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yinoma2001
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| kikanga wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | False equivalency.
Jim has been running B-ball operations for the Lakers for at least 1 more season than Phil has been in NY. So that 27-55 record should be factored into Jim's record. Or you shouldn't count Phil's first season running things as well. One or the other.
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It's not false equivalency. I'm just showing the numbers that show a bigger picture. We're coming from a position of a championship to playoff team to Kobe injury to tank years.
Look at the Knicks 6 year forecast and with the exception of 1 good (not great) season, it's been treadmill (at best city). |
My bad. Thought u were implying the bolded records were Jim's tenure be Phil's tenure. Since that's what the OP was asking about.
But that's not the case. You're comparing NYK vs LAL. Not Phil vs Jim. |
Yeah. To be frank, if we had the Knicks record the past 10 years we'd all have committed fan seppuku by now. 
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | False equivalency.
Jim has been running B-ball operations for the Lakers for at least 1 more season than Phil has been in NY. So that 27-55 record should be factored into Jim's record. Or you shouldn't count Phil's first season running things as well. One or the other.
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It's not false equivalency. I'm just showing the numbers that show a bigger picture. We're coming from a position of a championship to playoff team to Kobe injury to tank years.
Look at the Knicks 6 year forecast and with the exception of 1 good (not great) season, it's been treadmill (at best city). |
My bad. Thought u were implying the bolded records were Jim's tenure be Phil's tenure. Since that's what the OP was asking about.
But that's not the case. You're comparing NYK vs LAL. Not Phil vs Jim. |
Yeah. To be frank, if we had the Knicks record the past 10 years we'd all have committed fan seppuku by now. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Phil Jackson thinks Sasha Vujacic is still an NBA-quality player and that Kurt Rambis was an NBA-quality head coach. |
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bum2
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Jim but starting they are from two different places. Phil needed to get rid of Melo..but now that he is doing what he is currently doing, he loses sympathy because they appear to be chasing 5-8 seeding.
That being said, we lucked into DLO and Ingram. But its better to be lucky than good. |
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| Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| bum2 wrote: | Jim but starting they are from two different places. Phil needed to get rid of Melo..but now that he is doing what he is currently doing, he loses sympathy because they appear to be chasing 5-8 seeding.
That being said, we lucked into DLO and Ingram. But its better to be lucky than good. |
Getting top 2-3 picks is all luck regardless.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 7:36 am Post subject: |
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| Vancouver Fan wrote: | | bum2 wrote: | Jim but starting they are from two different places. Phil needed to get rid of Melo..but now that he is doing what he is currently doing, he loses sympathy because they appear to be chasing 5-8 seeding.
That being said, we lucked into DLO and Ingram. But its better to be lucky than good. |
Getting top 2-3 picks is all luck regardless. |
That's true, but getting those picks is by no means any guarantee of success.
So one shouldn't get much credit for getting them, but some credit is deserving if what you do with it yields positive results. |
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| No one in basketball would trade the current Lakers roster for the current Knicks roster. Don't know how anyone is picking Phil. This roster of Carmelo Rose, and Noah would have been great 5 years ago. |
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| the knicks squat would look deadly, but this isn't 2011 |
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JerryMagicKobe
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Phil Jackson has 3 years left on his contract, same as Carmelo. It appears he is building a roster to try to win during that window, which means he will stick with what is familiar to him: vet players running the triangle.
Yuck.
Jim has earned his share of criticism, but he has kept his mouth shut, patiently built through the draft, (finally) hired the coach they wanted for the long term to groom this exciting young roster with nothing but upside.
Jim will have the last laugh. |
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| I think this poll could be who was the lucky loser of the Carmelo Anthony sweepstakes and it would yield the same results. |
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| J.C. Smith wrote: | | The Lakers were unlucky in three years ago when they dropped down in the draft, but it didn't matter because they still got Randle (who has been better than most of the players taken ahead of him). |
Lakers had the 6th worst record and ended up drafting 7th...
Their odds that year:
1st pick - 6.3%
2nd pick - 7.1%
3rd pick - 8.1%
4th pick - N/A
5th pick - N/A
6th pick - 43.9%
7th pick - 30.5%
8th pick - 4.0%
9th pick - 0.1%
| J.C. Smith wrote: | | They got lucky moving up in the draft last year but would have been extremely unlucky had they lost their pick. This season the odds still favored them keeping the pick and they didn't move up or down, they drafted right where they were seeded. I wouldn't consider that getting lucky, I would consider that pretty much as par for the course. |
What are the odds that the Lakers keep their pick both years? |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| 1hu2ren3dui4 wrote: | | I think this poll could be who was the lucky loser of the Carmelo Anthony sweepstakes and it would yield the same results. |
Agreed, but giving Melo a no trade clause was a horrendous move. |
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