I kept thinking it was Eddie Jones out there in a Raptors uni. They are so freaking similar it is remarkable. Lanky rangy guards who play defense, are good at attacking the rim and have no 3 point shot.

Eddie was one of my favorite lakers, I was very disappointed when we swapped him out for that no defense playing Glenn Rice. But that lack of a 3 point shot did him in. And it is the biggest knock on DD's game.


Bingo. Not comparing styles (as jones was a good defender) but similar career arcs.


This comparison is ridiculous. Eddie Jones was a career 37% 3 point shooter. That's decent. He was hitting at a 39% rate when the Lakers traded him.

Derozan is a 28% 3 point shooter. There's no comparison.


Right, because 3 point shooting percentage is the most important stat in the world. That you Byron?


Way to knock down strawmen! Bravo!

I'm sure even you could see, heck a blind man could see, that they are not close to equal in that particular skill set, right?
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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2016 11:10 pm    Post subject:

Derozan is a solid NBA player but in this age...3 pt shooting is paramount especially from a starting guard position. Derozan is not exactly a defensive stalwart either.
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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2016 11:54 pm    Post subject:

its actually not that hard to improve you range if you already have a decent stroke fundamentally
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 2:22 am    Post subject:

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its actually not that hard to improve you range if you already have a decent stroke fundamentally


Interested in why he hasn't after all these seasons he's had already.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:28 am    Post subject:

Man, I can't wait for this to be locked in a month. We're arguing over a player that won't even come here.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:29 am    Post subject:

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Man, I can't wait for this to be locked in a month. We're arguing over a player that won't even come here.


What happens if he does come here?
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Man, I can't wait for this to be locked in a month. We're arguing over a player that won't even come here.


What happens if he does come here?


There's almost no chance. Masai has made DeRozan the first priority.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:30 am    Post subject:

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Man, I can't wait for this to be locked in a month. We're arguing over a player that won't even come here.


you know in a month, we gonna have threads for Droz, Whiteside, Hortford, KD, Bazemore, Biyombo, bla bla bla, get ready to type
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yinoma2001 wrote:
Mindripper2000 wrote:
Man, I can't wait for this to be locked in a month. We're arguing over a player that won't even come here.


What happens if he does come here?


There's almost no chance. Masai has made DeRozan the first priority.


Alas, that's what free agency is about. No one knows how it will end up. he could stay, he could very well come here. I don't understand those who argue with such certainty about this.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:36 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
Mindripper2000 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Mindripper2000 wrote:
Man, I can't wait for this to be locked in a month. We're arguing over a player that won't even come here.


What happens if he does come here?


There's almost no chance. Masai has made DeRozan the first priority.


Alas, that's what free agency is about. No one knows how it will end up. he could stay, he could very well come here. I don't understand those who argue with such certainty about this.


http://www.si.com/mlb/2016/05/31/toronto-raptors-re-signing-demar-derozan-top-priority-masai-ujiri

They are all on the same page. They want to go for it again next year.

“Our No. 1 goal is to bring DeMar back here,” Ujiri said via ESPN. “We feel great that he wants to come back to our organization. I spoke to him [Sunday], and his eyes were still red. You could tell. He said he felt empty the next day, which was telling.

“Speaking to him and Kyle [Lowry], they almost felt like we had a game to play still, and that game is not there. There’s that hunger, and you like that, and then now, it’s my part to figure it out.”


I think DeRozan has been adamant about staying in Toronto ever since Bosh left, and Masai has a really good relationship with him (and Biz). It would be pretty uncharacteristic of him to leave a team that's guaranteed to contend in the east again. I believe he will retire a Raptor.
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Mindripper2000 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Mindripper2000 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Mindripper2000 wrote:
Man, I can't wait for this to be locked in a month. We're arguing over a player that won't even come here.


What happens if he does come here?


There's almost no chance. Masai has made DeRozan the first priority.


Alas, that's what free agency is about. No one knows how it will end up. he could stay, he could very well come here. I don't understand those who argue with such certainty about this.


http://www.si.com/mlb/2016/05/31/toronto-raptors-re-signing-demar-derozan-top-priority-masai-ujiri

They are all on the same page. They want to go for it again next year.

“Our No. 1 goal is to bring DeMar back here,” Ujiri said via ESPN. “We feel great that he wants to come back to our organization. I spoke to him [Sunday], and his eyes were still red. You could tell. He said he felt empty the next day, which was telling.

“Speaking to him and Kyle [Lowry], they almost felt like we had a game to play still, and that game is not there. There’s that hunger, and you like that, and then now, it’s my part to figure it out.”


I think DeRozan has been adamant about staying in Toronto ever since Bosh left, and Masai has a really good relationship with him (and Biz). It would be pretty uncharacteristic of him to leave a team that's guaranteed to contend in the east again. I believe he will retire a Raptor.


I've seen enough free agencies to know what is said 1 month before FA is just hot air. He may stay, but I certainly wouldn't bank on it without him approaching a number of teams that would offer him a max.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:50 am    Post subject:

Mindripper2000 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Mindripper2000 wrote:
Man, I can't wait for this to be locked in a month. We're arguing over a player that won't even come here.


What happens if he does come here?


There's almost no chance. Masai has made DeRozan the first priority.


That's what Mitch, Riley and Portland gm said. They have no control over what the Ufa does
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:52 am    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
Mindripper2000 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Mindripper2000 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Mindripper2000 wrote:
Man, I can't wait for this to be locked in a month. We're arguing over a player that won't even come here.


What happens if he does come here?


There's almost no chance. Masai has made DeRozan the first priority.


Alas, that's what free agency is about. No one knows how it will end up. he could stay, he could very well come here. I don't understand those who argue with such certainty about this.


http://www.si.com/mlb/2016/05/31/toronto-raptors-re-signing-demar-derozan-top-priority-masai-ujiri

They are all on the same page. They want to go for it again next year.

“Our No. 1 goal is to bring DeMar back here,” Ujiri said via ESPN. “We feel great that he wants to come back to our organization. I spoke to him [Sunday], and his eyes were still red. You could tell. He said he felt empty the next day, which was telling.

“Speaking to him and Kyle [Lowry], they almost felt like we had a game to play still, and that game is not there. There’s that hunger, and you like that, and then now, it’s my part to figure it out.”


I think DeRozan has been adamant about staying in Toronto ever since Bosh left, and Masai has a really good relationship with him (and Biz). It would be pretty uncharacteristic of him to leave a team that's guaranteed to contend in the east again. I believe he will retire a Raptor.


I've seen enough free agencies to know what is said 1 month before FA is just hot air. He may stay, but I certainly wouldn't bank on it without him approaching a number of teams that would offer him a max.


If the reports of the Lakers not being high on him are true, I'm guessing he'll resign with Toronto fairly early. We'll see.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:53 am    Post subject:

Well, Ding was ironically one of the first to "report" in the Fall/Winter that the Lakers would be likely to offer a max to DRoz.

Now he's "reporting" that the Lakers aren't interested.

I'd say it's the fog of free agency.

Everyone in the Raptors organization is still on their highs re: ECF appearance. Give it a month and sober thought as he's signing away 5 years of his life. it's worth considering all angles and suitors.
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Well, Ding was ironically one of the first to "report" in the Fall/Winter that the Lakers would be likely to offer a max to DRoz.

Now he's "reporting" that the Lakers aren't interested.

I'd say it's the fog of free agency.

Everyone in the Raptors organization is still on their highs re: ECF appearance. Give it a month and sober thought as he's signing away 5 years of his life. it's worth considering all angles and suitors.


Maybe it's possible the Lakers had a change of opinion?
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Well, Ding was ironically one of the first to "report" in the Fall/Winter that the Lakers would be likely to offer a max to DRoz.

Now he's "reporting" that the Lakers aren't interested.

I'd say it's the fog of free agency.

Everyone in the Raptors organization is still on their highs re: ECF appearance. Give it a month and sober thought as he's signing away 5 years of his life. it's worth considering all angles and suitors.


Maybe it's possible the Lakers had a change of opinion?


Of course it is. But my point stands. Ding has now "reported" both ways, and knowing how airtight the Lakers FO is (i.e. no one knew that the Lakers had a performance incentive that became a team option), I'd say let's just wait until July to definitively conclude anything.
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Well, Ding was ironically one of the first to "report" in the Fall/Winter that the Lakers would be likely to offer a max to DRoz.

Now he's "reporting" that the Lakers aren't interested.

I'd say it's the fog of free agency.

Everyone in the Raptors organization is still on their highs re: ECF appearance. Give it a month and sober thought as he's signing away 5 years of his life. it's worth considering all angles and suitors.


Maybe it's possible the Lakers had a change of opinion?


Of course it is. But my point stands. Ding has now "reported" both ways, and knowing how airtight the Lakers FO is (i.e. no one knew that the Lakers had a performance incentive that became a team option), I'd say let's just wait until July to definitively conclude anything.


Nothing is set in stone at this point and we'll obviously have to wait, but the air is starting to clear a bit on what both parties will do. In the meantime, it's probably best for me to avoid this thread.

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yinoma2001 wrote:
Mindripper2000 wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
Well, Ding was ironically one of the first to "report" in the Fall/Winter that the Lakers would be likely to offer a max to DRoz.

Now he's "reporting" that the Lakers aren't interested.

I'd say it's the fog of free agency.

Everyone in the Raptors organization is still on their highs re: ECF appearance. Give it a month and sober thought as he's signing away 5 years of his life. it's worth considering all angles and suitors.


Maybe it's possible the Lakers had a change of opinion?


Of course it is. But my point stands. Ding has now "reported" both ways, and knowing how airtight the Lakers FO is (i.e. no one knew that the Lakers had a performance incentive that became a team option), I'd say let's just wait until July to definitively conclude anything.


Nothing is set in stone at this point and we'll obviously have to wait, but the air is starting to clear a bit on what both parties will do. In the meantime, it's probably best for me to avoid this thread.

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There's really little to discuss until free agency.

I just take these rumors of "Player X is guaranteed to go here..." with a grain of salt. 1 more month.
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