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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 10:31 am    Post subject:

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Sprewell Is Suspended by the NBA

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Pro basketball: Player receives one-year league ban after Warriors terminate contract for insubordination.
December 05, 1997|MARK HEISLER | TIMES STAFF WRITER

Less than 12 hours after his former employers, the Golden State Warriors, terminated his contract and its $23.7-million balance, the NBA terminated Latrell Sprewell's job prospects, suspending him for a year, the rest of this season and the start of the next.

Also, the Converse sneaker company, which had vowed to stand by Sprewell, dropped him.

"Latrell Sprewell assaulted Coach P.J. Carlesimo twice at Monday's practice," NBA Commissioner David Stern said. "First, he choked him until forcibly pulled away. Then, after leaving practice, Mr. Sprewell returned and fought his way through others in order to commit a second, and this time clearly premeditated, assault.

"A sports league does not have to accept or condone behavior that would not be tolerated in any other segment of society. Accordingly, Latrell Sprewell is suspended from the NBA for one year."

The suspension is the longest in NBA history. The record was held by the Lakers' Kermit Washington, who missed half of the 1977-78 season after throwing the punch that caved in Rudy Tomjanovich's face.




Sprewell's Image Remains in a Chokehold

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Regardless of what he accomplishes in basketball, Latrell Sprewell will live in infamy as the player who attacked and threatened to kill his coach. During a Golden State Warriors practice in 1997, Sprewell snapped, choking P.J. Carlesimo before returning about 20 minutes later to continue the assault.

NBA Commissioner David Stern suspended Sprewell for 82 games before an arbitrator reduced the sentence to 68 games, costing Sprewell $6.4 million and his shoe deal with Converse.

Sprewell deemed the punishment too harsh. "I wasn't choking P.J. that hard," Sprewell told 60 Minutes. "I mean, he could breathe."



106. How does player discipline work? Can teams fine or suspend players for any reason? Do fines and suspensions apply to team salary?

Quote:

The money from fines and suspensions is put to good use -- it's given to charities of the NBA's and players association's choosing. Players are not paid while they are suspended -- for each missed game, the player is docked 1/110 of his salary, whether suspended for a preseason, regular season or postseason game.



Nick's salary for the 2015 - 2016 season was $5,219,169.

$5,219,169 / 110 = $47,447 for each game that Nick would have been suspended.


If Nick would have gotten a ten game suspension for beating up Russell:

$47,447 * 10 = $474,470



He would have also been at risk of having his contract terminated.

From the CBA

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EXHIBIT A NATIONAL BASKETBALL ASSOCIATIONUNIFORM PLAYER CONTRACT


16. TERMINATION.

(a) The Team may terminate this Contract upon written notice to the Player if the Player shall:

(i) at any time, fail, refuse, or neglect to conform his personal conduct to standards of good citizenship, good moral character (defined here to mean not engaging in acts of moral turpitude, whether or not such acts would constitute a crime), and good sportsmanship, to keep himself in first class physical condition, or to obey the Team’s training rules;
(ii)

at any time commit a significant and inexcusable physical attack against any official or employee of the Team or the NBA (other than another player), or any person in attendance at any NBA game or event, considering the totality of the circumstances, including (but not limited to)the degree of provocation (if any) that may have led to the attack, the nature and scope of the attack, the Player’s state of mind at the time of the attack, and the extent of any injury resulting from the attack;





Let's count the number of games Kobe was suspended for slugging Samaki Walker. 0.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 10:37 am    Post subject:

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Amazing how Ding's reputation went to crap when he selectively released that article RIGHT before our off-season trade market was about to begin.

Before that point he was really well respected.


Was he? I haven't been able to stand Ding for several seasons now.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 11:37 am    Post subject:

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With the off-season winding down, it's not a surprise Nick Young wants to "reconcile" now that his roster spot is in question. I obviously wish him the best, but I don't buy anything he's saying. He came off as immature and bitter in his tweets.


I think most of us would be bitter in the same situation. He should have just kicked DLO's ass and called a truce.


Except Iggy didn't break up with Nick over that situation. She broke up with Nick cause he was bringing other women into their own house and it was on camera.

He gonna blame D-Lo for that as well?


DLo also made him knock up his baby mama again.


And run to the media about it, which just got Nick in MORE trouble with Iggy who till then was still gonna maintain a friendship with him

Funnily enough Gilbert Arenas was the first person to say that's what Nick was doing way back when the story first broke
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 1:09 pm    Post subject:

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Bard207 wrote:
Sprewell Is Suspended by the NBA

Quote:

Pro basketball: Player receives one-year league ban after Warriors terminate contract for insubordination.
December 05, 1997|MARK HEISLER | TIMES STAFF WRITER

Less than 12 hours after his former employers, the Golden State Warriors, terminated his contract and its $23.7-million balance, the NBA terminated Latrell Sprewell's job prospects, suspending him for a year, the rest of this season and the start of the next.

Also, the Converse sneaker company, which had vowed to stand by Sprewell, dropped him.

"Latrell Sprewell assaulted Coach P.J. Carlesimo twice at Monday's practice," NBA Commissioner David Stern said. "First, he choked him until forcibly pulled away. Then, after leaving practice, Mr. Sprewell returned and fought his way through others in order to commit a second, and this time clearly premeditated, assault.

"A sports league does not have to accept or condone behavior that would not be tolerated in any other segment of society. Accordingly, Latrell Sprewell is suspended from the NBA for one year."

The suspension is the longest in NBA history. The record was held by the Lakers' Kermit Washington, who missed half of the 1977-78 season after throwing the punch that caved in Rudy Tomjanovich's face.




Sprewell's Image Remains in a Chokehold

Quote:

Regardless of what he accomplishes in basketball, Latrell Sprewell will live in infamy as the player who attacked and threatened to kill his coach. During a Golden State Warriors practice in 1997, Sprewell snapped, choking P.J. Carlesimo before returning about 20 minutes later to continue the assault.

NBA Commissioner David Stern suspended Sprewell for 82 games before an arbitrator reduced the sentence to 68 games, costing Sprewell $6.4 million and his shoe deal with Converse.

Sprewell deemed the punishment too harsh. "I wasn't choking P.J. that hard," Sprewell told 60 Minutes. "I mean, he could breathe."



106. How does player discipline work? Can teams fine or suspend players for any reason? Do fines and suspensions apply to team salary?

Quote:

The money from fines and suspensions is put to good use -- it's given to charities of the NBA's and players association's choosing. Players are not paid while they are suspended -- for each missed game, the player is docked 1/110 of his salary, whether suspended for a preseason, regular season or postseason game.



Nick's salary for the 2015 - 2016 season was $5,219,169.

$5,219,169 / 110 = $47,447 for each game that Nick would have been suspended.


If Nick would have gotten a ten game suspension for beating up Russell:

$47,447 * 10 = $474,470



He would have also been at risk of having his contract terminated.

From the CBA

Quote:


EXHIBIT A NATIONAL BASKETBALL ASSOCIATIONUNIFORM PLAYER CONTRACT


16. TERMINATION.

(a) The Team may terminate this Contract upon written notice to the Player if the Player shall:

(i) at any time, fail, refuse, or neglect to conform his personal conduct to standards of good citizenship, good moral character (defined here to mean not engaging in acts of moral turpitude, whether or not such acts would constitute a crime), and good sportsmanship, to keep himself in first class physical condition, or to obey the Team’s training rules;
(ii)

at any time commit a significant and inexcusable physical attack against any official or employee of the Team or the NBA (other than another player), or any person in attendance at any NBA game or event, considering the totality of the circumstances, including (but not limited to)the degree of provocation (if any) that may have led to the attack, the nature and scope of the attack, the Player’s state of mind at the time of the attack, and the extent of any injury resulting from the attack;





Let's count the number of games Kobe was suspended for slugging Samaki Walker. 0.



Kobe had high status with the team and within the NBA overall. Nick probably has fairly low status in the NBA hierarchy.


It appears we have different thoughts on this topic because I feel that Nick would have gotten a suspension for...

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He should have just kicked DLO's ass and called a truce.[


which is a much more severe transgression than Kobe sucker punching Walker once.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 9:52 am    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
Sprewell Is Suspended by the NBA

Quote:

Pro basketball: Player receives one-year league ban after Warriors terminate contract for insubordination.
December 05, 1997|MARK HEISLER | TIMES STAFF WRITER

Less than 12 hours after his former employers, the Golden State Warriors, terminated his contract and its $23.7-million balance, the NBA terminated Latrell Sprewell's job prospects, suspending him for a year, the rest of this season and the start of the next.

Also, the Converse sneaker company, which had vowed to stand by Sprewell, dropped him.

"Latrell Sprewell assaulted Coach P.J. Carlesimo twice at Monday's practice," NBA Commissioner David Stern said. "First, he choked him until forcibly pulled away. Then, after leaving practice, Mr. Sprewell returned and fought his way through others in order to commit a second, and this time clearly premeditated, assault.

"A sports league does not have to accept or condone behavior that would not be tolerated in any other segment of society. Accordingly, Latrell Sprewell is suspended from the NBA for one year."

The suspension is the longest in NBA history. The record was held by the Lakers' Kermit Washington, who missed half of the 1977-78 season after throwing the punch that caved in Rudy Tomjanovich's face.




Sprewell's Image Remains in a Chokehold

Quote:

Regardless of what he accomplishes in basketball, Latrell Sprewell will live in infamy as the player who attacked and threatened to kill his coach. During a Golden State Warriors practice in 1997, Sprewell snapped, choking P.J. Carlesimo before returning about 20 minutes later to continue the assault.

NBA Commissioner David Stern suspended Sprewell for 82 games before an arbitrator reduced the sentence to 68 games, costing Sprewell $6.4 million and his shoe deal with Converse.

Sprewell deemed the punishment too harsh. "I wasn't choking P.J. that hard," Sprewell told 60 Minutes. "I mean, he could breathe."



106. How does player discipline work? Can teams fine or suspend players for any reason? Do fines and suspensions apply to team salary?

Quote:

The money from fines and suspensions is put to good use -- it's given to charities of the NBA's and players association's choosing. Players are not paid while they are suspended -- for each missed game, the player is docked 1/110 of his salary, whether suspended for a preseason, regular season or postseason game.



Nick's salary for the 2015 - 2016 season was $5,219,169.

$5,219,169 / 110 = $47,447 for each game that Nick would have been suspended.


If Nick would have gotten a ten game suspension for beating up Russell:

$47,447 * 10 = $474,470



He would have also been at risk of having his contract terminated.

From the CBA

Quote:


EXHIBIT A NATIONAL BASKETBALL ASSOCIATIONUNIFORM PLAYER CONTRACT


16. TERMINATION.

(a) The Team may terminate this Contract upon written notice to the Player if the Player shall:

(i) at any time, fail, refuse, or neglect to conform his personal conduct to standards of good citizenship, good moral character (defined here to mean not engaging in acts of moral turpitude, whether or not such acts would constitute a crime), and good sportsmanship, to keep himself in first class physical condition, or to obey the Team’s training rules;
(ii)

at any time commit a significant and inexcusable physical attack against any official or employee of the Team or the NBA (other than another player), or any person in attendance at any NBA game or event, considering the totality of the circumstances, including (but not limited to)the degree of provocation (if any) that may have led to the attack, the nature and scope of the attack, the Player’s state of mind at the time of the attack, and the extent of any injury resulting from the attack;





Let's count the number of games Kobe was suspended for slugging Samaki Walker. 0.


In this hypothetical fight, if one is tasked with picking between the guy who grew up in the posh setting of porn valley or the guy from Louisville who would be the odds on favorite? Nick probably didn't step to DLO because he knew an ass whooping would've descended upon him. Either Swaggy is a punk or he's soft. If he was truly feeling some type of way about it, like we've been lead to believe, these two would've exchanged hands months ago but they didn't. Where I'm from that's on the "wronged" party to rectify. Swaggy didn't do anything because he was incapable of doing anything. Time to move along.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 10:01 am    Post subject:

Vic5150 wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
Sprewell Is Suspended by the NBA

Quote:

Pro basketball: Player receives one-year league ban after Warriors terminate contract for insubordination.
December 05, 1997|MARK HEISLER | TIMES STAFF WRITER

Less than 12 hours after his former employers, the Golden State Warriors, terminated his contract and its $23.7-million balance, the NBA terminated Latrell Sprewell's job prospects, suspending him for a year, the rest of this season and the start of the next.

Also, the Converse sneaker company, which had vowed to stand by Sprewell, dropped him.

"Latrell Sprewell assaulted Coach P.J. Carlesimo twice at Monday's practice," NBA Commissioner David Stern said. "First, he choked him until forcibly pulled away. Then, after leaving practice, Mr. Sprewell returned and fought his way through others in order to commit a second, and this time clearly premeditated, assault.

"A sports league does not have to accept or condone behavior that would not be tolerated in any other segment of society. Accordingly, Latrell Sprewell is suspended from the NBA for one year."

The suspension is the longest in NBA history. The record was held by the Lakers' Kermit Washington, who missed half of the 1977-78 season after throwing the punch that caved in Rudy Tomjanovich's face.




Sprewell's Image Remains in a Chokehold

Quote:

Regardless of what he accomplishes in basketball, Latrell Sprewell will live in infamy as the player who attacked and threatened to kill his coach. During a Golden State Warriors practice in 1997, Sprewell snapped, choking P.J. Carlesimo before returning about 20 minutes later to continue the assault.

NBA Commissioner David Stern suspended Sprewell for 82 games before an arbitrator reduced the sentence to 68 games, costing Sprewell $6.4 million and his shoe deal with Converse.

Sprewell deemed the punishment too harsh. "I wasn't choking P.J. that hard," Sprewell told 60 Minutes. "I mean, he could breathe."



106. How does player discipline work? Can teams fine or suspend players for any reason? Do fines and suspensions apply to team salary?

Quote:

The money from fines and suspensions is put to good use -- it's given to charities of the NBA's and players association's choosing. Players are not paid while they are suspended -- for each missed game, the player is docked 1/110 of his salary, whether suspended for a preseason, regular season or postseason game.



Nick's salary for the 2015 - 2016 season was $5,219,169.

$5,219,169 / 110 = $47,447 for each game that Nick would have been suspended.


If Nick would have gotten a ten game suspension for beating up Russell:

$47,447 * 10 = $474,470



He would have also been at risk of having his contract terminated.

From the CBA

Quote:


EXHIBIT A NATIONAL BASKETBALL ASSOCIATIONUNIFORM PLAYER CONTRACT


16. TERMINATION.

(a) The Team may terminate this Contract upon written notice to the Player if the Player shall:

(i) at any time, fail, refuse, or neglect to conform his personal conduct to standards of good citizenship, good moral character (defined here to mean not engaging in acts of moral turpitude, whether or not such acts would constitute a crime), and good sportsmanship, to keep himself in first class physical condition, or to obey the Team’s training rules;
(ii)

at any time commit a significant and inexcusable physical attack against any official or employee of the Team or the NBA (other than another player), or any person in attendance at any NBA game or event, considering the totality of the circumstances, including (but not limited to)the degree of provocation (if any) that may have led to the attack, the nature and scope of the attack, the Player’s state of mind at the time of the attack, and the extent of any injury resulting from the attack;





Let's count the number of games Kobe was suspended for slugging Samaki Walker. 0.


In this hypothetical fight, if one is tasked with picking between the guy who grew up in the posh setting of porn valley or the guy from Louisville who would be the odds on favorite? Nick probably didn't step to DLO because he knew an ass whooping would've descended upon him. Either Swaggy is a punk or he's soft. If he was truly feeling some type of way about it, like we've been lead to believe, these two would've exchanged hands months ago but they didn't. Where I'm from that's on the "wronged" party to rectify. Swaggy didn't do anything because he was incapable of doing anything. Time to move along.


Or maybe Nick is just not a violent idiot, just an un-classy two timer. Why Nick would have to get into a fist fight, if thats not his thing, is beyond me.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 2:08 pm    Post subject:

deal wrote:
Vic5150 wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Bard207 wrote:
Sprewell Is Suspended by the NBA

Quote:

Pro basketball: Player receives one-year league ban after Warriors terminate contract for insubordination.
December 05, 1997|MARK HEISLER | TIMES STAFF WRITER

Less than 12 hours after his former employers, the Golden State Warriors, terminated his contract and its $23.7-million balance, the NBA terminated Latrell Sprewell's job prospects, suspending him for a year, the rest of this season and the start of the next.

Also, the Converse sneaker company, which had vowed to stand by Sprewell, dropped him.

"Latrell Sprewell assaulted Coach P.J. Carlesimo twice at Monday's practice," NBA Commissioner David Stern said. "First, he choked him until forcibly pulled away. Then, after leaving practice, Mr. Sprewell returned and fought his way through others in order to commit a second, and this time clearly premeditated, assault.

"A sports league does not have to accept or condone behavior that would not be tolerated in any other segment of society. Accordingly, Latrell Sprewell is suspended from the NBA for one year."

The suspension is the longest in NBA history. The record was held by the Lakers' Kermit Washington, who missed half of the 1977-78 season after throwing the punch that caved in Rudy Tomjanovich's face.




Sprewell's Image Remains in a Chokehold

Quote:

Regardless of what he accomplishes in basketball, Latrell Sprewell will live in infamy as the player who attacked and threatened to kill his coach. During a Golden State Warriors practice in 1997, Sprewell snapped, choking P.J. Carlesimo before returning about 20 minutes later to continue the assault.

NBA Commissioner David Stern suspended Sprewell for 82 games before an arbitrator reduced the sentence to 68 games, costing Sprewell $6.4 million and his shoe deal with Converse.

Sprewell deemed the punishment too harsh. "I wasn't choking P.J. that hard," Sprewell told 60 Minutes. "I mean, he could breathe."



106. How does player discipline work? Can teams fine or suspend players for any reason? Do fines and suspensions apply to team salary?

Quote:

The money from fines and suspensions is put to good use -- it's given to charities of the NBA's and players association's choosing. Players are not paid while they are suspended -- for each missed game, the player is docked 1/110 of his salary, whether suspended for a preseason, regular season or postseason game.



Nick's salary for the 2015 - 2016 season was $5,219,169.

$5,219,169 / 110 = $47,447 for each game that Nick would have been suspended.


If Nick would have gotten a ten game suspension for beating up Russell:

$47,447 * 10 = $474,470



He would have also been at risk of having his contract terminated.

From the CBA

Quote:


EXHIBIT A NATIONAL BASKETBALL ASSOCIATIONUNIFORM PLAYER CONTRACT


16. TERMINATION.

(a) The Team may terminate this Contract upon written notice to the Player if the Player shall:

(i) at any time, fail, refuse, or neglect to conform his personal conduct to standards of good citizenship, good moral character (defined here to mean not engaging in acts of moral turpitude, whether or not such acts would constitute a crime), and good sportsmanship, to keep himself in first class physical condition, or to obey the Team’s training rules;
(ii)

at any time commit a significant and inexcusable physical attack against any official or employee of the Team or the NBA (other than another player), or any person in attendance at any NBA game or event, considering the totality of the circumstances, including (but not limited to)the degree of provocation (if any) that may have led to the attack, the nature and scope of the attack, the Player’s state of mind at the time of the attack, and the extent of any injury resulting from the attack;





Let's count the number of games Kobe was suspended for slugging Samaki Walker. 0.


In this hypothetical fight, if one is tasked with picking between the guy who grew up in the posh setting of porn valley or the guy from Louisville who would be the odds on favorite? Nick probably didn't step to DLO because he knew an ass whooping would've descended upon him. Either Swaggy is a punk or he's soft. If he was truly feeling some type of way about it, like we've been lead to believe, these two would've exchanged hands months ago but they didn't. Where I'm from that's on the "wronged" party to rectify. Swaggy didn't do anything because he was incapable of doing anything. Time to move along.


Or maybe Nick is just not a violent idiot, just an un-classy two timer. Why Nick would have to get into a fist fight, if thats not his thing, is beyond me.


Because you put all those tweets out there. You put this image out there. You've got to make that stuff mean something otherwise it becomes obvious you're the type to let others fight your battles for you which is what the media and various apologists have done. Or did I miss something with all those "Most Hated Player" posts that litter my BR news feed since this silly (bleep) went down? It's like the "bro code" is cool to invoke to throw a teammate under the bus but not when it's time to address the situation man to man. Whatever though, Nick is an organizational annoyance that's allegedly on borrowed time.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 12:41 am    Post subject:

September coming soon, hopefully the end of Nick Young - its sort of like giving your last smoke up to the condemned man, just so you can get the firing squad show on the road....
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 5:36 am    Post subject:

I hope the Lakers watched the Ryan Locthe experience closely.

That's what Young is on this team.

At least Locthe won some gold medals.
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I'm leaning more towards just buying him out over the next 2 years instead of stretching him (if he would agree to offset his salary with the next contract he would get. Vets min would be about 3M for 2 year

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I'm leaning more towards just buying him out over the next 2 years instead of stretching him (if he would agree to offset his salary with the next contract he would get. Vets min would be about 3M for 2 year

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1. You can't agree not to stretch a contract. That 2.8 would be stretched.

2. If he can get 3 mil, he can just as easily get it after getting paid his full deal. And even if he just gets vet minimum or a deal in China, he's ahead by not giving up his money. His best business play is to not negotiate down.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:07 am    Post subject:

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I'm leaning more towards just buying him out over the next 2 years instead of stretching him (if he would agree to offset his salary with the next contract he would get. Vets min would be about 3M for 2 year

2016-2017-5.4M (Full Salary)
2017-2018-2.8M


1. You can't agree not to stretch a contract. That 2.8 would be stretched.

2. If he can get 3 mil, he can just as easily get it after getting paid his full deal. And even if he just gets vet minimum or a deal in China, he's ahead by not giving up his money. His best business play is to not negotiate down.


I hate the concept of paying a player to not play. Always have.

I am still holding out hope that Young can be traded. I find it hard to believe there is not just one team in the League that will not take him for a 2nd rd pick.

Or at worst take him with a 2nd rd pick from the Lakers.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:26 am    Post subject:

Four Decade Bandwagon wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
dcarter4kobe wrote:
I'm leaning more towards just buying him out over the next 2 years instead of stretching him (if he would agree to offset his salary with the next contract he would get. Vets min would be about 3M for 2 year

2016-2017-5.4M (Full Salary)
2017-2018-2.8M


1. You can't agree not to stretch a contract. That 2.8 would be stretched.

2. If he can get 3 mil, he can just as easily get it after getting paid his full deal. And even if he just gets vet minimum or a deal in China, he's ahead by not giving up his money. His best business play is to not negotiate down.


I hate the concept of paying a player to not play. Always have.

I am still holding out hope that Young can be traded. I find it hard to believe there is not just one team in the League that will not take him for a 2nd rd pick.

Or at worst take him with a 2nd rd pick from the Lakers.


the rumor during this draft was teams couldn't by 2nd round picks for 2/3m

I prefer to just buy him out then throw in a 2nd rd pick to get rid of him.

nobody wants a 30yr old with 12yr brain.

people still remember his Washington/philly days
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:48 am    Post subject:

Four Decade Bandwagon wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
dcarter4kobe wrote:
I'm leaning more towards just buying him out over the next 2 years instead of stretching him (if he would agree to offset his salary with the next contract he would get. Vets min would be about 3M for 2 year

2016-2017-5.4M (Full Salary)
2017-2018-2.8M


1. You can't agree not to stretch a contract. That 2.8 would be stretched.

2. If he can get 3 mil, he can just as easily get it after getting paid his full deal. And even if he just gets vet minimum or a deal in China, he's ahead by not giving up his money. His best business play is to not negotiate down.


I hate the concept of paying a player to not play. Always have.

I am still holding out hope that Young can be traded. I find it hard to believe there is not just one team in the League that will not take him for a 2nd rd pick.

Or at worst take him with a 2nd rd pick from the Lakers.


Giving up a pick with Young is a waste.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:04 am    Post subject:

I would rather pay Swaggy to stay away than pay him and have him at the practice facility causing harm just because we don't want to pay a player to stay away.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 3:49 am    Post subject:

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I'm leaning more towards just buying him out over the next 2 years instead of stretching him (if he would agree to offset his salary with the next contract he would get. Vets min would be about 3M for 2 year

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1. You can't agree not to stretch a contract. That 2.8 would be stretched.

2. If he can get 3 mil, he can just as easily get it after getting paid his full deal. And even if he just gets vet minimum or a deal in China, he's ahead by not giving up his money. His best business play is to not negotiate down.



A team has to match (synch) the schedule of charges against team salary to the payment schedule of a player that was stretch waived?
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Four Decade Bandwagon wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
dcarter4kobe wrote:
I'm leaning more towards just buying him out over the next 2 years instead of stretching him (if he would agree to offset his salary with the next contract he would get. Vets min would be about 3M for 2 year

2016-2017-5.4M (Full Salary)
2017-2018-2.8M


1. You can't agree not to stretch a contract. That 2.8 would be stretched.

2. If he can get 3 mil, he can just as easily get it after getting paid his full deal. And even if he just gets vet minimum or a deal in China, he's ahead by not giving up his money. His best business play is to not negotiate down.


I hate the concept of paying a player to not play. Always have.

I am still holding out hope that Young can be traded. I find it hard to believe there is not just one team in the League that will not take him for a 2nd rd pick.

Or at worst take him with a 2nd rd pick from the Lakers.


Giving up a pick with Young is a waste.


I agree. As I stated, I prefer getting a second.

But in the end I would prefer sending a future 2nd rounder then having to waste a few million per year to pay out or stretch him. Or have to include a player like Black, Williams or Brown to get someone to take him.

Still surprised he has no trade value. Just one team needs to be interested and take on a relatively low salary. Just one team!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:30 am    Post subject:

No one is willing to pay even a marginal price for him because the league knows who he is after 9 seasons. He's the exact same guy and player he was as a rookie with Washington. He's not going to mature or improve, and at 30, his play is likely to continue to decline.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:36 am    Post subject:

We're continuing to pay the BS tax. Like Lin, BS's BS has removed all value from Young as a player. He was our best perimeter defender last year (sad but true) and was on a roll until "circus" happened. Like Lin, a year on an NBA level team will resuscitate his value but we can't afford to be the team where that happens.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 7:41 am    Post subject:

LakersRGolden wrote:
We're continuing to pay the BS tax. Like Lin, BS's BS has removed all value from Young as a player. He was our best perimeter defender last year (sad but true) and was on a roll until "circus" happened. Like Lin, a year on an NBA level team will resuscitate his value but we can't afford to be the team where that happens.


He's 31. Been known as this kind of clown-ish player for nearly a decade.

He can't manage to stay on a team, let alone get to the playoffs on one.

He is what he is. His value has dropped mostly b/c of his own actions.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 8:05 am    Post subject:

LakersRGolden wrote:
We're continuing to pay the BS tax. Like Lin, BS's BS has removed all value from Young as a player. He was our best perimeter defender last year (sad but true) and was on a roll until "circus" happened. Like Lin, a year on an NBA level team will resuscitate his value but we can't afford to be the team where that happens.


I would love to agree with your logic. Just can't.

To this point there has been zero interest to my knowledge of a team willing to salvage his reputation and career. Not one. That says a lot IMO.

In a league where second chances and redemption stories occur every year not one team is willing to take the chance and add him on a marginal contract for two years at most.

Swaggy P is toxic and unfortunately it will continue to cost the Lakers even after he has been moved or bought out.

Not sure what is sadder...that his career has plummeted to this point or that he does not understand why and keeps being Swaggy P. Just can't help himself.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 8:08 am    Post subject:

Swaggy has been given multiple second chances. This may be the last one in the NBA. Maybe some team will give him a make-good minimum deal, but he causes too many distractions off the court.

IF anything, he'd be better suited for a more playoff-contending team with strong lockerroom voices. However, why would a good team want to even dabble with Swaggy?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 9:38 pm    Post subject:

Four Decade Bandwagon wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Four Decade Bandwagon wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
dcarter4kobe wrote:
I'm leaning more towards just buying him out over the next 2 years instead of stretching him (if he would agree to offset his salary with the next contract he would get. Vets min would be about 3M for 2 year

2016-2017-5.4M (Full Salary)
2017-2018-2.8M


1. You can't agree not to stretch a contract. That 2.8 would be stretched.

2. If he can get 3 mil, he can just as easily get it after getting paid his full deal. And even if he just gets vet minimum or a deal in China, he's ahead by not giving up his money. His best business play is to not negotiate down.


I hate the concept of paying a player to not play. Always have.

I am still holding out hope that Young can be traded. I find it hard to believe there is not just one team in the League that will not take him for a 2nd rd pick.

Or at worst take him with a 2nd rd pick from the Lakers.


Giving up a pick with Young is a waste.


I agree. As I stated, I prefer getting a second.

But in the end I would prefer sending a future 2nd rounder then having to waste a few million per year to pay out or stretch him. Or have to include a player like Black, Williams or Brown to get someone to take him.

Still surprised he has no trade value. Just one team needs to be interested and take on a relatively low salary. Just one team!

While there is a good chance the Lakers would buy him out, that "one team" will just wait.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 11:29 pm    Post subject:

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I hope the Lakers watched the Ryan Locthe experience closely.

That's what Young is on this team.

At least Locthe won some gold medals.


Nah Lochte outweighs Swaggy on the POS scale, though Nick is no slouch himself. But I wouldn't quite put him on Lochte territory. Regardless he's gotta go.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 11:44 pm    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
LakersRGolden wrote:
We're continuing to pay the BS tax. Like Lin, BS's BS has removed all value from Young as a player. He was our best perimeter defender last year (sad but true) and was on a roll until "circus" happened. Like Lin, a year on an NBA level team will resuscitate his value but we can't afford to be the team where that happens.


He's 31. Been known as this kind of clown-ish player for nearly a decade.

He can't manage to stay on a team, let alone get to the playoffs on one.

He is what he is. His value has dropped mostly b/c of his own actions.


I agree this has gone way beyond being Scott's fault......and that is really saying something
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