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When I see Brian Shaw's title, it makes me immediately think of Assistant to the Regional Manager.
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| KindCrippler2000 wrote: | Finalized list of coaching staff: https://twitter.com/SerenaWinters/status/766712672263909378?s=09
Head Coach: Luke Walton
Associate Head Coach: Brian Shaw
Assistant Coaches: Jesse Mermuys, Mark Madsen
Player Development Coaches: Jud Buechler (shooting), Theo Roberson, Brian Keefe
Advance Professional Scout / Assistant Coach: Casey Owens
Video coordinator: Will Scott (not affiliated in any way, shape or form with Byron Scott) |
Who sits on the bench and who sits behind it is the breakdown I would to like see. |
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| How is Jud Buechler a shooting coach when he shot .366 from 3 and .633 from the line? |
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| Godbe wrote: | | How is Jud Buechler a shooting coach when he shot .366 from 3 and .633 from the line? |
He went to the University of Arizona. |
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| KindCrippler2000 wrote: | Finalized list of coaching staff: https://twitter.com/SerenaWinters/status/766712672263909378?s=09
Head Coach: Luke Walton
Associate Head Coach: Brian Shaw
Assistant Coaches: Jesse Mermuys, Mark Madsen
Player Development Coaches: Jud Buechler (shooting), Theo Roberson, Brian Keefe
Advance Professional Scout / Assistant Coach: Casey Owens
Video coordinator: Will Scott (not affiliated in any way, shape or form with Byron Scott) |
Nice. I like it a lot, especially Owens' addition. Kinda wish Chief Keefe and Madsen would switch places because of the Ron Adams connection but the man in charge knows better than me!
Also do we have confirmation that Jud is the shooting coach? |
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| justsomelakerfan wrote: | | KindCrippler2000 wrote: | Finalized list of coaching staff: https://twitter.com/SerenaWinters/status/766712672263909378?s=09
Head Coach: Luke Walton
Associate Head Coach: Brian Shaw
Assistant Coaches: Jesse Mermuys, Mark Madsen
Player Development Coaches: Jud Buechler (shooting), Theo Roberson, Brian Keefe
Advance Professional Scout / Assistant Coach: Casey Owens
Video coordinator: Will Scott (not affiliated in any way, shape or form with Byron Scott) |
Nice. I like it a lot, especially Owens' addition. Kinda wish Chief Keefe and Madsen would switch places because of the Ron Adams connection but the man in charge knows better than me!
Also do we have confirmation that Jud is the shooting coach? |
We need another assistant to teach players the shooting drill, I still would like to see the team add former high IQ players like Battier or someone who can really teach the team toughness. |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | KindCrippler2000 wrote: | Finalized list of coaching staff: https://twitter.com/SerenaWinters/status/766712672263909378?s=09
Head Coach: Luke Walton
Associate Head Coach: Brian Shaw
Assistant Coaches: Jesse Mermuys, Mark Madsen
Player Development Coaches: Jud Buechler (shooting), Theo Roberson, Brian Keefe
Advance Professional Scout / Assistant Coach: Casey Owens
Video coordinator: Will Scott (not affiliated in any way, shape or form with Byron Scott) |
Nice. I like it a lot, especially Owens' addition. Kinda wish Chief Keefe and Madsen would switch places because of the Ron Adams connection but the man in charge knows better than me!
Also do we have confirmation that Jud is the shooting coach? |
We need another assistant to teach players the shooting drill, I still would like to see the team add former high IQ players like Battier or someone who can really teach the team toughness. |
I believe Buechler was responsible for the shooting drills during the SL practices. I assume that will continue during the season. |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | justsomelakerfan wrote: | | KindCrippler2000 wrote: | Finalized list of coaching staff: https://twitter.com/SerenaWinters/status/766712672263909378?s=09
Head Coach: Luke Walton
Associate Head Coach: Brian Shaw
Assistant Coaches: Jesse Mermuys, Mark Madsen
Player Development Coaches: Jud Buechler (shooting), Theo Roberson, Brian Keefe
Advance Professional Scout / Assistant Coach: Casey Owens
Video coordinator: Will Scott (not affiliated in any way, shape or form with Byron Scott) |
Nice. I like it a lot, especially Owens' addition. Kinda wish Chief Keefe and Madsen would switch places because of the Ron Adams connection but the man in charge knows better than me!
Also do we have confirmation that Jud is the shooting coach? |
We need another assistant to teach players the shooting drill, I still would like to see the team add former high IQ players like Battier or someone who can really teach the team toughness. |
Don't know if a player can teach "toughness" but as for high IQ players...
That is an overlooked aspect of what Mozgov and Deng will add to the team. Both are playoff and Championship tested. They understand the effort and attention to detail it takes to win in the league.
Their value off the court in practice and film rooms might exceed their value on it. And I am optimistic of the contributions on the court.
To a lesser extent guys like Calderon and Huertas are vets that understand "reading" and breaking down defenses. Experienced in ball movement.
I am excited about the coaching staff. There seems to be an emphasis on communication and development with the group. And from all accounts the young players are embracing it.
All bode well for the Lakers this season. |
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still super excited about this staff!  |
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| Judah wrote: | | LuciusAllen wrote: | | Judah wrote: |
lol.....
Who was the defensive assistant under Phil, you ask? During the 08-09 and 09-10 seasons it was Kurt Rambis. And once Rambis departed to become the head coach of the Timberwolves, it was Chuck Person:
http://www.espn.com/los-angeles/nba/columns/story?id=5278158
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jan/10/sports/la-sp-lakers-20110111
Clearly, every head coach in the league will have some level of competence on both ends of the floor (except Byron who sucked at both). But most coaches are stronger in certain areas than they are in others. Why do you think coaching staffs exist, sir? To sit on the bench and look pretty? Every member of a coaching staff has a specific role, which is determined by whatever area they specialize in. Example: Ron Adams is the defensive coordinator for GS. Every team in the league has both an offensive coordinator and a defensive coordinator, unless the head coach chooses to personally fulfill one of those roles out of the two:
"Kupchak also noted that Walton does not plan to hire an offensive specialist as an assistant, viewing himself as the team's "primary offensive coach/coordinator" and will instead look to hire a coach specializing in the defensive side of the ball."
http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2016/5/6/11612526/la-lakers-coaching-rumors-luke-walton-offensive-system
I don't even know how to respond to this asinine idea that the Lakers don't need defensive schemes because they only need to learn the "basics" lol. Umm....actually they need both. You do realize that they'll be trying to win games this year, right? Do you think that will happen if they go into games unprepared defensively against the team they're facing on a particular night? I mean really, are you from the Byron Scott school of thought and think you can replace the centrality of x's and o's with "man up" or something?
From a coaching standpoint, the NBA game is a chess match between coaches. You aren't winning jack if you're still learning how to play tick tack toe. Smh.
Every team in the league has schemes on both ends of the floor. Some good, some bad. But all teams have them. This is pretty basic stuff here. Where did you come from? The moon? |
Thanks for the kind words. Haven't been to the moon in a while. Anyway ... yes, I oversimplified my argument by saying they don't need "schemes." I just meant that many of our young players need to learn basic defensive principles. You got me. Never post after drinking two big martinis!
That article on Person was meant to emphasize his overall character as a coach. Yes he served as a defensive coordinator for Theus, but there was nothing in his playing career or as a beginning coach that indicated he was some sort of defensive guru. There's nothing that differentiates him from any of the Lakers assistants. There's no indication that any of them would not be capable of coaching defense well. Assuming they are as good as all the anecdotes make them out to be. |
I knew what you meant. I didn't challenge what you said because I didn't understand it. I challenged it because it boggled my mind that you actually make those arguments. For some reason you make the installation of defensive schemes and learning the basic fundamentals of defense itself mutually exclusive, and I have no idea why. I don't understand why you think one cancels out the other. It doesn't. We all understand that there are a lot of young players on the roster and that they have to learn fundamental things (on both sides of the ball btw). But that's irrelevant to having a defensive coordinator on the staff who designs the schemes for team defense.
But even aside from that, your argument wasn't just about the Lakers. You seemed to challenge the very idea of any team having coaches who specialize on one side of the ball because the head coach should just do it alone. Well, that's not the case. Again, there's no question that every coach will at least be competent at teaching/designing both, but that's the whole point. Being competent isn't the same thing as being a specialist. Is it somehow a knock against Kerr because he has Ron Adams serving on his staff as the defensive coordinator? No. It just means that he's willing to acknowledge the fact that he isn't a defensive specialist, and that it benefits the team so much more to have someone on his staff who is. If taken to it's logical conclusion, your argument is that assistant coaches are unnecessary.
You're making way too many assumptions. Assembling a coaching staff and assigning roles for every coach, according to what he specializes in, doesn't mean that they as individuals are completely incompetent in the other areas that they don't specialize in. You didn't even bother responding to the Kupchak quote where even he said that Luke would add a coach who specializes in defense. But according to you, that's a rather silly thing for Luke to do, apparently. You also ignored the LA Times article where Rambis is said to have been the defensive coordinator during the 08-09 season. Again, according to you, that sort of thing is unnecessary.
SN: I posted the wrong link about Persons by mistake. This is the article I intended to post:
http://www.espn.com/los-angeles/nba/columns/story?id=6192141
| Quote: | | ... Long article that says how Chuck Person helped the team institute a few new defensive principles even though he wasn't the nominal defensive coordinator.... |
And on that note, I'm done. I think the article pretty much speaks for itself. But hey, keep living in this fantasy of an NBA world where offensive coordinators and defensive coordinators on coaching staffs apparently don't exist, even when they themselves and the head coaches plainly assert that they do.....lol   |
I saw no need to respond to this because you seemed pretty comfortable creating my opinion for me.
Let's see ... by extension, I am logically arguing that assistant coaches are not necessary? I am making too many assumptions? You're just using my words as a strawman for hammering your opinion home.
I am not the one here making an argument that each coach needs a specific role. I did not say that all teams should follow this model. I said that the Lakers may not need a coach to fill a specific title.
You, however, are holding Mitch's word as bond, and using it to support your rigid notion of how coaching staffs should operate, and even how human brains should work. Specialization or death!
My only assumption is that one or more of the staff will naturally gravitate towards thinking about defense more, as the staff grows together. In a Chuck Person-esque way. And if that doesn't work ... then maybe they start thinking about specialization. |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | Godbe wrote: | | How is Jud Buechler a shooting coach when he shot .366 from 3 and .633 from the line? |
He went to the University of Arizona. |
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Exclusive Interview with New Assistant Coach Casey Owens
| Quote: | Nearly every player we spoke to only had kind words for Owens who’s in the business of molding and mentoring future leaders.
Owens success with the D-Fenders is one of the many reasons he’ll be a perfect fit for the Lakers moving forward. |
http://lakeshowlife.com/2016/08/29/lakers-casey-owens-assistant-coach-interview/ |
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Crazy that lakeshowlife of all places is getting interviews. I don't think I've ever read anything of substance there |
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Buechler lands job with Lakers
*San Diego Union-Tribune
| Quote: | | Former Poway High standout finds a new challenge on Luke Walton’s coaching staff - |
ihttp://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2016/sep/04/buechler-lakers-bulls-walton-poway/ |
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The worst coaches are the ones who were good/great NBA players. You want journeymen or guys who didn't even play. Why? Then they don't feel entitled and have a "know-it-all" attitude. They approach coaching with the proper mind-frame and professionalism.
To me, it's a given that the coaches all have the technical qualifications at this level such as proper shooting mechanics, footwork, etc. The distinguishing quality is if a coach is able to impart the knowledge on a player and have him execute it on the floor. You have to be able to sell the guys and keep them sold.
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Jud Buechler is my only concern in this coaching staff. There's nothing to do with how good of a shooter he was or not, but apparently he has no coaching experience and we have a lot of players that need a good shooting coach. I hope they know what they're doing.
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| silkwilkes wrote: | The worst coaches are the ones who were good/great NBA players. You want journeymen or guys who didn't even play. Why? Then they don't feel entitled and have a "know-it-all" attitude. They approach coaching with the proper mind-frame and professionalism.
To me, it's a given that the coaches all have the technical qualifications at this level such as proper shooting mechanics, footwork, etc. The distinguishing quality is if a coach is able to impart the knowledge on a player and have him execute it on the floor. You have to be able to sell the guys and keep them sold. |
That's true. Although I think it's more so about them simply being role players than a journeyman or a Robert Sacre. I agree with the part about star players though. They're stars, so they're accustomed to approaching the game in a particular way. As important as the star player is, the heartbeat of the team is the collective effort of the role players and their understanding the importance of the "little" things. There's an advantage they have in the way they see the game and how well they're able to connect with their players as a coach that star players usually don't have when they try to become coaches.
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| pio2u wrote: | Buechler lands job with Lakers
*San Diego Union-Tribune
| Quote: | | Former Poway High standout finds a new challenge on Luke Walton’s coaching staff - |
ihttp://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2016/sep/04/buechler-lakers-bulls-walton-poway/ |
Old news, it was announced weeks ago
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| Eindhoven wrote: | | Jud Buechler is my only concern in this coaching staff. There's nothing to do with how good of a shooter he was or not, but apparently he has no coaching experience and we have a lot of players that need a good shooting coach. I hope they know what they're doing. |
Rather he has coaching experience or not is irrelevant, He seems to have a good bond with the players, and he seems very close with Ingram, maybe he's here cause he knows how to keep guys together? |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | Eindhoven wrote: | | Jud Buechler is my only concern in this coaching staff. There's nothing to do with how good of a shooter he was or not, but apparently he has no coaching experience and we have a lot of players that need a good shooting coach. I hope they know what they're doing. |
Rather he has coaching experience or not is irrelevant, He seems to have a good bond with the players, and he seems very close with Ingram, maybe he's here cause he knows how to keep guys together? |
The highlighted parts show you have the same doubts I have, as we there's no reference of his job. Having experience is not irrelevant: past references are the best thing we have to guess weather he's going to be good or not. Coaching is something you also learn by practicing.
He's not there to have bond with the guys, he's there to teach them to shoot properly. Having this bond is just one way to do it.
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Hopefully he keeps dissolving my concerns, as I said, I hope Luke knows what he's doing, as Jud seems to be his call.
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| kikanga wrote: | | greenfrog wrote: | | Godbe wrote: | | How is Jud Buechler a shooting coach when he shot .366 from 3 and .633 from the line? |
He went to the University of Arizona. |
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He had no natural talent . . . his shooting percentage was all learned . . .
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You could be right that he helped Ingram with his shot mechanics during SL, but I don't think those pics support it. That looks more like a defensive drill, probably about contesting shots. They came out and did a great job of it in the first half of their next game, even though they lost.
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I like Buech, and I'm willing to give him a chance.
But I always wondered why we never had any legitimate specialized shooting coaches on the coaching staff like a Chip Engelland or Bob Thate.
Seems like this would be the perfect time to add someone like that.
Instead we always go with Tracy Murray or Chuck Person types. Although Person was definitely helpful in adjusting Kobe's shooting when he broke his index finger. |
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