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PICKnPOP Star Player
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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I'm interested in seeing how Luke decides to matchup with teams defensively. Personally, I'd switch Russell and Clarkson to allow Clarkson to defend PGs. He may be average at Sg( length wise) but he would be above average at PG and that would help his defense tremendously. Dlo still has great length at Sg and should be physically strong enough to defend there now.
Dlo should still do the majority of the ball handling offensively though. |
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Vin Star Player
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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PICKnPOP wrote: | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | They probably put Clarksons defense lowww, and the low rating came from it |
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tox Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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dood23 wrote: | tox wrote: | dood23 wrote: | 0514 wrote: | anpherknee wrote: | https://twitter.com/NBALakersNation/status/769266950224556032 |
Way too low. Should be at least an 80-83 but lets let JC do his thing |
Right
but Embiid gets a 77 without playing a single game.
Hey, they're software developers, not basketball experts |
Are you trying to imply you can't be both? |
No.
Hint: I'm one of the above, and I'm definitely not a basketball expert |
Ahh, my comrade-in-arms |
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KindCrippler2000 Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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Not the best 77 but best overall 77 player? Whad you guys think? |
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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zePokar wrote: | PICKnPOP wrote: | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | They probably put Clarksons defense lowww, and the low rating came from it |
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If Clarkson develops defense next season, I'm sure ratings will get updated. |
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:51 am Post subject: |
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Is this move legal? https://www.instagram.com/p/BJtyOA_DRqN/
If it is, Clarkson should try it this upcoming season for fun. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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The Logo Star Player
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 9:54 am Post subject: |
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anpherknee wrote: | https://twitter.com/NBALakersNation/status/769266950224556032 |
I thought for sure JC was going to be at least an 80, at least for now, I'd have JC higher than DLo |
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Dribble discontinuation aka carrying |
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 10:51 am Post subject: |
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PICKnPOP wrote: | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | They probably put Clarksons defense lowww, and the low rating came from it |
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then I think d russ's rating wouldn't be 79. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 10:53 am Post subject: |
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You guys put way too much thought and angst in NBA2K ratings. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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tox Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 11:47 am Post subject: |
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Outspoken wrote: | PICKnPOP wrote: | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | They probably put Clarksons defense lowww, and the low rating came from it |
Yup |
then I think d russ's rating wouldn't be 79. |
There's low, and then there's lowww |
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 11:50 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | You guys put way too much thought and angst in NBA2K ratings. | |
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BynumForThree Star Player
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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I'm sure Clarkson is low because of his defense, shooting and playmaking attributes.
77 is solid for him. |
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Judah Star Player
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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PICKnPOP wrote: | I'm interested in seeing how Luke decides to matchup with teams defensively. Personally, I'd switch Russell and Clarkson to allow Clarkson to defend PGs. He may be average at Sg( length wise) but he would be above average at PG and that would help his defense tremendously. Dlo still has great length at Sg and should be physically strong enough to defend there now.
Dlo should still do the majority of the ball handling offensively though. |
Yup. JC seems better suited to defend the opposing PG's because he has a lot more feet speed (in my Shaq voice) than D-LO. But JC seems really capable imo of becoming a legit pest on that end of the floor if he wants to be.
A potential negative to that, though, is the cross matches. If D-LO picks up the opposing SG it's more likely that that same SG he defended will end up defending him once they change ends, which could limit his post opportunities. He has the size advantage in the post against point guards, but SG's are a different story.
But then again, if he continues to develop his post game I can easily foresee opposing teams assigning their SG's to pick him up as a deterent. But hey, who knows. Luke seems to be an innovative coach offensively, so maybe he can figure out some clever ways to get around it. _________________ “Christ did not die to forgive sinners who go on treasuring anything above seeing and savoring God. And people who would be happy in heaven if Christ were not there, will not be there."
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Practice Star Player
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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tox wrote: | Outspoken wrote: | PICKnPOP wrote: | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | They probably put Clarksons defense lowww, and the low rating came from it |
Yup |
then I think d russ's rating wouldn't be 79. |
There's low, and then there's lowww |
This seems to be the case based on the other 2k topic. |
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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tox wrote: | Outspoken wrote: | PICKnPOP wrote: | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | They probably put Clarksons defense lowww, and the low rating came from it |
Yup |
then I think d russ's rating wouldn't be 79. |
There's low, and then there's lowww |
lowwwww like leading all rookies in steals last season? |
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KindCrippler2000 Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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MJST wrote: | tox wrote: | Outspoken wrote: | PICKnPOP wrote: | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | They probably put Clarksons defense lowww, and the low rating came from it |
Yup |
then I think d russ's rating wouldn't be 79. |
There's low, and then there's lowww |
lowwwww like leading all rookies in steals last season? |
The game is glitched. Byron Scott has not been removed from it. |
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tox Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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MJST wrote: | tox wrote: | Outspoken wrote: | PICKnPOP wrote: | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | They probably put Clarksons defense lowww, and the low rating came from it |
Yup |
then I think d russ's rating wouldn't be 79. |
There's low, and then there's lowww |
lowwwww like leading all rookies in steals last season? |
I actually meant Russell's was low and Clarkson's was lowww (especially when you factor in rookie year @ 19 vs. soph year @ 22). Seems to be a lot of false equivalency going on but defense could easily be why Russell is higher than Clarkson, despite defense being a weakness of Russell.
Of course Clarkson has all the tools to prove me wrong, but so far he hasn't done so. |
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nash Star Player
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:49 am Post subject: |
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tox wrote: | MJST wrote: | tox wrote: | Outspoken wrote: | PICKnPOP wrote: | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | They probably put Clarksons defense lowww, and the low rating came from it |
Yup |
then I think d russ's rating wouldn't be 79. |
There's low, and then there's lowww |
lowwwww like leading all rookies in steals last season? |
I actually meant Russell's was low and Clarkson's was lowww (especially when you factor in rookie year @ 19 vs. soph year @ 22). Seems to be a lot of false equivalency going on but defense could easily be why Russell is higher than Clarkson, despite defense being a weakness of Russell.
Of course Clarkson has all the tools to prove me wrong, but so far he hasn't done so. |
Agreed.
I just don't understand why you have Russell higher for his defense, in this case I don't see a lot of tools against the quick PG of this league. I have Russell higher as scorer, but their D sucks. |
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:51 am Post subject: |
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tox wrote: | MJST wrote: | tox wrote: | Outspoken wrote: | PICKnPOP wrote: | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | They probably put Clarksons defense lowww, and the low rating came from it |
Yup |
then I think d russ's rating wouldn't be 79. |
There's low, and then there's lowww |
lowwwww like leading all rookies in steals last season? |
I actually meant Russell's was low and Clarkson's was lowww (especially when you factor in rookie year @ 19 vs. soph year @ 22). Seems to be a lot of false equivalency going on but defense could easily be why Russell is higher than Clarkson, despite defense being a weakness of Russell.
Of course Clarkson has all the tools to prove me wrong, but so far he hasn't done so. |
Agreed |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:53 am Post subject: |
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nash wrote: | tox wrote: | MJST wrote: | tox wrote: | Outspoken wrote: | PICKnPOP wrote: | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | They probably put Clarksons defense lowww, and the low rating came from it |
Yup |
then I think d russ's rating wouldn't be 79. |
There's low, and then there's lowww |
lowwwww like leading all rookies in steals last season? |
I actually meant Russell's was low and Clarkson's was lowww (especially when you factor in rookie year @ 19 vs. soph year @ 22). Seems to be a lot of false equivalency going on but defense could easily be why Russell is higher than Clarkson, despite defense being a weakness of Russell.
Of course Clarkson has all the tools to prove me wrong, but so far he hasn't done so. |
Agreed.
I just don't understand why you have Russell higher for his defense, in this case I don't see a lot of tools against the quick PG of this league. I have Russell higher as scorer, but their D sucks. |
Well, he's also 4 years younger than JC. Usually with older rookies you'd assume their defense would be more up to par due to experience/age. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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nash Star Player
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:19 am Post subject: |
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yinoma2001 wrote: | nash wrote: | tox wrote: | MJST wrote: | tox wrote: | Outspoken wrote: | PICKnPOP wrote: | KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | They probably put Clarksons defense lowww, and the low rating came from it |
Yup |
then I think d russ's rating wouldn't be 79. |
There's low, and then there's lowww |
lowwwww like leading all rookies in steals last season? |
I actually meant Russell's was low and Clarkson's was lowww (especially when you factor in rookie year @ 19 vs. soph year @ 22). Seems to be a lot of false equivalency going on but defense could easily be why Russell is higher than Clarkson, despite defense being a weakness of Russell.
Of course Clarkson has all the tools to prove me wrong, but so far he hasn't done so. |
Agreed.
I just don't understand why you have Russell higher for his defense, in this case I don't see a lot of tools against the quick PG of this league. I have Russell higher as scorer, but their D sucks. |
Well, he's also 4 years younger than JC. Usually with older rookies you'd assume their defense would be more up to par due to experience/age. |
That is true, but if Clarkson really started to play late he may have a chance to succeed too. Russell seems smarter than Clarkson anticipating plays, but they are both sub par defenders at this point. |
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tox Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:14 am Post subject: |
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I just don't understand why you have Russell higher for his defense, in this case I don't see a lot of tools against the quick PG of this league. I have Russell higher as scorer, but their D sucks. |
The biggest reason is that Russell actually affects jump shots and shots around the paint due to his long wingspan. He was not a good defender but this gives him some leeway. It was most apparent when he was guarding Elfrid Payton and his wingspan just totally smothered him. Of course not every player is as easy to guard as Mr. No Jumpshot, but the point remains.
Although footspeed can be an issue, Russell also takes better angles than Clarkson on defense. He also reads the offense better to get steals. Russell's biggest issue seems to be disengagement, whereas Clarkson's seems to be technique.
My point isn't to say "Well Clarkson's worse so Russell's defense is ok." My point is that just because both are bad doesn't mean they are equally bad. That is what false equivalency is, and I see a lot of it. |
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 11:33 am Post subject: |
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tox wrote: | nash wrote: |
I just don't understand why you have Russell higher for his defense, in this case I don't see a lot of tools against the quick PG of this league. I have Russell higher as scorer, but their D sucks. |
The biggest reason is that Russell actually affects jump shots and shots around the paint due to his long wingspan. He was not a good defender but this gives him some leeway. It was most apparent when he was guarding Elfrid Payton and his wingspan just totally smothered him. Of course not every player is as easy to guard as Mr. No Jumpshot, but the point remains.
Although footspeed can be an issue, Russell also takes better angles than Clarkson on defense. He also reads the offense better to get steals. Russell's biggest issue seems to be disengagement, whereas Clarkson's seems to be technique.
My point isn't to say "Well Clarkson's worse so Russell's defense is ok." My point is that just because both are bad doesn't mean they are equally bad. That is what false equivalency is, and I see a lot of it. |
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 11:35 am Post subject: |
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tox wrote: | nash wrote: |
I just don't understand why you have Russell higher for his defense, in this case I don't see a lot of tools against the quick PG of this league. I have Russell higher as scorer, but their D sucks. |
The biggest reason is that Russell actually affects jump shots and shots around the paint due to his long wingspan. He was not a good defender but this gives him some leeway. It was most apparent when he was guarding Elfrid Payton and his wingspan just totally smothered him. Of course not every player is as easy to guard as Mr. No Jumpshot, but the point remains.
Although footspeed can be an issue, Russell also takes better angles than Clarkson on defense. He also reads the offense better to get steals. Russell's biggest issue seems to be disengagement, whereas Clarkson's seems to be technique.
My point isn't to say "Well Clarkson's worse so Russell's defense is ok." My point is that just because both are bad doesn't mean they are equally bad. That is what false equivalency is, and I see a lot of it. |
Which is why people ask him to work on his defense or even just the defensive basics during the off-season. |
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