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| adkindo wrote: | 25 Games left in the season....we have the 4th worst record....bunched closely with the teams with the 3rd, 5th & 6th worst record.
Do we tank to increase odds of keeping pick? |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Blackhart217 wrote: | No major injuries
Ingram (shows flashes of star potential)
Russell (shows he can be the 2nd best player of his draft)
But give yourself a chance at keeping your pick if it's not looking good after ASB.
No reason to just give up your possible Top 3 pick if playoffs are all but hopeless. Go for playoffs in 2018. |
Well if we don't make the playoffs then we have a chance to keep our pick.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | 25 Games left in the season....we have the 4th worst record....bunched closely with the teams with the 3rd, 5th & 6th worst record.
Do we tank to increase odds of keeping pick? |
That's when we start increasing Ingram/zubac's minutes. Make a push to win games against tankers and playoff teams resting. End the season on the upswing. |
Right. Which isn't tanking. Tanking would be benching Dlo for Calderon, and benching Ingram for Nick Young, etc |
Then I guess we have never tanked. Tanking is sitting Mosgov and Deng and letting the kids run wild. Now that we have a real coach, I don't think we see that.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | 25 Games left in the season....we have the 4th worst record....bunched closely with the teams with the 3rd, 5th & 6th worst record.
Do we tank to increase odds of keeping pick? |
That's when we start increasing Ingram/zubac's minutes. Make a push to win games against tankers and playoff teams resting. End the season on the upswing. |
Right. Which isn't tanking. Tanking would be benching Dlo for Calderon, and benching Ingram for Nick Young, etc |
Then I guess we have never tanked. Tanking is sitting Mosgov and Deng and letting the kids run wild. Now that we have a real coach, I don't think we see that. |
Depends. If Ingram shows lots of promise, it would make more sense to increase his minutes, not reduce them. I know you come from the old school Byron mentality of bring them along slowly like they are children, but there are always multiple ways to skin a cat and you have to be flexible.
We have one goal this year. Develop the youth. That should be the #1 focus. You don't self sabotage tha goal for any reason.
And sure we tanked last year. No coach is going to let Kobe do what he did last year if the focus is to either win games or develop your youth. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Install modern offensive and defensive systems, get the young kids to buy into playing defense, and seeing growth from them during the season. |
This. Plus at least one of the young players showing a superstar factor. It's great to have the young players show improvement, but at least one of them has to show that he's got the potential to be a top 5 player. And why not... I'll just throw in the Laker rivals failing miserably in some way.  |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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I would say 30+ wins and far more effort from the team defensively than the last two seasons.
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| LakerLanny wrote: | | I would say 30+ wins and far more effort from the team defensively than the last two seasons. |
We need identity for our defense to be good. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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If the team ends up above .500 and team and coaching chemistry clicks, then I'd consider the season a success.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | 25 Games left in the season....we have the 4th worst record....bunched closely with the teams with the 3rd, 5th & 6th worst record.
Do we tank to increase odds of keeping pick? |
That's when we start increasing Ingram/zubac's minutes. Make a push to win games against tankers and playoff teams resting. End the season on the upswing. |
Right. Which isn't tanking. Tanking would be benching Dlo for Calderon, and benching Ingram for Nick Young, etc |
Then I guess we have never tanked. Tanking is sitting Mosgov and Deng and letting the kids run wild. Now that we have a real coach, I don't think we see that. |
What do you consider "sitting"? Zero minutes, or just less minutes and not starting? |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 6:14 pm Post subject: Re: What constitutes a successful season next year? |
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| The_Dynasty24 wrote: | I think it's safe to say that the majority of us are realistic enough to understand that the chances of us making the playoffs are almost nonexistent (unless several of our youngsters develop much faster than anticipated).
As such, what would you classify as a successful season next year? Reaching a certain amount of wins? The proper implementation of Luke's modern offense along with all of the ball movement that entails?
The way I see it, I think the best thing that can come out of this season is our youngsters putting their growth and development on display for the entire league. This would probably help us lure a star free agent to our team. As fans, it's hard not to be focused on the win/loss column. But similar to what Luke said during an interview, I don't think that's what we should necessarily be focused on this next year.
I'm excited to see what our youngsters can do without Byron.  |
For me a successful season would be good development of our key young guys -- Russell, Ingram, Randle, Clarkson, Nance, and Z.
I don't really care about the win total, and I don't expect our team to be good enough to attract a marquee free agent next off-season. It's not even clear there will even be any marquee free agents available next off-season so no need to even worry about that. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| 32+ wins or a top 3 pick |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Improvement on both sides of the ball and the emergence of a cohesive team identity. |
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At least one of the young players looking like a clear cut star is probably the answer.
Simultaneously being bad or lucky enough to keep their pick would also be a bonus. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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Title or bust.
This is Lakers not Clippers, a bad year is loosing in the finals.
I find it disturbing how some young guys have become a bit too "lottery happy" |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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| nash wrote: | Title or bust.
This is Lakers not Clippers, a bad year is loosing in the finals.
I find it disturbing how some young guys have become a bit too "lottery happy" |
We're not competing for a championship. We should just root for this team to be the best it can be. |
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1. A long term winning system put into place on defense and offense
2. Player development from DLo/Ingram/Randle/JC/Nance/Zubac/Brown/Black
3. 27-30 wins and a Top 3 pick come lottery night as we will most likely be a bottom 5 team again
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I just want our young core to develop and gel together. I want them to grow into a successful tandem that doesn't split up. I want them all to retire successfully together as Lakers.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| A championship, but I'll settle for progress and the attraction of a top tier free agent before the start of the next season. |
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- Thirty wins.
- Luke doesn't pull a Byron and lets the youngsters play heavy minutes and permits them to make mistakes which they inevitably will.
- Russell's playmaking blossoms while increasing his three point field goal percentage.
- Both Randle and Nance develop a consistent 15-17 foot elbow jumper.
- Improved defense, particularly rotational defense.
- Ingram plays decent minutes and plays well.
- No trades for the sake of trading.
- If Brown makes the team, he shoots at least a 38% clip of his corner threes and rarely shoots from anywhere else.
- Deng's only experience with a spinal tap is watching the seminal film "This is Spinal Tap," if he hasn't done so already.
- John Ireland actually learns how to pronounce Zubac's last name. |
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| Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 3:31 am Post subject: |
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| The Grind wrote: | | nash wrote: | Title or bust.
This is Lakers not Clippers, a bad year is loosing in the finals.
I find it disturbing how some young guys have become a bit too "lottery happy" |
We're not competing for a championship. We should just root for this team to be the best it can be. |
I understand the process and I'm ok with it, but a successful season is the one you win the last game. |
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| russuell has to pay shooing guard, his natural possession for the session to be succexxful |
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| KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | | 32+ wins or a top 3 pick |
I prefer 32+ wins and a top 3 pick.
Although I find it sad that I find myself rooting for a damn ping pong ball! |
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Top 10 Defense, Top 15 Offense
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| Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 7:46 am Post subject: |
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| Individual player development. Lotto pick 1-3. |
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| 1hu2ren3dui4 wrote: | | Individual player development. Lotto pick 1-3. |
That's another asset that we will gain and 2017 is the year we do some damage. Especially If the Clippers suffer their demise. They can use that draft pick to trade for a star player to help lure Westbrook here. |
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