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Inspector Gadget Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 8:09 am Post subject: |
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22 wrote: | Obviously 2.0 created a pointless thread lol, but we know Julius has a revised one motion jumpshot. And we've seen him knock it down a few times included 3's in the team USA scrimmages.
In other words it's apparent he's been working on it. We'll see how long it takes to manifest in NBA games |
Just trying to pump up the laker fan base, cause we need to have that positive energy. |
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MJST Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 8:32 am Post subject: |
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zePokar wrote: | Rivershow wrote: | Most people are going to react with wait and see approach. No point in getting happy about it now. |
Yep. What does he mean by "but there is a fine line obviously" ? Does that mean that he doesn't want Randle to be a jumpshooter only or does that mean that his jumpshot isn't great either ? |
It means he doesn't want Julius to neglect working on his driving to the basket and finishing skills in lieu of having a jump shot.
I think Luke would be happy if Randle's jumper was still a work in progress as long as he brought up his efficiency finishing at the basket.
If Julius walked into next season shooting 30% from mid, but finishing 59-60% at the basket and could do it with both the right and the left, that Luke would be just fine with that.
He knows Julius's biggest strength is getting to the basket and that size and speed, so Julius becoming a more efficient finisher at the basket probably takes priority in Luke's eyes than him mastering his jump shot at this point in time. |
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lakerjoshua Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 8:52 am Post subject: |
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MJST wrote: | zePokar wrote: | Rivershow wrote: | Most people are going to react with wait and see approach. No point in getting happy about it now. |
Yep. What does he mean by "but there is a fine line obviously" ? Does that mean that he doesn't want Randle to be a jumpshooter only or does that mean that his jumpshot isn't great either ? |
It means he doesn't want Julius to neglect working on his driving to the basket and finishing skills in lieu of having a jump shot.
I think Luke would be happy if Randle's jumper was still a work in progress as long as he brought up his efficiency finishing at the basket.
If Julius walked into next season shooting 30% from mid, but finishing 59-60% at the basket and could do it with both the right and the left, that Luke would be just fine with that.
He knows Julius's biggest strength is getting to the basket and that size and speed, so Julius becoming a more efficient finisher at the basket probably takes priority in Luke's eyes than him mastering his jump shot at this point in time. |
This.
And imho it's the correct approach. Too many have heard the narrative ”he'll be an all star if he let's a jump shot" repeated over and over its become an obsession. He'll be a good player with our without a jump shot and I'm sure that with time and practice he will indeed one day have a fairly reliable jump shot. But to expect that this season or even next for that matter is not playing to his strengths and is not what's best for the teams short term improvement.
Luke is a smart dude, I like him already. |
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True Lakers Fan Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 8:55 am Post subject: |
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I hope so, Randle can be a triple threat player if he can consistently knock down that jumper. _________________ I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying. |
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MIMLaker Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 9:26 am Post subject: |
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I'd love to see Julius develop (a) a kick-out 15-to-18 foot shot, and (b) a jump hook down low.
The former would help free up space on drives by DLO and JC, and the latter would give him an option other than a lower-the-shoulder bull-rush into the paint. |
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Purp 32 Star Player
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 9:35 am Post subject: |
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It doesn't matter until he can make them in a real game. |
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yinoma2001 Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 9:43 am Post subject: |
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The progress on his jumper, his offensive awareness (i.e. passing, etc.), and overall defense will be a huge determining factor in his upcoming extension. That injury really cost him a year of development even though the CBA meter continued running. _________________ From 2-10 to the Western Conference Finals |
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Inspector Gadget Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 9:45 am Post subject: |
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Randle is 1 jump shot away from being a multiple All-star... |
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sogood. Star Player
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 9:52 am Post subject: |
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I doubt he can get any worst. He shot 23% from mid range, that is horrific.
Nowhere to go but up. |
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greenfrog Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 10:03 am Post subject: |
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Maybe someone can attempt an explanation for this, both Randle and Nance both shoot worse from 10-15 feet than from 16-22(3). There's only a marginal difference on Randle's side because he's an awful shooter all-around, but Nance goes from being slightly above the league average from midrange (generally considered 16-23), to below it from 10-15 by a decent margin. Spacing?
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lakerjoshua Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 10:26 am Post subject: |
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | Randle is 1 jump shot away from being a multiple All-star... |
His post moves need a lot of work. He's often out of control in transition. He's not a good rim protector. Really the only thing he's "good" at is rebounding and having a big body.
But yeah, jump shot.....sigh
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 10:40 am Post subject: |
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LakersRGolden wrote: | Anthony Brown is supposed to have one too. We'll see. |
Hair affects your shooting form. _________________
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:03 am Post subject: |
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | Randle is 1 jump shot away from being a multiple All-star... |
In a few years... The current PF All-Stars would still be better. |
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Purp 32 Star Player
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:14 am Post subject: |
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I don't think Randle will ever be an all-star level player due to his offensive limitations, but he can be a key part to a championship team. |
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22 Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:52 am Post subject: |
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Purp 32 wrote: | I don't think Randle will ever be an all-star level player due to his offensive limitations, but he can be a key part to a championship team. |
Yeah, if he never gets better at anything. I don't think that's a wise projection though considering how hard he works and the staff he has access to now
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 10:05 am Post subject: |
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Im hoping buddy heild doesnt work out for New Orleans so anthony davis can be disgruntled and might demand a trade... if thats the case I think Randle and Clarkson would be a perfect pitch to get him on the lakers |
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J.C. Smith Franchise Player
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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lakerjoshua wrote: | Really the only thing he's "good" at is rebounding and having a big body. |
He's elite at his position in handling the ball and driving to the basket. He's too quick for just about any player his size. That is nullified to an extent because of his problems finishing over length, and the fact that players back way off him due to his jump shot. But that is why people consider the jump shot so important. If he can knock down open jumpers guys can't back off him and his shots will be less contested on drives.
People will point out things like a low shooting percentage inside, but a lot of that is due to shot quality. Last season guys would give him space, but since he couldn't shoot he would drive into it, and then face his defender plus a help man. He also tended to not make quick moves and gave the defense time to shift. He wasn't effective in the pick and roll either. Those are of course all areas he needs to improve on, but your basically talking about a player with one season of experience in which he was coming back from a serious injury. His potential is as high as anyone on the team, but he has a lot of areas he needs to improve to reach it. The encouraging thing though is that he is willing to put in the work to get there, and not all players are. I wouldn't bet against him. |
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Laker_Town Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:46 am Post subject: |
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | Randle is 1 jump shot away from being a multiple All-star... |
Nah.
He's got plenty more to work on. But being a consistent shooter will help |
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Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 6:25 am Post subject: |
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J.C. Smith wrote: | lakerjoshua wrote: | Really the only thing he's "good" at is rebounding and having a big body. |
He's elite at his position in handling the ball and driving to the basket. He's too quick for just about any player his size. That is nullified to an extent because of his problems finishing over length, and the fact that players back way off him due to his jump shot. But that is why people consider the jump shot so important. If he can knock down open jumpers guys can't back off him and his shots will be less contested on drives.
People will point out things like a low shooting percentage inside, but a lot of that is due to shot quality. Last season guys would give him space, but since he couldn't shoot he would drive into it, and then face his defender plus a help man. He also tended to not make quick moves and gave the defense time to shift. He wasn't effective in the pick and roll either. Those are of course all areas he needs to improve on, but your basically talking about a player with one season of experience in which he was coming back from a serious injury. His potential is as high as anyone on the team, but he has a lot of areas he needs to improve to reach it. The encouraging thing though is that he is willing to put in the work to get there, and not all players are. I wouldn't bet against him. |
Spot-on analysis, JC.
Which is exactly why, in addition to working on his outside shot, I'd love to see him specifically focus his one-dribble and two-dribble pull-up game.
Pull-up/step-back J's
Runners (running hooks)
Floaters
Jump-hooks
He could become quite a nice scoring threat in there - ala Mark Aguire.
Like you said, he's going to get past his man, but struggles to finish at the rim... so work on that mid-range scoring game and, equally important, start to establish himself as a playmaker. If he starts earning the rep as a guy who can get past his man + is looking to drive-and-dish, he'll have defenders (and, more importantly, help defending bigs) less-willing to leave their men and play him for the pass... which, once he decides to go all the way to the rim (which is what he really wants to do in the first place), will give him less traffic/length to deal with at the rim.
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