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| ringfinger wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | ESPN with another baseless projection.
Im willing to bet 100$ that the team wins around 35-40 wins and 45-50 if everything clicks. |
ESPN has been overly optimistic in their win total projections for us though.
And $100? Now that's when you know someone really believes. One hondo whole dollars! Haha.
35-40 is our ceiling IMO. |
Borderline playoffs? I'll take it!  |
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| Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | The issue I have with computer projection s is it does not take into account the human element or intangibles. The player/coach chemistry.
IMO the most significant change this off-season has been the coaching staff. Walton and the rest all seem to be great communicators and have player development strengths.
And from all accounts the players are listening.
Not sure how that element is accounted for with raw stats.
The roster has young players ready to learn and develop and some added vets that are leaders and solid professionals. The roster is much deeper and more versatile then past years and in Walton a HC ready and willing to use it.
I may be way too optimistic but I think the Lakers will be competitive and win over 30 games. IMO 40 games is a long shot possibility if all the "intangibles" fall into place early in the season as I hope they do. |
Chemistry and identity is the missing recipe for this team to overachieve. |
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| Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | ESPN with another baseless projection.
Im willing to bet 100$ that the team wins around 35-40 wins and 45-50 if everything clicks. |
ESPN has been overly optimistic in their win total projections for us though.
And $100? Now that's when you know someone really believes. One hondo whole dollars! Haha.
35-40 is our ceiling IMO. |
Borderline playoffs? I'll take it! |
I'd say borderline playoffs will be more 40-45 since I don't remember the last time 40 wins was sufficient for playoff qualifications, but yeah, I'd take 35-40 too. That's a huge leap from 17. |
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Four Decade Bandwagon
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 7:18 am Post subject: |
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| ringfinger wrote: | | Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | ESPN with another baseless projection.
Im willing to bet 100$ that the team wins around 35-40 wins and 45-50 if everything clicks. |
ESPN has been overly optimistic in their win total projections for us though.
And $100? Now that's when you know someone really believes. One hondo whole dollars! Haha.
35-40 is our ceiling IMO. |
Borderline playoffs? I'll take it! |
I'd say borderline playoffs will be more 40-45 since I don't remember the last time 40 wins was sufficient for playoff qualifications, but yeah, I'd take 35-40 too. That's a huge leap from 17. |
Quibbling...but 41 wins was the 8th seed last year. 42 wins for 6th and 7th.
And in the East 38 wins has been enough for the 8th seed for a couple years in a row now. Yes, I know, The East.
I am expecting an improved Lakers team. I just have no clue if the improvement is enough for wins or just less 20 point blowouts.
I will remain optimistic in August and until the reality of the regular season kicks in. |
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Lakers will win 32 games.
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| ringfinger wrote: | | Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | | ringfinger wrote: | | Inspector Gadget wrote: | ESPN with another baseless projection.
Im willing to bet 100$ that the team wins around 35-40 wins and 45-50 if everything clicks. |
ESPN has been overly optimistic in their win total projections for us though.
And $100? Now that's when you know someone really believes. One hondo whole dollars! Haha.
35-40 is our ceiling IMO. |
Borderline playoffs? I'll take it! |
I'd say borderline playoffs will be more 40-45 since I don't remember the last time 40 wins was sufficient for playoff qualifications, but yeah, I'd take 35-40 too. That's a huge leap from 17. |
We need 1 more piece, I think Mitch is gonna help us get that piece especially if we are within playoff distance. |
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dont_be_a_wuss
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I don't think we will have a draft pick in 2018.
Harry Giles 2017! |
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More realistic IMO is we convey the pick to the 76ers in 2017, keep our 2017 2nd and in 2018, we'd have a 1st, and 2nd (from Calderon deal).
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 8:32 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | More realistic IMO is we convey the pick to the 76ers in 2017, keep our 2017 2nd and in 2018, we'd have a 1st, and 2nd (from Calderon deal). |
Why wouldn't we have our own 2018 second round pick in your scenario? |
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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | More realistic IMO is we convey the pick to the 76ers in 2017, keep our 2017 2nd and in 2018, we'd have a 1st, and 2nd (from Calderon deal). |
Why wouldn't we have our own 2018 second round pick in your scenario? |
Perhaps we do. That's why I asked about it since I couldn't recall the mechanics. So in that case in 2018 we'd have:
Lakers 1st (probably lottery pick or close to it)
Lakers 2nd
2nd rounder from Calderon trade.
Not too shabby in terms of trade pieces and/or asset acquiring.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | More realistic IMO is we convey the pick to the 76ers in 2017, keep our 2017 2nd and in 2018, we'd have a 1st, and 2nd (from Calderon deal). |
Why wouldn't we have our own 2018 second round pick in your scenario? |
Perhaps we do. That's why I asked about it since I couldn't recall the mechanics. So in that case in 2018 we'd have:
Lakers 1st (probably lottery pick or close to it)
Lakers 2nd
2nd rounder from Calderon trade.
Not too shabby in terms of trade pieces and/or asset acquiring. |
Yeah, another year to pick up good talent in the draft if we have all those picks. The 2017 and 2018 2nd round picks are earmarked to go to Orlando only if we keep the 2017 1st round pick. |
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| I assumed ESPN wouldn't give us too much credit for this offseason but how can they say that the additions of Simmons Saric and Embiid are worth more than our additions and the 7 win cushion? We aren't going to be great this year and I think 24 wins is low but reasonable if you don't give the sixers more wins. That's completely unjustifiable. |
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The Sixers actually have NBA level guards this year (Rodriquez, Bayless, Henderson). That will make a big difference.
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | The Sixers actually have NBA level guards this year (Rodriquez, Bayless, Henderson). That will make a big difference. |
And their biggest delta is Embiid, who I doubt plays more than 50 games, 25mpg.
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http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/243189/Warriors-Spurs-Cavs-Celtics-Raptors-Lead-ESPNs-RPM-Projected-Wins
Western Conference
1. Warriors: 66.8
2. Spurs: 54.5
3. Jazz: 47.6
4. Clippers: 46.3
5. Rockets: 45.8
6. Thunder: 45.6
7. Blazers: 44.5
8. Nuggets: 40.4
9. Grizzlies: 39.4
10. Kings: 37.7
11. Wolves: 37.1
12. Pelicans: 37.0
13. Mavericks: 34.3
14. Suns: 29.2
15. Lakers: 24.3
Eastern Conference
1. Cavaliers: 52.1
2. Celtics: 49.8
3. Raptors: 48.8
4. Pistons: 47.5
5. Wizards: 41.4
6. Hornets: 41.0
7. Bucks: 40.9
8. Pacers: 38.9
9. Hawks: 38.6
10. Heat: 38.3
11. Bulls: 37.8
12. Magic: 36.2
13. Knicks: 34.7
14. Nets: 28.8
15. 76ers: 24.5
I refuse to believe that 76ers, Nets, Suns or Kings will win more than than the Lakers.  |
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You'd think the Kings would finally get their act together having the "best center in basketball" (personally, I think he's overrated) so them being higher than us really doesn't bother me. The Nets on the other hand...
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| Quote: | | With their first rounder set to go to Philadelphia if it falls outside of the top-three selections it would be foolish to outright and deliberately tank, but what these projections make clear is that the Lakers may not need quite as much luck as previously thought in order to retain their pick. It’s not something to count on, but it’s possible the team could take a baby step this year and still add some more young talent in the offseason. |
http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2016/8/24/12630620/la-lakers-espn-prediction-projection-record-2016-2017
Pretty much how I feel.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:33 am Post subject: |
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | | With their first rounder set to go to Philadelphia if it falls outside of the top-three selections it would be foolish to outright and deliberately tank, but what these projections make clear is that the Lakers may not need quite as much luck as previously thought in order to retain their pick. It’s not something to count on, but it’s possible the team could take a baby step this year and still add some more young talent in the offseason. |
http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2016/8/24/12630620/la-lakers-espn-prediction-projection-record-2016-2017
Pretty much how I feel. |
thats how i feel as well. they don't need to tank. they will be in bottom 3 by default. |
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| Jim99187 wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | Quote: | | With their first rounder set to go to Philadelphia if it falls outside of the top-three selections it would be foolish to outright and deliberately tank, but what these projections make clear is that the Lakers may not need quite as much luck as previously thought in order to retain their pick. It’s not something to count on, but it’s possible the team could take a baby step this year and still add some more young talent in the offseason. |
http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2016/8/24/12630620/la-lakers-espn-prediction-projection-record-2016-2017
Pretty much how I feel. |
thats how i feel as well. they don't need to tank. they will be in bottom 3 by default. |
And playing our young guys real minutes and not stunting their development like the Parking Brake.
Our young guys will get all the minutes they need this year. We may not win a lot of games but will spring board us well into 2017.
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | The Sixers actually have NBA level guards this year (Rodriquez, Bayless, Henderson). That will make a big difference. |
Not to mention... but I will... it's still the East.
Maybe the conference got weaker overall (haven't looked too closely) leading to more W's for the Sixers. |
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The W/L record from the 2015 - 2016 season is in parenthesis.
Atlantic Division
Boston (48 - 34)
Added Horoford
Should be the same or better
Knicks (32 - 50)
Added veterans
Should be better provided they can stay healthy
Toronto (56 - 26)
Should be about the same or perhaps a bit worse
Philadelphia (10 - 72)
Should be better
Brooklyn (21 - 61)
Should be the same or worse
Southeast Division
Miami (48 - 34)
Probably will be worse
Atlanta (48 - 34)
Lost Horford, but added Dwight
Should be about the same
Charlotte (48 - 34)
Should be about the same or slightly better
Orlando (35 - 47)
Should be better
Washington (41 - 41)
Should be the same or perhaps worse
Central Division
Cleveland (57 - 25)
Should be about the same
Chicago (42 - 40)
Should be better if they can stay healthy
Detroit (44 - 38)
Should be better
Indiana (45 - 37)
Should be the same or slightly better
Milwaukee (33 -49)
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | The Sixers actually have NBA level guards this year (Rodriquez, Bayless, Henderson). That will make a big difference. |
And their biggest delta is Embiid, who I doubt plays more than 50 games, 25mpg. |
They still have Okafor/Noel at the C spot. I wouldn't even start Embiid. Start Noel or Okafor and bring Embiid along slowly making sure his body holds up.
The Sixers were competitive in a lot of games last year and their guard rotation is going from Ish Smith/Isaiah Canaan/Nik Stauskas/TJ McConnell to Sergio Rodriquez/Gerald Henderson/J.Bayless/Timothe Luwawu. That's a major upgrade not to mention the 1st pick in the draft. They should be around 25 wins also
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| dcarter4kobe wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | dcarter4kobe wrote: | | The Sixers actually have NBA level guards this year (Rodriquez, Bayless, Henderson). That will make a big difference. |
And their biggest delta is Embiid, who I doubt plays more than 50 games, 25mpg. |
They still have Okafor/Noel at the C spot. I wouldn't even start Embiid. Start Noel or Okafor and bring Embiid along slowly making sure his body holds up.
The Sixers were competitive in a lot of games last year and their guard rotation is going from Ish Smith/Isaiah Canaan/Nik Stauskas/TJ McConnell to Sergio Rodriquez/Gerald Henderson/J.Bayless/Timothe Luwawu. That's a major upgrade not to mention the 1st pick in the draft. They should be around 25 wins also |
More than that, I don't think they will purposely tank Hinkie-style this year.
I don't think Henderson/Bayless are game changers, and Rodriguez is a wild card as his previous NBA stint wasn't superb.
But I do think they will win 20+ games.
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