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pjiddy Retired Number
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Bard207 wrote: | pjiddy wrote: | A forward-thinking front office would do pretty much what the Lakers did: gather assets and put yourself in a position to be competitive long-term, with the option to convert those assets to a shorter-term picture with a more competitive outlook.
Instead they should have tried to surround (an injured) Kobe with a more "competitive" team for the remote chance of watching them get embarrassed in Round 1? With the greater likelihood they simply drop out of their lotto protection range and hand over their picks? That's a "forward-thinking" front office? |
What the Lakers have gone through in recent seasons is something that the Players (Kobe mostly), FO, owners, fanbase, media etc are not accustomed to seeing from them.
So a mix of frustration, angst, anger, puzzlement etc from some is a reasonable expectation. |
This fanbase was probably overdue for a reality check. No (post-punitive-lux tax CBA) franchise can remain among the top teams year after year, decade after decade. Even in other sports, teams with way more money (Dodgers, Yankees) are learning the hard lessons of trying to be a competitive team every year without restocking your asset cabinet. It doesn't work that way.
Our FO failed to make good on some imaginary promise that we be title contenders in perpetuity? We must have a horrible front office. |
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Bard207 Star Player
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pjiddy wrote: | Bard207 wrote: | pjiddy wrote: | A forward-thinking front office would do pretty much what the Lakers did: gather assets and put yourself in a position to be competitive long-term, with the option to convert those assets to a shorter-term picture with a more competitive outlook.
Instead they should have tried to surround (an injured) Kobe with a more "competitive" team for the remote chance of watching them get embarrassed in Round 1? With the greater likelihood they simply drop out of their lotto protection range and hand over their picks? That's a "forward-thinking" front office? |
What the Lakers have gone through in recent seasons is something that the Players (Kobe mostly), FO, owners, fanbase, media etc are not accustomed to seeing from them.
So a mix of frustration, angst, anger, puzzlement etc from some is a reasonable expectation. |
This fanbase was probably overdue for a reality check. No (post-punitive-lux tax CBA) franchise can remain among the top teams year after year, decade after decade. Even in other sports, teams with way more money (Dodgers, Yankees) are learning the hard lessons of trying to be a competitive team every year without restocking your asset cabinet. It doesn't work that way.
Our FO failed to make good on some imaginary promise that we be title contenders in perpetuity? We must have a horrible front office. |
I agree with one exception.
I do think that the Front Office - owners needed a reality check as well. Even with a very poorly stocked roster in terms of experience and quality depth:
* They pursued Melo
* They pursued LMA
* They made serious inquiries about LeBron
Even if they had landed one of the above or a similar level older Free Agent, their destiny would have been to be more likely stuck in Purgatory rather than becoming a true Contender. The W/L record would have been better and one of the first round picks used to get Russell and Ingram would have been sent out to fulfill the obligation still owed for the Nash Sign and Trade. The remaining first round pick would have been worse than #2, So some negative outcomes from improving the roster some, but not enough to get within hailing distance of the contenders.
Another underlying key issue besides a more punitive Luxury Tax was that the team was either drafting late or not at all in the first round. They were never able to draft a player to somewhat replace Kobe until they had picks high in the Draft. They didn't have picks high in the Draft until Kobe was near the end of his career.
If they had been able to draft some talented youth and had them on Rookie Scale contracts for several years, they would have had quality depth and no need to sign Nick Young. |
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LakerLanny Retired Number
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Omar Little wrote: |
If you're going to denigrate the analysis of others, perhaps a starting point would be providing a bit yourself beyond the refs are crooked, Jim and Mitch sucks, and hey, check out my complete lack of hoops knowledge? |
I am pretty comfortable stating that I know a lot about basketball.
You mistake disagreeing with you for a lack of knowledge.
By the way, how was I proved wrong when I said best move would be to bottom out? That was in 2014 I posted it, they were fortunate enough to keep their picks after bottoming out after botching the protection.
Sorry if the truth makes you uncomfortable, I know you have hitched your wagon to the Mitch/DLO train which is a stance with some risk of being completely wrong. We will see how it turns out and who was right in the long run, until then maybe just go back and forth with the other "experts" so we can all learn from your vast knowledge and endless spewing of half facts, misinterpretations and such. _________________ Love, Laker Lanny |
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twisted wrote: |
I like the fact that you attacked a poster while completely ignoring the massive receipt another poster just called you out for. Real life Faker |
What "receipt"?
How was I proved wrong when I said the best move would be to bottom out? Ideally you do it while keeping your picks, not having to luck into them by mismanaging the team in historically bad fashion.
Keep trying, your logic is a bit twisted. And the Faker comment was cute, you are quite witty. _________________ Love, Laker Lanny |
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mirak Star Player
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Wow, this thread has become ugly fast. |
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Boldarblood Starting Rotation
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LakerLanny wrote: | GoldenThroat wrote: |
That's quite the receipt.
So we bottom out, add Randle, Clarkson, Russell, Nance, Ingram, & Zubac, and somehow the FO still screwed up. |
GT, when you talk like that...I get all excited as if I was a 14 year old LG poster asking you what a slip screen is? Can you break it down on video for us?
Is it honestly your contention that lucking into draft picks while overestimating your own team and botching the draft protection is the sign of a forward thinking front office?
Really?
Stick to the Video Room.... |
Such a crappy response. This a cheap shot and not needed. Your hatred for Mitch has clouded you. |
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The loudest one in the room, is the weakest one in the room. _________________ Music is my medicine |
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Ouch _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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anpherknee Franchise Player
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why he so mad for tho
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GoldenThroat Moderator
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LakerLanny wrote: | GoldenThroat wrote: |
That's quite the receipt.
So we bottom out, add Randle, Clarkson, Russell, Nance, Ingram, & Zubac, and somehow the FO still screwed up. |
GT, when you talk like that...I get all excited as if I was a 14 year old LG poster asking you what a slip screen is? Can you break it down on video for us?
Is it honestly your contention that lucking into draft picks while overestimating your own team and botching the draft protection is the sign of a forward thinking front office?
Really?
Stick to the Video Room.... |
This is about the most forced insult I've ever received, it doesn't even make sense. It's like watching Doug Williams at a roast.
How does a team simultaneously botch pick protection and luck into a pick? lol |
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anpherknee Franchise Player
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GoldenThroat wrote: | LakerLanny wrote: | GoldenThroat wrote: |
That's quite the receipt.
So we bottom out, add Randle, Clarkson, Russell, Nance, Ingram, & Zubac, and somehow the FO still screwed up. |
GT, when you talk like that...I get all excited as if I was a 14 year old LG poster asking you what a slip screen is? Can you break it down on video for us?
Is it honestly your contention that lucking into draft picks while overestimating your own team and botching the draft protection is the sign of a forward thinking front office?
Really?
Stick to the Video Room.... |
This is about the most forced insult I've ever received, it doesn't even make sense. It's like watching Doug Williams at a roast.
How does a team simultaneously botch pick protection and luck into a pick? lol |
why you commenting when you should be in the video room fam |
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GoldenThroat Moderator
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Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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LakerLanny wrote: | twisted wrote: |
I like the fact that you attacked a poster while completely ignoring the massive receipt another poster just called you out for. Real life Faker |
What "receipt"?
How was I proved wrong when I said the best move would be to bottom out? Ideally you do it while keeping your picks, not having to luck into them by mismanaging the team in historically bad fashion.
Keep trying, your logic is a bit twisted. And the Faker comment was cute, you are quite witty. |
You weren't proven wrong. You were right, the team bottomed out and reaped the rewards of doing so, and you're still mad. |
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JerryMagicKobe Moderator
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LakerLanny wrote: | Omar Little wrote: |
If you're going to denigrate the analysis of others, perhaps a starting point would be providing a bit yourself beyond the refs are crooked, Jim and Mitch sucks, and hey, check out my complete lack of hoops knowledge? |
I am pretty comfortable stating that I know a lot about basketball.
You mistake disagreeing with you for a lack of knowledge.
By the way, how was I proved wrong when I said best move would be to bottom out? That was in 2014 I posted it, they were fortunate enough to keep their picks after bottoming out after botching the protection.
Sorry if the truth makes you uncomfortable, I know you have hitched your wagon to the Mitch/DLO train which is a stance with some risk of being completely wrong. We will see how it turns out and who was right in the long run, until then maybe just go back and forth with the other "experts" so we can all learn from your vast knowledge and endless spewing of half facts, misinterpretations and such. |
You have again missed the point, and again managed to be derogatory, argumentative and insulting. You are entitled to your opinion, and you are entitled to defend it. But you are not entitled to act like a jerk, at least not for long. |
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I'm trying to find new ways to explain slip screens to 14 year old LG posters, fam. |
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anpherknee Franchise Player
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#iknowalotaboutbasketball |
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anpherknee wrote: | #iknowalotaboutbasketball | #selfproclaimed _________________ Music is my medicine |
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anpherknee wrote: | #iknowalotaboutbasketball |
#slipscreenintothesedms |
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GoldenThroat wrote: | I'm trying to find new ways to explain slip screens to 14 year old LG posters, fam. |
what the heck is fam? looks like everybody is using that these days.
fam = family? why wont you type 3 more characters? or its an internet slang? |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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LakerLanny wrote: | Omar Little wrote: |
If you're going to denigrate the analysis of others, perhaps a starting point would be providing a bit yourself beyond the refs are crooked, Jim and Mitch sucks, and hey, check out my complete lack of hoops knowledge? |
I am pretty comfortable stating that I know a lot about basketball.
You mistake disagreeing with you for a lack of knowledge.
By the way, how was I proved wrong when I said best move would be to bottom out? That was in 2014 I posted it, they were fortunate enough to keep their picks after bottoming out after botching the protection.
Sorry if the truth makes you uncomfortable, I know you have hitched your wagon to the Mitch/DLO train which is a stance with some risk of being completely wrong. We will see how it turns out and who was right in the long run, until then maybe just go back and forth with the other "experts" so we can all learn from your vast knowledge and endless spewing of half facts, misinterpretations and such. |
The bolded fails the logic test. If they had botched pick protection then they would have lost picks. Their pick protection was perfectly fine. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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GoldenThroat Moderator
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Jim99187 wrote: | GoldenThroat wrote: | I'm trying to find new ways to explain slip screens to 14 year old LG posters, fam. |
what the heck is fam? looks like everybody is using that these days.
fam = family? why wont you type 3 more characters? or its an internet slang? |
I only talk this way because anpherknee is the coolest person on the internet and I seek his approval.
breh. |
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Boldarblood wrote: | LakerLanny wrote: | GoldenThroat wrote: |
That's quite the receipt.
So we bottom out, add Randle, Clarkson, Russell, Nance, Ingram, & Zubac, and somehow the FO still screwed up. |
GT, when you talk like that...I get all excited as if I was a 14 year old LG poster asking you what a slip screen is? Can you break it down on video for us?
Is it honestly your contention that lucking into draft picks while overestimating your own team and botching the draft protection is the sign of a forward thinking front office?
Really?
Stick to the Video Room.... |
Such a crappy response. This a cheap shot and not needed. Your hatred for Mitch has clouded you. |
Yeah, I agree. All he needed to do to make his point was just strip out the cheap insults and post his point there in the middle. I'm giving him two weeks off. The mods gave him the respect of his tenure here, but this isn't going to fly. Lanny, see my PM.
Everyone, make your points without the surrounding BS insults. It's really not that hard to back space of that stuff before making your post. |
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If Westbrook is the guy they want to build the future around, they can't just assume he's available in free agency. The last few years prove that point pretty well. If they are going to hold out for Westbrook in free agency, they also have to have a plan B. |
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anpherknee wrote: | GoldenThroat wrote: | LakerLanny wrote: | GoldenThroat wrote: |
That's quite the receipt.
So we bottom out, add Randle, Clarkson, Russell, Nance, Ingram, & Zubac, and somehow the FO still screwed up. |
GT, when you talk like that...I get all excited as if I was a 14 year old LG poster asking you what a slip screen is? Can you break it down on video for us?
Is it honestly your contention that lucking into draft picks while overestimating your own team and botching the draft protection is the sign of a forward thinking front office?
Really?
Stick to the Video Room.... |
This is about the most forced insult I've ever received, it doesn't even make sense. It's like watching Doug Williams at a roast.
How does a team simultaneously botch pick protection and luck into a pick? lol |
why you commenting when you should be in the video room fam |
Obviously doesn't have Clarkson's work ethic. |
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anpherknee wrote: | #iknowalotaboutbasketball |
#LakersfansincebeforeNaismith |
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