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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:10 pm    Post subject:

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One that doesn't already exist? Personal finance.


Yep. Then maybe getting that 200k degree in some humanities field wouldn't look so hot.


Wait, what's wrong with a 200 k humanities degree? I regret having majored in Economics instead of English.




I'm actually curious. Does having been an English major totally screw you over or something?

I took a PhD level English class on Victorian Lit my last semester and really regret not having more of those sorts of classes.


Let's just say you don't see many engineering or computer science graduates serving coffee at Starbucks.

Not saying humanities classes aren't valuable, they just don't help you at all if you make them your primary focus. And they're never worth the cost some kids are paying these days. There are very few tenured university teaching jobs available.


What do you think about Economics? So are you saying that my original decision wasn't so stupid after all?

I don't know. I just felt really bad at the end of college knowing that I majored in something I hated instead of something I actually enjoyed.


As an Economics major, when I first graduated, I found it to be viewed only slightly better than the rest of the Social Sciences. Unfortunately, the UC's didnt have Finance or Accounting as majors otherwise that was the route I would have gone. Looking back, getting one of those degrees at a Cal State might have been the wiser route for me. Every humanities major I still keep in touch with is either doing something completely unrelated or parlayed it into becoming lawyers.

Just curious, which UC did you go to? I'm pretty sure most of them have some type of Business major from which you can unofficially choose to emphasize in Finance or Accounting. For instance I actually just graduated from Santa Cruz with a degree in "Business Management Economics" with an accounting emphasis.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:15 pm    Post subject:

^ Irvine. Keep in mind I started 2 decades ago. We definitely didn't have any program like that when I was there. As I mentioned, I believe they added undergraduate programs to their business program (it was only an MBA program back then) but it was well after I was out of school.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:17 pm    Post subject:

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^ Irvine. Keep in mind I started 2 decades ago. We definitely didn't have any program like that when I was there. As I mentioned, I believe they added undergraduate programs to their business program (it was only an MBA program back then) but it was well after I was out of school.


So would you say I made a mistake by majoring in Econ instead of English?
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Don't know if this falls under a current category but, Work Ethics.

Teach kids that NOTHING is handed to them. To be someone, you have to work at it and fail.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:51 am    Post subject:

AY2043 wrote:
jonnybravo wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
DuncanIdaho wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
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CandyCanes wrote:
DuncanIdaho wrote:
Huey Lewis & The News wrote:
One that doesn't already exist? Personal finance.


Yep. Then maybe getting that 200k degree in some humanities field wouldn't look so hot.


Wait, what's wrong with a 200 k humanities degree? I regret having majored in Economics instead of English.




I'm actually curious. Does having been an English major totally screw you over or something?

I took a PhD level English class on Victorian Lit my last semester and really regret not having more of those sorts of classes.


Let's just say you don't see many engineering or computer science graduates serving coffee at Starbucks.

Not saying humanities classes aren't valuable, they just don't help you at all if you make them your primary focus. And they're never worth the cost some kids are paying these days. There are very few tenured university teaching jobs available.


What do you think about Economics? So are you saying that my original decision wasn't so stupid after all?

I don't know. I just felt really bad at the end of college knowing that I majored in something I hated instead of something I actually enjoyed.


As an Economics major, when I first graduated, I found it to be viewed only slightly better than the rest of the Social Sciences. Unfortunately, the UC's didnt have Finance or Accounting as majors otherwise that was the route I would have gone. Looking back, getting one of those degrees at a Cal State might have been the wiser route for me. Every humanities major I still keep in touch with is either doing something completely unrelated or parlayed it into becoming lawyers.

Just curious, which UC did you go to? I'm pretty sure most of them have some type of Business major from which you can unofficially choose to emphasize in Finance or Accounting. For instance I actually just graduated from Santa Cruz with a degree in "Business Management Economics" with an accounting emphasis.


The problem is not the major. The problem is the unintended consequences of guaranteed student loans by government without tuition rate regulation. This imbalance of supply/demand drive up the price. Without salaries being adjusted to the increased tuitions, some majors (such as english) becomes a poor investment if you calculate the ROI
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Foreign Language.


Foreign language is already required. But I do agree that it should be taught earlier than high school
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Foreign Language.


Foreign language is already required. But I do agree that it should be taught earlier than high school

Funny you guys are saying that. Years ago my uncle told me to learn to speak Spanish. His reasoning was, we took California from Mexico with guns, Mexico's taking it back with numbers.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:09 pm    Post subject:

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^ Irvine. Keep in mind I started 2 decades ago. We definitely didn't have any program like that when I was there. As I mentioned, I believe they added undergraduate programs to their business program (it was only an MBA program back then) but it was well after I was out of school.


So would you say I made a mistake by majoring in Econ instead of English?


Nah, Econ degree from an Ivy league will get you plenty of interviews. You're doing fine. It won't preclude you from getting just about any graduate degree (except the vocation specific ones) if that's the path you choose.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:21 pm    Post subject:

Personal finance and debate. The former is obvious, and I think the latter teaches both argumentation and empathy.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:36 pm    Post subject:

A critical thinking or logic course. Those are mental skills that definitely need continual practice and training, and they pay off in dividends in all mental avenues. Also, it's appropriate in an academic setting, unlike some of the other suggestions here.
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jonnybravo wrote:
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^ Irvine. Keep in mind I started 2 decades ago. We definitely didn't have any program like that when I was there. As I mentioned, I believe they added undergraduate programs to their business program (it was only an MBA program back then) but it was well after I was out of school.


So would you say I made a mistake by majoring in Econ instead of English?


Nah, Econ degree from an Ivy league will get you plenty of interviews. You're doing fine. It won't preclude you from getting just about any graduate degree (except the vocation specific ones) if that's the path you choose.


Do you think I would be significantly worse off with the English major instead?

Don't know. I just really like reading books. I guess I can always read books/learn theory on my own time though. Just seemed cool to enjoy your work as opposed to hating it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 4:06 pm    Post subject:

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A critical thinking or logic course.

Yes. Add in the Socratic Method (now never even mentioned until law school).
The current indoctrination system is certainly no accident.
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^ Irvine. Keep in mind I started 2 decades ago. We definitely didn't have any program like that when I was there. As I mentioned, I believe they added undergraduate programs to their business program (it was only an MBA program back then) but it was well after I was out of school.


So would you say I made a mistake by majoring in Econ instead of English?


Nah, Econ degree from an Ivy league will get you plenty of interviews. You're doing fine. It won't preclude you from getting just about any graduate degree (except the vocation specific ones) if that's the path you choose.


Do you think I would be significantly worse off with the English major instead?

Don't know. I just really like reading books. I guess I can always read books/learn theory on my own time though. Just seemed cool to enjoy your work as opposed to hating it.


Pretty much this. I'm an absolutely voracious reader and I honestly never cared much for becoming an English major. I spent more time reading on my own by several orders of magnitude than the English majors I know/am friends with. What you majored in shouldn't stop you from enjoying it. Personally, if I "have" to do something, I'd start to hate it. For instance, I came out and got a job immediately in the gaming industry. I grew up loving video games but eventually began to despise doing what I did for a living. A friend of mine that stayed in the industry is way up the food chain now and he was just like me growing up. Now he doesn't even own a video game system. Strange how things work.

As far as whether or not the English major would be demonstrably worse? I'd say it depends. A friend of mind now works in marketing at a book publisher. I'm sure her English major didn't hurt her in that industry.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:06 pm    Post subject:

Would you say there's anything about English that you can't just learn on your own? You can obviously read the books/analysis on your own, so I guess all you're really missing out on is lectures and discussion. But most lectures and discussions are bad anyway. (Or you could always just join a book club.)

For Econ, I pretty much could have just learned all of it on my own.

I don't know, I guess going into college I was more concerned with picking at least one employable major.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:31 pm    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
Would you say there's anything about English that you can't just learn on your own? You can obviously read the books/analysis on your own, so I guess all you're really missing out on is lectures and discussion. But most lectures and discussions are bad anyway. (Or you could always just join a book club.)

For Econ, I pretty much could have just learned all of it on my own.

I don't know, I guess going into college I was more concerned with picking at least one employable major.


Master public speaking and (bleep) english classes

Who wants a person who can't get their point across

**Someone in this thread suggested debate team

I have a HORROR story about high school debate team and you know why your politicians are this way because of it

I had a friend who was the quarterback and some other valedictorian etc.. I sat in on high school debate team once with him.. (his class)

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The teacher straight up told them

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I don't care what you say just get them to agree with you


English may go a lot further than you realize when you out talk those uppity mother (bleep) above the glass ceiling...
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:23 am    Post subject:

Yeah, a debate class is not something I want focused on by students. Who wins debates is often the person who's just better at psychologically manipulating their opponent and the judges/audience, not necessarily who structures an argument better. Have a logic course, and students can learn how to formally structure arguments, and spot fallacious arguments. Logic isn't about rhetoric and emotions, like debates often are, it's not about convincing anyone, it's about sound reasoning.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2016 11:53 am    Post subject:

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Don't know if this falls under a current category but, Work Ethics.

Teach kids that NOTHING is handed to them. To be someone, you have to work at it and fail.


Parents suck these days so bad we need a class to do their job.
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