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| jodeke wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | Seems as though some think Hillary is a sure winner.
Food for thought. Arnold Schwarzenegger, George W Bush, reelected. Whoda thunk it?: |
That's apples to oranges. When it comes to the Presidency and the California Governor's office, incumbents from both parties have fared pretty well in the last half century or so. There's no incumbent in this race.
Not to say that pointing that out expresses any confidence in Hilary's success. |
Point is not many thought either would be reelected because of how they handled their first term. |
Again, that's not a factor in this election. Hilary isn't running against an incumbent. In fact, Trump has no track record at all in politics., which makes comparing Hilary running against Trump to anyone's re-election runs pointless.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | Seems as though some think Hillary is a sure winner.
Food for thought. Arnold Schwarzenegger, George W Bush, reelected. Whoda thunk it?: |
That's apples to oranges. When it comes to the Presidency and the California Governor's office, incumbents from both parties have fared pretty well in the last half century or so. There's no incumbent in this race.
Not to say that pointing that out expresses any confidence in Hilary's success. |
Point is not many thought either would be reelected because of how they handled their first term. |
Again, that's not a factor in this election. Hilary isn't running against an incumbent. In fact, Trump has no track record at all in politics., which makes comparing Hilary running against Trump to anyone's re-election runs pointless. |
Not talking about running against incumbents or no. I'm making a comparison saying not many thought Bush or Schwarzenegger would win second terms because of their records in office. Meaning the way Trump is campaigning it would be a surprise if he won the office but don't count him out.
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| ChefLinda wrote: | | This is why you don't waste your vote as a "protest vote" (or stay home to "protest") and presume the outcome will be okay. There are people who voted to leave the EU as a "protest" but they didn't really believe it would happen. There are millions of people who didn't vote, because they didn't believe it mattered or that GB would really leave the EU. However, just enough angry/fearful people showed up to "protest vote" without really thinking through the real-world consequences, and in doing so just upset the world economy for years to come and likely harmed themselves more than if the status quo had remained. Now picture that happening in the U.S. and multiply the world consequences by several orders of magnitude. |
The Leave campaign's fear-mongering definitely won the day. I do find it interesting that there is already a petition to have a second vote on the matter, and that it's already garnered more than 2 million signatures. |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | | This is why you don't waste your vote as a "protest vote" (or stay home to "protest") and presume the outcome will be okay. There are people who voted to leave the EU as a "protest" but they didn't really believe it would happen. There are millions of people who didn't vote, because they didn't believe it mattered or that GB would really leave the EU. However, just enough angry/fearful people showed up to "protest vote" without really thinking through the real-world consequences, and in doing so just upset the world economy for years to come and likely harmed themselves more than if the status quo had remained. Now picture that happening in the U.S. and multiply the world consequences by several orders of magnitude. |
The Leave campaign's fear-mongering definitely won the day. I do find it interesting that there is already a petition to have a second vote on the matter, and that it's already garnered more than 2 million signatures. |
No do-overs in democracy.
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Spent my undergrad in PA.
When Hillary, months ago, was up front and honest with the coal workers in PA. Telling them they'll need to re-train to get jobs in clean energy fields. I knew this election would be close.
National polls don't matter. Only thing that matters is the electoral college map.
If Trump wins Pennsylvania and Ohio. Trump wins the election and the book of Revelation becomes real. End times.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-is-leading-donald-trump-in-fl-tied-in-oh-pa/
Tons of colleges in the big cities of PA. Hillary needs a Bernie endorsement bump to get those college kids. She gets those 18-22 year olds to turn out for here. The state (and maybe the election in general) is in the bag.
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| Quote: | In new poll, support for Trump has plunged, giving Clinton a double-digit lead
Nevertheless, in a head-to-head general election matchup, Clinton leads Trump 51 percent to 39 percent among registered voters nationwide, the poll found. This is Clinton’s largest lead in Post-ABC polling since last fall and a dramatic reversal from last month’s survey, which found the nearly even, with Trump at 46 percent and Clinton at 44 percent. |
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| Huey Lewis & The News wrote: | | ChickenStu wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | | This is why you don't waste your vote as a "protest vote" (or stay home to "protest") and presume the outcome will be okay. There are people who voted to leave the EU as a "protest" but they didn't really believe it would happen. There are millions of people who didn't vote, because they didn't believe it mattered or that GB would really leave the EU. However, just enough angry/fearful people showed up to "protest vote" without really thinking through the real-world consequences, and in doing so just upset the world economy for years to come and likely harmed themselves more than if the status quo had remained. Now picture that happening in the U.S. and multiply the world consequences by several orders of magnitude. |
The Leave campaign's fear-mongering definitely won the day. I do find it interesting that there is already a petition to have a second vote on the matter, and that it's already garnered more than 2 million signatures. |
No do-overs in democracy. |
Depends on how they rule on the petition placed in May requiring a 60% win by either side for the vote to be approved.
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| 32 wrote: | | Quote: | In new poll, support for Trump has plunged, giving Clinton a double-digit lead
Nevertheless, in a head-to-head general election matchup, Clinton leads Trump 51 percent to 39 percent among registered voters nationwide, the poll found. This is Clinton’s largest lead in Post-ABC polling since last fall and a dramatic reversal from last month’s survey, which found the nearly even, with Trump at 46 percent and Clinton at 44 percent. |
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As always, outlier polls get more attention than they deserve. However . . . this particular result isn't as much of an outlier as it would have been a couple weeks ago. There have been a handful of polls showing this sort of margin. |
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| Huey Lewis & The News wrote: | | No do-overs in democracy. |
Except that the vote was never really binding. |
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| jodeke wrote: | | Point is not many thought either would be reelected because of how they handled their first term. |
What? I can't speak about Arnie, as I don't live in California. But Dub was the favorite to win reelection in 2004. |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | 32 wrote: | | Quote: | In new poll, support for Trump has plunged, giving Clinton a double-digit lead
Nevertheless, in a head-to-head general election matchup, Clinton leads Trump 51 percent to 39 percent among registered voters nationwide, the poll found. This is Clinton’s largest lead in Post-ABC polling since last fall and a dramatic reversal from last month’s survey, which found the nearly even, with Trump at 46 percent and Clinton at 44 percent. |
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As always, outlier polls get more attention than they deserve. However . . . this particular result isn't as much of an outlier as it would have been a couple weeks ago. There have been a handful of polls showing this sort of margin. |
There was also another poll today NBC/Wall Street that had Clinton up by 5 points. As you said before the State polls are the ones that will give us a better pulse on how things are going.
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Point is not many thought either would be reelected because of how they handled their first term. |
What? I can't speak about Arnie, as I don't live in California. But Dub was the favorite to win reelection in 2004. |
You're right about Bush. He and Chaney cleaned up. My thinking was he did such a poor job his reelection was a surprise, I should have said, to me.
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| Oliver Reed wrote: | http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/06/nfl-great-herschel-walker-ive-blackballed-supporting-trump-will-keep-supporting/
Hypocrisy at it's finest. Disgusting and pathetic. Herschel Walker is a good man and an honorable man to his community and has been an outstanding ambassador for any clubs he has associated himself with whether it being at Georgia or the NFL. |
He has the freedom to speak out and event organizers have the freedom to not want to be associated with Trump by hiring a vocal Trump supporter.
Walker has the freedom to tell his agent to find him venues receptive to his views. There must be lots out there, right?
Remember what happened to the Dixie Chicks for criticizing Bush? Works both ways. |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | | Oliver Reed wrote: | http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/06/nfl-great-herschel-walker-ive-blackballed-supporting-trump-will-keep-supporting/
Hypocrisy at it's finest. Disgusting and pathetic. Herschel Walker is a good man and an honorable man to his community and has been an outstanding ambassador for any clubs he has associated himself with whether it being at Georgia or the NFL. |
He has the freedom to speak out and event organizers have the freedom to not want to be associated with Trump by hiring a vocal Trump supporter.
Walker has the freedom to tell his agent to find him venues receptive to his views. There must be lots out there, right?
Remember what happened to the Dixie Chicks for criticizing Bush? Works both ways. |
Ah, the ever favorable "well, it happened to person X" argument. Sounds more like the suppression of free speech to me.
It was wrong with the Dixie Chicks and it was wrong with Walker.
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I don't blame those who canceled Walker. They have good cause. Trump events sometimes result in violent confrontations.
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| jodeke wrote: | | I don't blame those who canceled Walker. They have good cause. Trump events sometimes result in violent confrontations. |
Yah, by nut cases running around with foreign flags in the USA. In the words of Kobe in 2007, SHIP THEIR ASS OUT! If anyone supports those scumbags, you might as well start labeling treason on your shirt. Because that is how it starts.
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| Oliver Reed wrote: | http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/06/nfl-great-herschel-walker-ive-blackballed-supporting-trump-will-keep-supporting/
Hypocrisy at it's finest. Disgusting and pathetic. Herschel Walker is a good man and an honorable man to his community and has been an outstanding ambassador for any clubs he has associated himself with whether it being at Georgia or the NFL. |
This sort of reminds me of Curt Schilling complaining that ESPN axed him because of his political views. Say what you will about Ted Nugent, but at least he doesn't claim to be a victim. |
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| Oliver Reed wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | | Oliver Reed wrote: | http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/06/nfl-great-herschel-walker-ive-blackballed-supporting-trump-will-keep-supporting/
Hypocrisy at it's finest. Disgusting and pathetic. Herschel Walker is a good man and an honorable man to his community and has been an outstanding ambassador for any clubs he has associated himself with whether it being at Georgia or the NFL. |
He has the freedom to speak out and event organizers have the freedom to not want to be associated with Trump by hiring a vocal Trump supporter.
Walker has the freedom to tell his agent to find him venues receptive to his views. There must be lots out there, right?
Remember what happened to the Dixie Chicks for criticizing Bush? Works both ways. |
Ah, the ever favorable "well, it happened to person X" argument. Sounds more like the suppression of free speech to me.
It was wrong with the Dixie Chicks and it was wrong with Walker. |
Then you have no understanding of what freedom of speech means.
His speech wasn't inhibited or sanctioned by the government.
Being able to say what you want doesn't mean there are no personal or public consequences for doing so.
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Oliver Reed wrote: | http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/06/nfl-great-herschel-walker-ive-blackballed-supporting-trump-will-keep-supporting/
Hypocrisy at it's finest. Disgusting and pathetic. Herschel Walker is a good man and an honorable man to his community and has been an outstanding ambassador for any clubs he has associated himself with whether it being at Georgia or the NFL. |
This sort of reminds me of Curt Schilling complaining that ESPN axed him because of his political views. Say what you will about Ted Nugent, but at least he doesn't claim to be a victim. |
I don't know who Ted Nugent is.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | Oliver Reed wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | | Oliver Reed wrote: | http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/06/nfl-great-herschel-walker-ive-blackballed-supporting-trump-will-keep-supporting/
Hypocrisy at it's finest. Disgusting and pathetic. Herschel Walker is a good man and an honorable man to his community and has been an outstanding ambassador for any clubs he has associated himself with whether it being at Georgia or the NFL. |
He has the freedom to speak out and event organizers have the freedom to not want to be associated with Trump by hiring a vocal Trump supporter.
Walker has the freedom to tell his agent to find him venues receptive to his views. There must be lots out there, right?
Remember what happened to the Dixie Chicks for criticizing Bush? Works both ways. |
Ah, the ever favorable "well, it happened to person X" argument. Sounds more like the suppression of free speech to me.
It was wrong with the Dixie Chicks and it was wrong with Walker. |
Then you have no understanding of what freedom of speech means.
His speech wasn't inhibited or sanctioned by the government.
Being able to say what you want doesn't mean there are no personal or public consequences for doing so. |
This is 2016, not Saddam when he was running Iraq. You know very well how you can work around that without being deliberate. Just ask Zuckerberg and his cronies at Facebook how they "monitor" peoples views.
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| Oliver Reed wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | Oliver Reed wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | | Oliver Reed wrote: | http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/06/nfl-great-herschel-walker-ive-blackballed-supporting-trump-will-keep-supporting/
Hypocrisy at it's finest. Disgusting and pathetic. Herschel Walker is a good man and an honorable man to his community and has been an outstanding ambassador for any clubs he has associated himself with whether it being at Georgia or the NFL. |
He has the freedom to speak out and event organizers have the freedom to not want to be associated with Trump by hiring a vocal Trump supporter.
Walker has the freedom to tell his agent to find him venues receptive to his views. There must be lots out there, right?
Remember what happened to the Dixie Chicks for criticizing Bush? Works both ways. |
Ah, the ever favorable "well, it happened to person X" argument. Sounds more like the suppression of free speech to me.
It was wrong with the Dixie Chicks and it was wrong with Walker. |
Then you have no understanding of what freedom of speech means.
His speech wasn't inhibited or sanctioned by the government.
Being able to say what you want doesn't mean there are no personal or public consequences for doing so. |
This is 2016, not Saddam when he was running Iraq. You know very well how you can work around that without being deliberate. Just ask Zuckerberg and his cronies at Facebook how they "monitor" peoples views. |
Doesn't matter what year it is. This isn't a free speech issue.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | Oliver Reed wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | Oliver Reed wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | | Oliver Reed wrote: | http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/06/nfl-great-herschel-walker-ive-blackballed-supporting-trump-will-keep-supporting/
Hypocrisy at it's finest. Disgusting and pathetic. Herschel Walker is a good man and an honorable man to his community and has been an outstanding ambassador for any clubs he has associated himself with whether it being at Georgia or the NFL. |
He has the freedom to speak out and event organizers have the freedom to not want to be associated with Trump by hiring a vocal Trump supporter.
Walker has the freedom to tell his agent to find him venues receptive to his views. There must be lots out there, right?
Remember what happened to the Dixie Chicks for criticizing Bush? Works both ways. |
Ah, the ever favorable "well, it happened to person X" argument. Sounds more like the suppression of free speech to me.
It was wrong with the Dixie Chicks and it was wrong with Walker. |
Then you have no understanding of what freedom of speech means.
His speech wasn't inhibited or sanctioned by the government.
Being able to say what you want doesn't mean there are no personal or public consequences for doing so. |
This is 2016, not Saddam when he was running Iraq. You know very well how you can work around that without being deliberate. Just ask Zuckerberg and his cronies at Facebook how they "monitor" peoples views. |
Doesn't matter what year it is. This isn't a free speech issue. |
No, its trying to deny a man a living for his views issue. A good man.
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| Oliver Reed wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | Oliver Reed wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | Oliver Reed wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | | Oliver Reed wrote: | http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/06/nfl-great-herschel-walker-ive-blackballed-supporting-trump-will-keep-supporting/
Hypocrisy at it's finest. Disgusting and pathetic. Herschel Walker is a good man and an honorable man to his community and has been an outstanding ambassador for any clubs he has associated himself with whether it being at Georgia or the NFL. |
He has the freedom to speak out and event organizers have the freedom to not want to be associated with Trump by hiring a vocal Trump supporter.
Walker has the freedom to tell his agent to find him venues receptive to his views. There must be lots out there, right?
Remember what happened to the Dixie Chicks for criticizing Bush? Works both ways. |
Ah, the ever favorable "well, it happened to person X" argument. Sounds more like the suppression of free speech to me.
It was wrong with the Dixie Chicks and it was wrong with Walker. |
Then you have no understanding of what freedom of speech means.
His speech wasn't inhibited or sanctioned by the government.
Being able to say what you want doesn't mean there are no personal or public consequences for doing so. |
This is 2016, not Saddam when he was running Iraq. You know very well how you can work around that without being deliberate. Just ask Zuckerberg and his cronies at Facebook how they "monitor" peoples views. |
Doesn't matter what year it is. This isn't a free speech issue. |
No, its trying to deny a man a living for his views issue. A good man. |
A venue owner has the freedom to award or not a opportunity for one to hold a speaking engagement at their location. You're asking one freedom be recognized but ignoring another.
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No, its trying to deny a man a living for his views issue. A good man. |
Again, if you're going to be vocal politically, you can't claim to be a victim when people react accordingly.
He's free to say what he wants. Nothing is stopping that. There are people who think a "good man" wouldn't openly advocate for a man who is clearly a bad man and dangerous to the country and they are allowed to react accordingly as long as it is within the law.
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