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Jim99187
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | | epak wrote: | | Quote: | Steve KylerVerified account @stevekylerNBA 6h6 hours ago
Steve Kyler Retweeted magic4519
Steer clear of these YIBADA and Inquisitr sites - they are just manufactured click bait. Lakers are out of cash |
Steve is half right.
Stay clear of those 2 sites. Horrendous sites, with crap content. |
But what does he mean we're out of cash? I don't follow cap rules closely, but I thought we had as much as $13 million by holding out on signing a few players last? All that talk about why Ingram isn't signed yet? |
Yeah, Kyler is wrong on that. |
which is true most of the time |
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pmacla
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a fan opinion, article linked is from Lakers Nation, is now what is considered journalism in this day and age |
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This should be interesting...
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 10:31 am Post subject: |
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| pmacla wrote: |
a fan opinion, article linked is from Lakers Nation, is now what is considered journalism in this day and age |
For real 
Sites like Bleacher Report have completely ruined sports journalism because there is virtually no separation between a real journalist and some schmo's opinion who has access to the internet. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 10:48 am Post subject: |
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| Karmaloop wrote: |
This should be interesting... |
Basically writer liked the deals but not the length both of which were 4 years.
| Quote: | Here is what Deng received compared to players with similar qualities:
Luol Deng (LAL): 4 years. $72 million
Arron Afflalo (SAC): 2 years, $25 million (Team Option for year 2)
Jared Dudley (PHX): 3 years. $30 million
Joe Johnson (UTA): 2 years, $22 million
Marvin Williams (CHA): 4 years, $54 million
And here is how Mozgov’s deal stacks up:
Timofey Mozgov (LAL): 4 years, $64 million
Festus Ezeli (POR): 2 years, $14.7 million (second year non-guaranteed)
Al Jefferson (IND): 3 years, $30 million
Tyler Zeller (BOS): 2 years, $16 million (Team Option for year 2)
Nene (HOU): 1 year, $2.9 million |
The only player I would also take from the list is Ezeli. The problem with Festus is nobody wanted him that bad specially Luke. There may be a good reason for it. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:01 am Post subject: |
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Everyone passed on Ezeli. Must be major injury concerns, BBALL IQ issues.
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Another dreamer who thinks we can sign two all star max players next offseason when we haven't been able to sign one in 3 seasons. And if they could have signed Mozgov and Deng for 2 years they probably would have.
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So, with the 12-13m in max cap space left that we could generate, are there players that are candidates in a Calderon like deal?
Tyreke Evans (injured): 10m
Splitter (injured): 10m
T.Allen: 5m
PJ Tucker: 5m
Taj: 9m
J.Holiday: 11m
Ilyasova: 8.5m
Players with 2nd year being player option:
Monroe: 17m
Gay: 13m
Stuckey: 7.5m
McBob: 6m
Hawes: 6m
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:51 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | So, with the 12-13m in max cap space left that we could generate, are there players that are candidates in a Calderon like deal?
Tyreke Evans (injured): 10m
Splitter (injured): 10m
T.Allen: 5m
PJ Tucker: 5m
Taj: 9m
J.Holiday: 11m
Ilyasova: 8.5m
Players with 2nd year being player option:
Monroe: 17m
Gay: 13m
Stuckey: 7.5m
McBob: 6m
Hawes: 6m |
problem is there are not many wade like UFA's for whom the team needs to clear cap space for |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | So, with the 12-13m in max cap space left that we could generate, are there players that are candidates in a Calderon like deal?
Tyreke Evans (injured): 10m
Splitter (injured): 10m
T.Allen: 5m
PJ Tucker: 5m
Taj: 9m
J.Holiday: 11m
Ilyasova: 8.5m
Players with 2nd year being player option:
Monroe: 17m
Gay: 13m
Stuckey: 7.5m
McBob: 6m
Hawes: 6m |
I read somewhere that we have 6M in cap I would like to see if we can somehow get Tony Allen or PJ Tucker. |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | So, with the 12-13m in max cap space left that we could generate, are there players that are candidates in a Calderon like deal?
Tyreke Evans (injured): 10m
Splitter (injured): 10m
T.Allen: 5m
PJ Tucker: 5m
Taj: 9m
J.Holiday: 11m
Ilyasova: 8.5m
Players with 2nd year being player option:
Monroe: 17m
Gay: 13m
Stuckey: 7.5m
McBob: 6m
Hawes: 6m |
I said Tyreke would be nice about a month ago but of course the injury concerns are real.
I think he'd be a nice foil alongside Russell and Ingram |
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| lakerhaterhater wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | So, with the 12-13m in max cap space left that we could generate, are there players that are candidates in a Calderon like deal?
Tyreke Evans (injured): 10m
Splitter (injured): 10m
T.Allen: 5m
PJ Tucker: 5m
Taj: 9m
J.Holiday: 11m
Ilyasova: 8.5m
Players with 2nd year being player option:
Monroe: 17m
Gay: 13m
Stuckey: 7.5m
McBob: 6m
Hawes: 6m |
I said Tyreke would be nice about a month ago but of course the injury concerns are real.
I think he'd be a nice foil alongside Russell and Ingram |
As someone mentioned, seems the FA pool has dried up considerably. I wouldn't be surprised if we hear about Ingram's signing pretty soon.
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How about this trade?
Kings trade:Gay and McLemore
Kings get:Lou and Young
Gay is frustrated in Sacramento and the Kings could look to move him. Lou and Young give them some firepower off the bench.
Pelicans trade:Evans and a 2 2nd round picks
Pelicans get:Gay
Pelicans get Gay who would help them at SF. He also gives them versatility and would allow them to play small ball by putting him at PF and move Davis over to C.
Lakers trade:Lou and Young
Lakers get:Evans,McLemore, and a 2 2nd round picks
Evans if healthy would be a much better fit than Lou off the bench for us next season. McLemore is a former lottery pick and could benefit from a change of scenery. Both players are on expiring contracts which would give us more cap space next summer. We also pick up a couple more 2nds. |
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Not sure Sacto is thrilled with Lou AND Young. Maybe Lou + 2nd round picks (and cap space).
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 11:22 am Post subject: |
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| Hero Ball wrote: | | Karmaloop wrote: |
This should be interesting... |
Basically writer liked the deals but not the length both of which were 4 years.
| Quote: | Here is what Deng received compared to players with similar qualities:
Luol Deng (LAL): 4 years. $72 million
Arron Afflalo (SAC): 2 years, $25 million (Team Option for year 2)
Jared Dudley (PHX): 3 years. $30 million
Joe Johnson (UTA): 2 years, $22 million
Marvin Williams (CHA): 4 years, $54 million
And here is how Mozgov’s deal stacks up:
Timofey Mozgov (LAL): 4 years, $64 million
Festus Ezeli (POR): 2 years, $14.7 million (second year non-guaranteed)
Al Jefferson (IND): 3 years, $30 million
Tyler Zeller (BOS): 2 years, $16 million (Team Option for year 2)
Nene (HOU): 1 year, $2.9 million |
The only player I would also take from the list is Ezeli. The problem with Festus is nobody wanted him that bad specially Luke. There may be a good reason for it. |
Deng is a better player than all of his comparables and so is Mozgov. I mean, ask yourself had Mozgov switched places with Ezeli in the Final and replaced injured Bogut, does GSW still blow a 3-1 lead? I don't think so. Ezeli was completely out of his element. The stage was too big for him. We've seen what Mozgov can do given minutes in the NBA Finals. He's nowhere as limited as Ezeli is. And has been said repeatedly, you gotta pony up more money/term when you're the 2nd worst team in the league in the standings. Nobody ever takes a discount to play for a team at the bottom. |
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Did Lebron re-up with CLE yet? How much cap space do we have left?
Maybe he'll take a discount to come here?
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I could see Sacramento having interest in Calderon over cap space if they traded Gay. They have a pick swap obligation and a new coach so no incentive to bottom out. Unless it were about saving money Jose is probably a better get than what the space would give them at this point. Collision is their lone PG right now (also was brought up on felony charges in June).
Not sure if Gay to NOH is sourced or speculation, but Gay (NOH), Evans (LAL), Calderon (SAC) makes some sense if LA gets assets out of the arrangement. The direct SAC/NOH deal is less interesting because Evans is hurt and has already had his unsuccessful stint in a Kings uniform.
I think LA has real plans to use Calderon this year as the team needs veteran guidance. So I would imagine they would want a motivating return for him. Maybe they could upgrade one of the 2nd rounders into a future first rounder in the deal.
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| Laker's Fan wrote: | I could see Sacramento having interest in Calderon over cap space if they traded Gay. They have a pick swap obligation and a new coach so no incentive to bottom out. Unless it were about saving money Jose is probably a better get than what the space would give them at this point. Collision is their lone PG right now (also was brought up on felony charges in June).
Not sure if Gay to NOH is sourced or speculation, but Gay (NOH), Evans (LAL), Calderon (SAC) makes some sense if LA gets assets out of the arrangement. The direct SAC/NOH deal is less interesting because Evans is hurt and has already had his unsuccessful stint in a Kings uniform.
I think LA has real plans to use Calderon this year as the team needs veteran guidance. So I would imagine they would want a motivating return for him. Maybe they could upgrade one of the 2nd rounders into a future first rounder in the deal. |
man that defense with Calderon @PG and Lou @ SG? jesus
I would just do Calderon/n young for Gay. add 1 2nd pick from calderon thread |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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Why do you guys keep wanting to acquire an expensive, poor defending chucker with a contract that will hamper our cap space next year?
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Why do you guys keep wanting to acquire an expensive, poor defending chucker with a contract that will hamper our cap space next year? |
Sexy name.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Why do you guys keep wanting to acquire an expensive, poor defending chucker with a contract that will hamper our cap space next year? |
no omar, we are trading that guy away not bringing 1 in  |
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| Jim99187 wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | Why do you guys keep wanting to acquire an expensive, poor defending chucker with a contract that will hamper our cap space next year? |
no omar, we are trading that guy away not bringing 1 in |
Actually you are. You're bringing in a guy who isn't much more of a defender, is a poorer passer, and is far less efficient a scorer, and doubling your cap hit.
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| Jim99187 wrote: | | Laker's Fan wrote: | I could see Sacramento having interest in Calderon over cap space if they traded Gay. They have a pick swap obligation and a new coach so no incentive to bottom out. Unless it were about saving money Jose is probably a better get than what the space would give them at this point. Collision is their lone PG right now (also was brought up on felony charges in June).
Not sure if Gay to NOH is sourced or speculation, but Gay (NOH), Evans (LAL), Calderon (SAC) makes some sense if LA gets assets out of the arrangement. The direct SAC/NOH deal is less interesting because Evans is hurt and has already had his unsuccessful stint in a Kings uniform.
I think LA has real plans to use Calderon this year as the team needs veteran guidance. So I would imagine they would want a motivating return for him. Maybe they could upgrade one of the 2nd rounders into a future first rounder in the deal. |
man that defense with Calderon @PG and Lou @ SG? jesus
I would just do Calderon/n young for Gay. add 1 2nd pick from calderon thread |
Not to mention that they are backed up by that defensive juggernaut that is Marcelo "Marcelinho" Tieppo Huertas!  |
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Jim99187 wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | Why do you guys keep wanting to acquire an expensive, poor defending chucker with a contract that will hamper our cap space next year? |
no omar, we are trading that guy away not bringing 1 in |
Actually you are. You're bringing in a guy who isn't much more of a defender, is a poorer passer, and is far less efficient a scorer, and doubling your cap hit. |
Rudy Gay is this century's Purvis Short. If he's your leading scorer, you're going nowhere, which is where Gay has lead his teams over the years. |
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