Actually, when was the last time there was any mention of Nick Young and any off the field antics? And was he to blame for the leaked video. Yea, his basketball sucks of lately but he was decent under D'antoni (maybe a trade to Houston?). The vitriol for him on this thread almost seems personal.
JR Smith has a ring. If that bum can turn it around, then I have hope for Nick Young. Especially in this new system.
He's hit rock bottom, he's heard all the negative talk. Just like everyone else he has an inner circle that's hopefully telling him the right things so that he can turn it around this year, Laker or not. (Hopefully not)
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:35 pm Post subject:
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Actually, when was the last time there was any mention of Nick Young and any off the field antics? And was he to blame for the leaked video. Yea, his basketball sucks of lately but he was decent under D'antoni (maybe a trade to Houston?). The vitriol for him on this thread almost seems personal.
Oh, no more off the field antics recently, not really... other than continuously screwing around on Iggy, getting caught on his own video camera cheating on her to the point where she finally left him a couple weeks ago, getting his former gf pregnant again, and coming real close to blowing his shooting hand off acting like an idiot on July 4.
JR Smith has a ring. If that bum can turn it around, then I have hope for Nick Young. Especially in this new system.
He's hit rock bottom, he's heard all the negative talk. Just like everyone else he has an inner circle that's hopefully telling him the right things so that he can turn it around this year, Laker or not. (Hopefully not)
If the Lakers keep him hopefully he can work it out with Russell, it doesn't seem like Clarkson minds hanging out with him.
Actually, when was the last time there was any mention of Nick Young and any off the field antics? And was he to blame for the leaked video. Yea, his basketball sucks of lately but he was decent under D'antoni (maybe a trade to Houston?). The vitriol for him on this thread almost seems personal.
Oh, no more off the field antics recently, not really... other than continuously screwing around on Iggy, getting caught on his own video camera cheating on her to the point where she finally left him a couple weeks ago, getting his former gf pregnant again, and coming real close to blowing his shooting hand off acting like an idiot on July 4.
Does this stuff matter at all? The problem is the way he plays. He is a knucklehead on the court.
I disagree strongly with the people wanting Nick gone because the off court stuff OR stupidity on the court. If I were the boss, I'd give him this year as a chance to show his stuff, 100% and ignore anything else anyone is saying.
He's a great 3 point shooter. GREAT. Outside of Kobe, we have not had a shooter like this for a long time. You're not going to survive in this league without elite 3point shooting somewhere on the team. Don't let all this Lebron nonsense fool you. He's lucky and he's handed these rings on a silver platter. JR and Irving are hitting the huge shots. We can't do what Lebron does...we're in the west and we're going to have to hit some shots. It doesn't matter how great of a teammate you are or how nice...this is not cleveland, this is not san antonio. That's not going to bring success. We need to make shots while the refs are screwing us, and to do that we need ACTUAL good shooters. Not a bunch of people who can do everything BUT shoot. Clarkson, as much as we like him, is not the shooter Nick is. Neither is Dlo, and he has to be setting everyone up anyway. Ingram may or may not become elite...but Nick is already elite and proven.
You guys (not anyone specifically) complained all throughout Pau's and Odom's time here. And they were better than anyone we can hope to get right now. Pau and Odom are HoF players....we were complaining about them like some mid tier player trying to find a spot on the roster. It's ridiculous. It's fine to have high expectations, but realize what we have...and elite 3point shooter. Where are we going to get another one?
Not wanting Nick Young on this team has nothing to do with his questionable basketball fit at this point -- it actually has nothing to do with basketball. He is a goof (even if generally good natured) who has questionable work ethic and focus.
And the DLo situation and his inability to give any indication that he would be willing to get over it only stamped his ticket off the team.
Not wanting Nick Young on this team has nothing to do with his questionable basketball fit at this point -- it actually has nothing to do with basketball. He is a goof (even if generally good natured) who has questionable work ethic and focus.
And the DLo situation and his inability to give any indication that he would be willing to get over it only stamped his ticket off the team.
you guys are calling him a goof based on what we saw while we were tanking. that's not a great reason. when the team is tanking and losing on purpose, who is looking great? who is playing awesome? how does a team lose on purpose yet look good doing it?
I'm saying wait for a year (this year) where the team tries to win before judging if a player is capable of doing well.
let's say we get rid of him. all we accomplish is lose a great shooter. Do we get another good shooter? who? do we not care? is his personality so toxic that he just needs to be gone? seems so extreme. he's not any dumber than randle.
attitude wise, the best guy on the team is clarkson. but clarkson can't shoot like nick. we need both, keep them, let's try to win then judge.
Not wanting Nick Young on this team has nothing to do with his questionable basketball fit at this point -- it actually has nothing to do with basketball. He is a goof (even if generally good natured) who has questionable work ethic and focus.
And the DLo situation and his inability to give any indication that he would be willing to get over it only stamped his ticket off the team.
you guys are calling him a goof based on what we saw while we were tanking. that's not a great reason. when the team is tanking and losing on purpose, who is looking great? who is playing awesome? how does a team lose on purpose yet look good doing it?
I'm saying wait for a year (this year) where the team tries to win before judging if a player is capable of doing well.
let's say we get rid of him. all we accomplish is lose a great shooter. Do we get another good shooter? who? do we not care? is his personality so toxic that he just needs to be gone? seems so extreme. he's not any dumber than randle.
attitude wise, the best guy on the team is clarkson. but clarkson can't shoot like nick. we need both, keep them, let's try to win then judge.
There is a reason we were able to get him for the veterans minimum 3 years ago, and a reason no other team has ever kept him long term. He has some one on one break down skills, but he throws a wrench in to the team game when he is on the floor. He just hangs out behind the three point line and waives off any directions to set screens or move off the ball. He wants the offense to break down because then the team will look to throw it to him for a bail out. He is a fantasy all-american but on a real team, he hurts more than he helps.
He's a good 3-point shooter, not great. When it comes to 3-point shooting, 38% is the point when players start becoming impressive, and he's only hit the 38% mark once in the last 5 years.
Over the past 5 years, he's hit about 36% from 3-point land, which is roughly the league average. Now, early in his career, he had a couple of 40% years, but that was a basketball lifetime ago.
He shoots 3-pointers very well from the corners, and less well from other parts of the court. The big problem is he's undisciplined, and often drifts on possessions, which upsets spacing and can disrupt everyone else's 3-point shooting.
If his concentration and court awareness were better, he could potentially be a great 3-point shooter, but at this point in his career that boat has probably sailed.
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Not wanting Nick Young on this team has nothing to do with his questionable basketball fit at this point -- it actually has nothing to do with basketball. He is a goof (even if generally good natured) who has questionable work ethic and focus.
And the DLo situation and his inability to give any indication that he would be willing to get over it only stamped his ticket off the team.
you guys are calling him a goof based on what we saw while we were tanking. that's not a great reason. when the team is tanking and losing on purpose, who is looking great? who is playing awesome? how does a team lose on purpose yet look good doing it?
I'm saying wait for a year (this year) where the team tries to win before judging if a player is capable of doing well.
let's say we get rid of him. all we accomplish is lose a great shooter. Do we get another good shooter? who? do we not care? is his personality so toxic that he just needs to be gone? seems so extreme. he's not any dumber than randle.
attitude wise, the best guy on the team is clarkson. but clarkson can't shoot like nick. we need both, keep them, let's try to win then judge.
There is a reason we were able to get him for the veterans minimum 3 years ago, and a reason no other team has ever kept him long term. He has some one on one break down skills, but he throws a wrench in to the team game when he is on the floor. He just hangs out behind the three point line and waives off any directions to set screens or move off the ball. He wants the offense to break down because then the team will look to throw it to him for a bail out. He is a fantasy all-american but on a real team, he hurts more than he helps.
I get all that. I get that he can be a knuicklehead. I wouldn't necessarily say that he WANTS the offense to break down and is sabtoging the team...these are your interpretations of him just playing dumb (during a time when the team is tanking, mind you). So what?
He can do this:
and this:
he did that to lebron 1on1. Very few do that, very few even attempt. Because he is nuts. But it's something we're going to need. we pay coaches millions to handle his craziness. getting rid of him would just lose the team elite talent, and it would be difficult and expensive to replace. so just hold on, let us try to win, and then do something. you guys are assuming this is going to be addition by subtraction, and i don't see that at all. that only works if his talent is disposable or very common.
Actually, when was the last time there was any mention of Nick Young and any off the field antics? .
Last month, when he was recorded picking up a lit firework and it exploded in his hand.
If you google, "Nick Young almost blows off his hand playing with fireworks" you can read all about it.
He actually filmed it:
He's just a goofball, which is OK. The problem is that he had a run-in with Russell, who is much more important to the Lakers. If Young were a better player, the Lakers would probably try to smooth things out, but since he's a run-of-the-mill journeyman they won't risk having him around when they are trying to build cohesion with a young core.
The signings of Mosgoz and Deng signal to me that the Lakers want to create a more professional atmosphere, and they don't want Swaggy antics.
Not wanting Nick Young on this team has nothing to do with his questionable basketball fit at this point -- it actually has nothing to do with basketball. He is a goof (even if generally good natured) who has questionable work ethic and focus.
And the DLo situation and his inability to give any indication that he would be willing to get over it only stamped his ticket off the team.
you guys are calling him a goof based on what we saw while we were tanking. that's not a great reason. when the team is tanking and losing on purpose, who is looking great? who is playing awesome? how does a team lose on purpose yet look good doing it?
I'm saying wait for a year (this year) where the team tries to win before judging if a player is capable of doing well.
let's say we get rid of him. all we accomplish is lose a great shooter. Do we get another good shooter? who? do we not care? is his personality so toxic that he just needs to be gone? seems so extreme. he's not any dumber than randle.
attitude wise, the best guy on the team is clarkson. but clarkson can't shoot like nick. we need both, keep them, let's try to win then judge.
There is a reason we were able to get him for the veterans minimum 3 years ago, and a reason no other team has ever kept him long term. He has some one on one break down skills, but he throws a wrench in to the team game when he is on the floor. He just hangs out behind the three point line and waives off any directions to set screens or move off the ball. He wants the offense to break down because then the team will look to throw it to him for a bail out. He is a fantasy all-american but on a real team, he hurts more than he helps.
I get all that. I get that he can be a knuicklehead. I wouldn't necessarily say that he WANTS the offense to break down and is sabtoging the team...these are your interpretations of him just playing dumb (during a time when the team is tanking, mind you). So what?
He can do this:
and this:
he did that to lebron 1on1. Very few do that, very few even attempt. Because he is nuts. But it's something we're going to need. we pay coaches millions to handle his craziness. getting rid of him would just lose the team elite talent, and it would be difficult and expensive to replace. so just hold on, let us try to win, and then do something. you guys are assuming this is going to be addition by subtraction, and i don't see that at all. that only works if his talent is disposable or very common.
I don't think he sabotages the offense consciously, but you can't say he doesn't often refuse to go along with the play. It has been habitualized in to him that if he just hangs around outside the three point line he will get a chance to put on a wiggle a shake and a three point attempt. I like those clips you posted. Like I said earlier he is very skilled, I just don't think he is good for on the court culture. The team has a lot of work ahead of them in installing CLW's offensive system. I wouldn't want to see Nick getting significant minutes when our starters are on the floor. Maybe have him in a limited unit where Lou is running point and the other guys are resting. And if any problems are manifesting on the court between him and D-lo, even if it is D-lo's fault, you gotta seriously think about keeping Nick Young away.
Not wanting Nick Young on this team has nothing to do with his questionable basketball fit at this point -- it actually has nothing to do with basketball. He is a goof (even if generally good natured) who has questionable work ethic and focus.
And the DLo situation and his inability to give any indication that he would be willing to get over it only stamped his ticket off the team.
you guys are calling him a goof based on what we saw while we were tanking. that's not a great reason. when the team is tanking and losing on purpose, who is looking great? who is playing awesome? how does a team lose on purpose yet look good doing it?
I'm saying wait for a year (this year) where the team tries to win before judging if a player is capable of doing well.
let's say we get rid of him. all we accomplish is lose a great shooter. Do we get another good shooter? who? do we not care? is his personality so toxic that he just needs to be gone? seems so extreme. he's not any dumber than randle.
attitude wise, the best guy on the team is clarkson. but clarkson can't shoot like nick. we need both, keep them, let's try to win then judge.
There is a reason we were able to get him for the veterans minimum 3 years ago, and a reason no other team has ever kept him long term. He has some one on one break down skills, but he throws a wrench in to the team game when he is on the floor. He just hangs out behind the three point line and waives off any directions to set screens or move off the ball. He wants the offense to break down because then the team will look to throw it to him for a bail out. He is a fantasy all-american but on a real team, he hurts more than he helps.
I get all that. I get that he can be a knuicklehead. I wouldn't necessarily say that he WANTS the offense to break down and is sabtoging the team...these are your interpretations of him just playing dumb (during a time when the team is tanking, mind you). So what?
He can do this:
and this:
he did that to lebron 1on1. Very few do that, very few even attempt. Because he is nuts. But it's something we're going to need. we pay coaches millions to handle his craziness. getting rid of him would just lose the team elite talent, and it would be difficult and expensive to replace. so just hold on, let us try to win, and then do something. you guys are assuming this is going to be addition by subtraction, and i don't see that at all. that only works if his talent is disposable or very common.
I don't think he sabotages the offense consciously, but you can't say he doesn't often refuse to go along with the play. It has been habitualized in to him that if he just hangs around outside the three point line he will get a chance to put on a wiggle a shake and a three point attempt. I like those clips you posted. Like I said earlier he is very skilled, I just don't think he is good for on the court culture. The team has a lot of work ahead of them in installing CLW's offensive system. I wouldn't want to see Nick getting significant minutes when our starters are on the floor. Maybe have him in a limited unit where Lou is running point and the other guys are resting. And if any problems are manifesting on the court between him and D-lo, even if it is D-lo's fault, you gotta seriously think about keeping Nick Young away.
That's basically it. Lots of players have been able to succeed despite off court problems. And I don't know how big a deal the Dlo thing is, and I don't really care. It really doesn't matter, stuff like that is going on all the time on teams. If he likes to sit on threes, then just design plays where he has to hit threes. the spurs do that with green a lot. I believe that when it's serious, he will play just fine. And he's shown it. He's not afraid to step up, and he delivers big plays. there are a lot of very nice, professional players in the nba who are afraid to step up, afraid to jack a shot in lebron's face, afraid to take the shot that will decide the season.
What if he goes to the Spurs, Pop tames him, and he's knocking down open threes all over the place. Him on one side of the baseline, green on the other. That would be so annoying. It was already annoying watching Barnes play specatularly for the clips after a solid year of laker fans complaining about him being done, and couldn't wait to boot him off. Same with Pau. He's done, right? Man up! Stop whining! Ah...he's done, get rid of him. Then he goes to the Bulls and plays like an all star. Then he plays in the international games and just dominates. this is what we do.
What if he goes to the Spurs, Pop tames him, and he's knocking down open threes all over the place. Him on one side of the baseline, green on the other. That would be so annoying. It was already annoying watching Barnes play specatularly for the clips after a solid year of laker fans complaining about him being done, and couldn't wait to boot him off. Same with Pau. He's done, right? Man up! Stop whining! Ah...he's done, get rid of him. Then he goes to the Bulls and plays like an all star. Then he plays in the international games and just dominates. this is what we do.
I await with bated breathe.
Barnes played very similarly with the Clippers to the way he played with us. Great in the regular season but terrible in the playoffs. With the Clippers he actually had one good playoff game that got everyone's hopes up, but after that he went back to his ice cold post season slump. There is a reason they didn't keep him either.
I admire the willingness to give Young a chance but it is not worth the time or energy to hope he magically becomes an adult. The guy is immature. He is one of those people that needs drama in his life to feel comfortable.
Young's incidents are not isolated or infrequent. They occur constantly. His lifestyle and self proclaimed Swaggy P mentality is the last thing the Lakers need hanging out with the young core of under 24's with big money to burn.
Already mentioned are the TMZ worthy relationship issues and the fireworks stupidity. But lets not forget the taking the guys for an afternoon ride and going viral with sexual harassment claims or having Arenas coming over for breakfast with the kids. How many times does he need to get filmed in a immature and downright stupid activity?
Curious? If he is such a "great" shooter and all the antics are overblown, how come another team has not traded for him already? He has been openly shopped for months now. not one legitimate offer even rumored?
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SuperboyReformed wrote:
What if he goes to the Spurs, Pop tames him, and he's knocking down open threes all over the place. Him on one side of the baseline, green on the other. That would be so annoying. It was already annoying watching Barnes play specatularly for the clips after a solid year of laker fans complaining about him being done, and couldn't wait to boot him off. Same with Pau. He's done, right? Man up! Stop whining! Ah...he's done, get rid of him. Then he goes to the Bulls and plays like an all star. Then he plays in the international games and just dominates. this is what we do.
He should exactly go to a team like the Spurs. They could tame him. They have a strong enough locker room to handle his BS. The Spurs should trade a second rounder to us in exchange for Swaggy! _________________ R.I.P. Doc Buss
he's always been garbage. when he first got here, and started chucking shots and celebrating/laughing while we were down 15 in a game, it was obvious he was crap. his mindset is a joke.
but of course most people said he was a good player, that it was great that his attitude was "loose" and how he brought energy to the court. and to not "piss and moan", because he was a solid player.
and yet again, the "pissing and moaning" crowd was right.
I don't need to spend an entire paragraph analyzing his game. i dont want a player who laughs when we're down 15 and celebrates at stupid moments in the game. his game reflects his personality. he isn't worth a bench spot on any team. _________________ Dominating every day.
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