Kobe's health was a major reason. If I remember correctly, he said there was no cartilage in his knee - there was bone on bone contact. Such a disappointing way to go out. Then Jim Buss did a clean sweep of the coaching staff.
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:53 pm Post subject:
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I think if we'd tried it again for one more season (when Kobe got the 'German knee procedure') we'd have made a run at it.
Of course then again that off-season was the off-season we were screwed the CP3 trade so meh -_-
If Phil came back for another year and Odom were mentally healthy, I think that core could have made one more run.
Pau was never really the same player either though. Part of this was attributable to Brown misusing him, but I think a significant part of it was an actual decline. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
I think if we'd tried it again for one more season (when Kobe got the 'German knee procedure') we'd have made a run at it.
Of course then again that off-season was the off-season we were screwed the CP3 trade so meh -_-
If Phil came back for another year and Odom were mentally healthy, I think that core could have made one more run.
Pau was never really the same player either though. Part of this was attributable to Brown misusing him, but I think a significant part of it was an actual decline.
Well Odom would have been mentally fine cause if we were making another run with Phil he likely wouldn't be traded nor Pau.
Brown didn't misuse Pau. In fact Pau and Bynum actually worked well together in Brown's first season, Bynum got his first all-star invite averaging 18/12, and Gasol averaged 17/10
One of the reasons Brown actually knew how to use Pau and Bynum was because he ran the San Antonio "twin Towers" set that Pop used with Duncan and Robinson, and ran 4 out 1 in in other situations.
The guy who MISUSED Pau upon entering was D'Antoni, not Mike Brown. Mike Brown got Pau and Bynum to average 17/11 and 18/12 while playing together. That's about as good as it gets when running them at the 4/5.
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:11 pm Post subject:
That should have been an ideal bench for us in 2010-11.
Barnes to back up MWP and give us aggressive D (though less physical strength) and slightly better scoring at the backup 3/4. Blake to give us decent shooting and active D at the backup G spot. Plus Brown with another year of the tri under his belt.
The "Killer Bs" or "Renegades" (as Phil called them) should've been an ideal rotation for us. In the end, just too many injuries.
I put this team up there with the 1989 Lakers -- with their bench of Coop, Thompson, and the still sky-walking Orlando Woolridge and all-around scorer Tony Campbell -- on the franchise's all-time "Should've Won A Title" list.
I do put it on Phil a little bit too as he basically cut out / handcuffed Blake's game from underneath him that made him unique to our system and made our bench run it so well after the first few weeks. He imo shouldn't have touched Blake's game at all and just let him run his pick and roll style with our bench, it sure as heck benefited Brown during those first few weeks.
Sadly we not only peaked too soon, Kobe's injuries were catching up to him. I think had Kobe gotten the "one more year" we'd have made a run, because that German knee procedure really helped Kobe a lot. Just sadly happened that he hurt his wrist at the start of that season so we didn't get to see the full impact of it till 2012 which of course was his best year in a WHILE till the injury
Kobe's health was a major reason. If I remember correctly, he said there was no cartilage in his knee - there was bone on bone contact. Such a disappointing way to go out. Then Jim Buss did a clean sweep of the coaching staff.
Kobe's knee and Pau's laziness were the two major reasons. But mostly Kobe's knee as he was always able to carry bad play from his teammates on his back, just not that year. _________________ A banana is killed every time a terrible thread or post is made. Save the bananas. Stop creating terrible posts!
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:26 pm Post subject:
MJST wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
MJST wrote:
I think if we'd tried it again for one more season (when Kobe got the 'German knee procedure') we'd have made a run at it.
Of course then again that off-season was the off-season we were screwed the CP3 trade so meh -_-
If Phil came back for another year and Odom were mentally healthy, I think that core could have made one more run.
Pau was never really the same player either though. Part of this was attributable to Brown misusing him, but I think a significant part of it was an actual decline.
Well Odom would have been mentally fine cause if we were making another run with Phil he likely wouldn't be traded nor Pau.
Brown didn't misuse Pau. In fact Pau and Bynum actually worked well together in Brown's first season, Bynum got his first all-star invite averaging 18/12, and Gasol averaged 17/10
One of the reasons Brown actually knew how to use Pau and Bynum was because he ran the San Antonio "twin Towers" set that Pop used with Duncan and Robinson, and ran 4 out 1 in in other situations.
The guy who MISUSED Pau upon entering was D'Antoni, not Mike Brown. Mike Brown got Pau and Bynum to average 17/11 and 18/12 while playing together. That's about as good as it gets when running them at the 4/5.
Odom was in a car that killed a cyclist that summer too. Wasn't just the trade.
Kobe's health was a major reason. If I remember correctly, he said there was no cartilage in his knee - there was bone on bone contact. Such a disappointing way to go out. Then Jim Buss did a clean sweep of the coaching staff.
He played through it fine imo. If you guys remember, he rolled his ankle severely in March against the same Dallas team. He was still great (because it's freaking Kobe) but you could tell he was never quite the same in terms of pop and explosiveness. Stupid Steve Blake getting injured stepping on, IIRC, one of those tire spikes in a parking lot and Barnes' annual playoff disappearing act basically meant as slow as we were in the back-court, we became even slower. We got swept by Dallas but that was a combination of some unfortunate events. I think healthy, we would have gone to the Finals but gotten starched by the Heat. The trio in Miami was always a terrible matchup for us.
I think if we'd tried it again for one more season (when Kobe got the 'German knee procedure') we'd have made a run at it.
Of course then again that off-season was the off-season we were screwed the CP3 trade so meh -_-
If Phil came back for another year and Odom were mentally healthy, I think that core could have made one more run.
Pau was never really the same player either though. Part of this was attributable to Brown misusing him, but I think a significant part of it was an actual decline.
Well Odom would have been mentally fine cause if we were making another run with Phil he likely wouldn't be traded nor Pau.
Brown didn't misuse Pau. In fact Pau and Bynum actually worked well together in Brown's first season, Bynum got his first all-star invite averaging 18/12, and Gasol averaged 17/10
One of the reasons Brown actually knew how to use Pau and Bynum was because he ran the San Antonio "twin Towers" set that Pop used with Duncan and Robinson, and ran 4 out 1 in in other situations.
The guy who MISUSED Pau upon entering was D'Antoni, not Mike Brown. Mike Brown got Pau and Bynum to average 17/11 and 18/12 while playing together. That's about as good as it gets when running them at the 4/5.
Odom was in a car that killed a cyclist that summer too. Wasn't just the trade.
Pau averaged then-career lows under Brown.
Yep. That had more to do with force feeding Bynum. Our offensive efficiency took a dump that year despite Bynum's gaudy stats. Kind of like a certain Sixer.
Kobe's health was a major reason. If I remember correctly, he said there was no cartilage in his knee - there was bone on bone contact. Such a disappointing way to go out. Then Jim Buss did a clean sweep of the coaching staff.
Kobe's knee and Pau's laziness were the two major reasons. But mostly Kobe's knee as he was always able to carry bad play from his teammates on his back, just not that year.
I'd also add Phil's laziness. I don't think he was 100% committed that year, and was probably contemplating post retirement plans. Dude literally waited until the last game of the season to smack Pau in the head for his terrible play...
Kobe's health was a major reason. If I remember correctly, he said there was no cartilage in his knee - there was bone on bone contact. Such a disappointing way to go out. Then Jim Buss did a clean sweep of the coaching staff.
Kobe's knee and Pau's laziness were the two major reasons. But mostly Kobe's knee as he was always able to carry bad play from his teammates on his back, just not that year.
I'd also add Phil's laziness. I don't think he was 100% committed that year, and was probably contemplating post retirement plans. Dude literally waited until the last game of the season to smack Pau in the head for his terrible play...
Wasn't it revealed that Phil had cancer during that season? If I remember correctly he told the team during the match up against the Mavs.
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Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 3:35 pm Post subject:
That team lacked new, young blood. All year long they just seemed inconsistent and uneven. We had several losing streaks of at least 3 games. Maybe if we had added a younger key bench player, that combined with a healthy Kobe and Pau probably would've given us one more ring that year.
In a perfect world we would've gotten Andre Igoudala somehow. That could've extended our run a couple years. _________________ Lakers 49ers Chargers Dodgers
Dallas had some fluke shooting in the playoffs and the Lakers were gassed after 3 straight trips to the Finals. Mike Brown shat the bed. D'Antoni just shoved the dirty covers into the closet. Byron Scott burned the whole thing down.
Eh I don't blame Mike Brown solely for our losses to OKC. That was on us. We had them beat in all those games but the first and the last, and we blew it in the last minute. And even when we blew it at the end of game 2, we still ran a solid play out of bounds that got Steve Blake open for a wide open three that could have won the game. So that one was on us, we executed great for 3 and a half quarters, and then blew it late and we were a veteran team, we just blew it.
We should have been up 3-1 going back to OKC.
I think had we run the same 4 out 1 in offense instead of switching to the Princeton, when we got Dwight and Nash, we would have had earlier immediate success.
I remember thinking how unstoppable the Pau and Bynum pick and roll was, and was imagining just how unstoppable it'd be with Dwight and Pau.
Sadly Kobe suggested we change the offense to the Princeton, and Brown took his advice on it and we did. imo we should have kept the 4 out 1 in and San Antonio offense we were adapting at the end of the year and near had down against OKC.
Surprisingly enough we were a top 10 offensive team and a top 15 defensive team that year too while allowing .1 point more a game than the year before.
We haven't sniffed either of those kind of Offensive or Defensive numbers since X_X
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