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HoumanMD
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 Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 3:44 am Post subject: Lakers and 2003 Nuggets |
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| It is def summer with little laker news. Randomly searching Internet and found an interesting stat. The Denver Nuggests won 17 games in 2002-2003 and the following year won 43 games and made the playoffs. Who did they draft? Carmelo Anthony who averaged 21 points 6 rebound and 3 assists. Not saying Lakers drafting Ingram is the same, but consider Ingram, and essentially 2nd years from D'Angelo and Randle. All three may be able to improve enough to match that production. Suddenly 30-40 games seems reasonable. |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 6:49 am Post subject: Re: Lakers and 2003 Nuggets |
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| HoumanMD wrote: | | It is def summer with little laker news. Randomly searching Internet and found an interesting stat. The Denver Nuggests won 17 games in 2002-2003 and the following year won 43 games and made the playoffs. Who did they draft? Carmelo Anthony who averaged 21 points 6 rebound and 3 assists. Not saying Lakers drafting Ingram is the same, but consider Ingram, and essentially 2nd years from D'Angelo and Randle. All three may be able to improve enough to match that production. Suddenly 30-40 games seems reasonable. |
Very good post.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 6:56 am Post subject: |
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| Ingram won't score as well as Carmelo did but it's possible that he can impact the game more than Carmelo did with his defense. It's one reason why I think he may start from the beginning. Russell and Randle will make significant strides IMO I think we can do 35 wins |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 7:09 am Post subject: |
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| don't forget JC and Nance, 2nd rounders with chip on their shoulders (ok late 1st) |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 7:17 am Post subject: |
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| Melo was a beast. |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 8:04 am Post subject: |
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Ingram was no Carmelo. If he was he'd have went 1st and we'd have Simmons.
And all that fact does is make it very obvious that the Pistons would have been a potential 3-peat dynasty had they drafted Melo. |
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great post. Even if we're 8th or 9th seed this year, it would be an amazing season. (I dont want to believe any of the projections about us) 
Compared to the 03-04 Nuggets, I think out team is more talented and versatile. Hopefully we can duplicate the same success after last years 17 wins season. |
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[quote="MJST"]Ingram was no Carmelo. If he was he'd have went 1st and we'd have Simmons.
And all that fact does is make it very obvious that the Pistons would have been a potential 3-peat dynasty had they drafted Melo.[/quote
Most experts had Ingram as #1, but Philly choose Simmons cause they wanted someone who can put people in the seats.
Once again the OP bought up a good point, If Ingram ends up having a good season that changes things. |
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| Inspector Gadget wrote: | | MJST wrote: | Ingram was no Carmelo. If he was he'd have went 1st and we'd have Simmons.
And all that fact does is make it very obvious that the Pistons would have been a potential 3-peat dynasty had they drafted Melo. |
Most experts had Ingram as #1, but Philly choose Simmons cause they wanted someone who can put people in the seats.
Once again the OP bought up a good point, If Ingram ends up having a good season that changes things. |
Ingram was had at number 1 because of potential, not because of where he already was. Carmelo would have been number 1 in this draft because of both. Jabari Parker would have went 1 in this draft because of both.
Ingram has a lot of potential, but he was no Freshman Carmelo Anthony, he wasn't even a freshman Jabari Parker. So temper the expectations a little.
Ingram is a guy we're looking at 4 years down the road, not the guy who's going to single handedly carry a team on his back to a playoff spot his rookie year, which Carmelo was. If Ingram could do all that at this point Duke would have won the Championship this season.
Towns had one of the best rookie seasons in recent history, followed by Andrew Wiggins putting up 20 a game.
They didn't get any further to the playoffs let alone making it.
If Ingram, Russell and Clarkson were all 20+ per game scorers on a solid efficiency next year there may be hope for that, but the reality is, Ingram isn't the single driving force behind it. Nor would he be, like a rookie Carmelo was. He's NOT THERE YET, and I think it's time more people accepted this instead of setting themselves up for major disappointment where if in even a solid rookie year Ingram is no Melo. Melo as a rookie, as a freshman and coming out of high school was more special than Ingram was and currently is and had he been drafted to the right team he's sitting on a few championships now and it isn't a discussion.
Look, it's fine to be excited for Ingram, but expecting him to have the same impact as rookie Carmelo Anthony is PUSHING IT severely.
There is no flipping way Philly would draft Simmons over freshman Melo.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 9:19 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | So temper the expectations a little. |
NEVER!!! |
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sorry, but Parker wouldn't have gone before Ingram in this draft. I think you're giving offensive production a little too much value. Ingrams the better prospect and 19/9 is only marginally better than 17/7. Especially considering Ingrams impact on the defensive end of the floor combined with the fact that he did it as basically a highschool senior.
Not to mention he was drafted behind a guy (wiggins) who put up similar college numbers to Ingram. Who was also picked before Parker because of his potential to impact both sides of the floor.
I agree on the Melo statement (sort of). I dont think ingram will score as effectively as Melo, but that doesn't mean he can't have a similar impact using his length on defense as well as scoring.
Is it likely? Maybe not but having someone like Ingram that can lower the effeciency of opposing wings like Melo, durant, khawi, pg13 etc could be exactly what we need if Randle, Clarkson, and Russell take the leaps we all expect them to make. We should be able to score with the best of teams this season. Now we potentially have some defensive stoppers as well. Deng, Ingram, nance. |
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| I don't know if Ingram can be that guy this year, but I have high expectations for DLO to show that he's going to be big in this league. |
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Somebody should post this in a 76ers forum. That'll give their fanbase hope too!
Naaaaa.... screw 'em
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But everyone on here says Melo is a selfish chucker. So Ingram isn't better than that?
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| CBaller8 wrote: | | But everyone on here says Melo is a selfish chucked. So Ingram isn't better than that? |
Hopefully. But rookie Melo was great for a rookie. Deserved ROY over LeBron, in my opinion. |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Anthony averaged 37 minutes as a rookie. How's Ingram going to do that stuck behind Deng? |
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| greenfrog wrote: | | Anthony averaged 37 minutes as a rookie. How's Ingram going to do that stuck behind Deng? |
That also should tell you how much better Carmelo was. He was given the job to start and lead a franchise. Ingram's going to likely be coming off the bench till he gets used to the speed of the game.
Carmelo was already at the speed of the game when he came into the league.
And Brandon Ingram wouldn't single handedly lead that Nuggets team to the playoffs his rookie year.
| CBaller8 wrote: | | But everyone on here says Melo is a selfish chucker. So Ingram isn't better than that? |
The selfish chucker that had a near triple double in his last college game for the Championship.
The selfish chucker that was averaging 29/6/4 by year 3?
Yeah Carmelo gets a bad rap because he hasn't won a championship. Lot of it has to do with the team he was drafted to and who they had to go up against, but you can't say he didn't do all he could.
If Carmelo was drafted to the Pistons he'd have sat on 3 rings in his first 4 years, before the Miami Heat took off and likely would have been the team LeBron couldn't get past till he went to Miami. Imagine how much NBA History and perception changes in that scenario...
Back to the subject of Ingram. If Ingram was as good an isolation scorer as Jabari Parker was, in addition to his defensive potential he'd have gone 1st over Simmons.
People only looking at the stats 17/7 etc are missing how Coach K used Ingram. He wasn't used off the iso like Parker was. Ingram got his shots due to his off ball movement, and Grayson Allen was the guy who lead that team. Parker very obviously lead the Duke team and was the guy with the ball in his hands the majority of the time. Ingram didn't have that, and wasn't ready for that.
In terms of "NBA readiness" of Duke's last 3 picks, with Parker, Okafor and Ingram. Ingram is probably last on that list in terms of NBA readiness. So people shouldn't even be trying to compare what he could do to a Freshman Carmelo Anthony. A Freshman Carmelo Anthony that single handedly lead his team to the National Championship doesn't go 2nd to Ben Simmons, it just doesn't happen. |
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