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What are your feelings on retiring Pau's jersey? |
This is a no-brainer! The Spaniard deserves it. |
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He probably deserves to be up there. |
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Not the strongest candidate. I'm in the middle on this. |
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I'm leaning towards no. |
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No. Just no! He doesn't belong with the Legends! |
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22 Franchise Player
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Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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no question we will see #16 up there |
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kikanga Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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lakerjoshua wrote: | Will we retire Odom's Jersey? Or Derek Fisher? |
Nope to both. Which makes me sad. Wonder who came closer to get their jersey in the rafters?
Fisher has more chips. But Odom was a HUGE part of our playoff runs '08-'11. _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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Gomur Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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Plaza234 wrote: | He didn't play for the Lakers long enough to have his jersey retired by them. That's insane. In fact I doubt any team will retire his jersey. He's played on too many of them. He was a good player that bounced around.
Would the Celtics retire Garnett's number? Or Ray Allen? Absolutely not. Lakers don't need to lower their standards either.
If you are only going to value a couple titles, then retire Horry and Byron too. |
I figure the Grizzlies and Lakers are the two franchises that outta retire Pau's jerseys. 7 years with one. 6 with the other. That's his basketball prime right there.
6 years is enough time to leave a mark. Especially if it resulted in championships. I won't forget him outplaying Dwight for the first. Or taking it to the Celtics in the second. And if the refs hadn't let BOS get away with murder on him the first time (and a healthy Bynum), we might have had another 3 peat. Oh well, made the rematch all the sweeter. Last laugh, (bleep)!
Pau's arrival marked a return to greatness for the Lakers. As many have stated here, the buzz was palpable. A nice piece by Mo Mo:
http://www.espn.com/los-angeles/nba/columns/story?id=4870339
kikanga wrote: | lakerjoshua wrote: | Will we retire Odom's Jersey? Or Derek Fisher? |
Nope to both. Which makes me sad. Wonder who came closer to get their jersey in the rafters?
Fisher has more chips. But Odom was a HUGE part of our playoff runs '08-'11. |
I hope there's a place in the front office where key role players are recognized. Plaques on a wall or something for the Scotts, Coopers, Odoms, Horrys, Foxs, Fishers, even Nick the Quicks. |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:52 am Post subject: |
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lakerjoshua wrote: | Will we retire Odom's Jersey? Or Derek Fisher? |
Possibly if either gets in the Hall of Fame. Which won't happen. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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focus Star Player
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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No, and I just got done in a different thread suggesting how much I love the guy. But our rafters are not for run of the mill hall of famers. It's the best of the best. Worthy deserved it and Scott did not. Pau was a great player for us, and definitely a HoFer but no, not quite up there
If we do, I would support it anyway bc he's a great human being and player and it's more a 51% no 49% yes sort of thing for me.
But look as this garbled paste from Wiki - he's not in this group, cmon. Closest is Worthy but Worthy was huge for us repeatedly, and Pau was pretty great for a couple years in the clutch. Let's keep this for the best of the best IMO.
13 Wilt Chamberlain Los Angeles Lakers C 1968–1973
22 Elgin Baylor Los Angeles Lakers F 1958–1972 The team was in Minneapolis in his first two seasons (1958–1960).
25 Gail Goodrich Los Angeles Lakers G 1965–1968; 1970–1976
32 Earvin "Magic" Johnson Los Angeles Lakers G 1979–1991; 1995–1996 Also served as head coach in 1994.
33 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Los Angeles Lakers C 1975–1989
34 Shaquille O'Neal Los Angeles Lakers C 1996–2004 [18]
42 James Worthy Los Angeles Lakers F 1982–1994
44 Jerry West Los Angeles Lakers G 1960–1974 Also served as head coach (1976–1979) and general manager (1981–2002).
52 Jamaal Wilkes Los Angeles Lakers F 1977–1985
Exquisite-microphone.png Chick Hearn Los Angeles Lakers — 1960–2002 |
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jwbrown77 Star Player
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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focus wrote: | No, and I just got done in a different thread suggesting how much I love the guy. But our rafters are not for run of the mill hall of famers. It's the best of the best. Worthy deserved it and Scott did not. Pau was a great player for us, and definitely a HoFer but no, not quite up there
If we do, I would support it anyway bc he's a great human being and player and it's more a 51% no 49% yes sort of thing for me.
But look as this garbled paste from Wiki - he's not in this group, cmon. Closest is Worthy but Worthy was huge for us repeatedly, and Pau was pretty great for a couple years in the clutch. Let's keep this for the best of the best IMO.
13 Wilt Chamberlain Los Angeles Lakers C 1968–1973
22 Elgin Baylor Los Angeles Lakers F 1958–1972 The team was in Minneapolis in his first two seasons (1958–1960).
25 Gail Goodrich Los Angeles Lakers G 1965–1968; 1970–1976
32 Earvin "Magic" Johnson Los Angeles Lakers G 1979–1991; 1995–1996 Also served as head coach in 1994.
33 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Los Angeles Lakers C 1975–1989
34 Shaquille O'Neal Los Angeles Lakers C 1996–2004 [18]
42 James Worthy Los Angeles Lakers F 1982–1994
44 Jerry West Los Angeles Lakers G 1960–1974 Also served as head coach (1976–1979) and general manager (1981–2002).
52 Jamaal Wilkes Los Angeles Lakers F 1977–1985
Exquisite-microphone.png Chick Hearn Los Angeles Lakers — 1960–2002 |
In my opinion, from that list, you either need to omit Goodrich and Wilkes and claim Gasol is unworthy, or you need to let Pau in if he makes the HoF - which I'd argue he will. |
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kobe_4_mvp Star Player
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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this topic seems to pop up somewhat often and the majority answer has always been "yes". now they just serve as a platform for posters with agendas going back to 2008. whats left to discuss? |
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BynumForThree Star Player
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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focus wrote: | No, and I just got done in a different thread suggesting how much I love the guy. But our rafters are not for run of the mill hall of famers. It's the best of the best. Worthy deserved it and Scott did not. Pau was a great player for us, and definitely a HoFer but no, not quite up there
If we do, I would support it anyway bc he's a great human being and player and it's more a 51% no 49% yes sort of thing for me.
But look as this garbled paste from Wiki - he's not in this group, cmon. Closest is Worthy but Worthy was huge for us repeatedly, and Pau was pretty great for a couple years in the clutch. Let's keep this for the best of the best IMO.
13 Wilt Chamberlain Los Angeles Lakers C 1968–1973
22 Elgin Baylor Los Angeles Lakers F 1958–1972 The team was in Minneapolis in his first two seasons (1958–1960).
25 Gail Goodrich Los Angeles Lakers G 1965–1968; 1970–1976
32 Earvin "Magic" Johnson Los Angeles Lakers G 1979–1991; 1995–1996 Also served as head coach in 1994.
33 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Los Angeles Lakers C 1975–1989
34 Shaquille O'Neal Los Angeles Lakers C 1996–2004 [18]
42 James Worthy Los Angeles Lakers F 1982–1994
44 Jerry West Los Angeles Lakers G 1960–1974 Also served as head coach (1976–1979) and general manager (1981–2002).
52 Jamaal Wilkes Los Angeles Lakers F 1977–1985
Exquisite-microphone.png Chick Hearn Los Angeles Lakers — 1960–2002 |
Explain to me how Wilkes is one of the "best of the best." |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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Because he was a star at Ventura High School. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Shaber Star Player
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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Pau should and probably will be in HOF.
But the Lakers rafters are something else. I think he blew it when he left.
I'd rather have Fish-s shirt hanging there. _________________ .
Lakers depth chart
PG Johnson / Goodrich
SG Bryant / West / Scott
SF Baylor / Worthy / Cooper
PF Mikkelsen / Hairston / McAdoo / Gasol
C Chamberlain / Abdul-Jabbar / O'Neal / Mikan |
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focus Star Player
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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BynumForThree wrote: | focus wrote: | No, and I just got done in a different thread suggesting how much I love the guy. But our rafters are not for run of the mill hall of famers. It's the best of the best. Worthy deserved it and Scott did not. Pau was a great player for us, and definitely a HoFer but no, not quite up there
If we do, I would support it anyway bc he's a great human being and player and it's more a 51% no 49% yes sort of thing for me.
But look as this garbled paste from Wiki - he's not in this group, cmon. Closest is Worthy but Worthy was huge for us repeatedly, and Pau was pretty great for a couple years in the clutch. Let's keep this for the best of the best IMO.
13 Wilt Chamberlain Los Angeles Lakers C 1968–1973
22 Elgin Baylor Los Angeles Lakers F 1958–1972 The team was in Minneapolis in his first two seasons (1958–1960).
25 Gail Goodrich Los Angeles Lakers G 1965–1968; 1970–1976
32 Earvin "Magic" Johnson Los Angeles Lakers G 1979–1991; 1995–1996 Also served as head coach in 1994.
33 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Los Angeles Lakers C 1975–1989
34 Shaquille O'Neal Los Angeles Lakers C 1996–2004 [18]
42 James Worthy Los Angeles Lakers F 1982–1994
44 Jerry West Los Angeles Lakers G 1960–1974 Also served as head coach (1976–1979) and general manager (1981–2002).
52 Jamaal Wilkes Los Angeles Lakers F 1977–1985
Exquisite-microphone.png Chick Hearn Los Angeles Lakers — 1960–2002 |
Explain to me how Wilkes is one of the "best of the best." |
He's got two a's in his name and nickname was Silk. Hence, greatness. No rafter Pau my buddy. End of discussion! |
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The Shadow King Star Player
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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Yes.
Without him, the Lakers have 14 championships instead of 16. _________________ Lakers, today. Lakers, tomorrow. Lakers, forever. |
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Gomur Starting Rotation
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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s_habe wrote: | Pau should and probably will be in HOF.
But the Lakers rafters are something else. I think he blew it when he left.
I'd rather have Fish-s shirt hanging there. |
I know. Who could ever forgive Pau for yelling "pay me" during a game at the owner sitting courtside, ultimately forcing a trade? That kind of player should never have his jersey retired.
Love D-Fish but no one should ever entertain the idea of his jersey hanging in the ceiling. Was he ever even the 3rd best player on our title teams?
No Pau. No 2 rings. People need to think back to how well Dwight gelled with Kobe and appreciate the Spaniard even more.
The Faceman wrote: | Yes.
Without him, the Lakers have 14 championships instead of 16. |
Indeed. |
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LakerLanny Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 10:49 am Post subject: |
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echobats wrote: | I loved Pau, but retired numbers should be for the greats, not just the very good. He is not on the same level as Magic, West, Shaq, and Kobe. I guess I have a little different standards. |
Exactly how I feel.
For instance, I love Jamaal Wilkes but I don't think his number should have been put on the wall. Same with Goodrich in my opinion. _________________ Love, Laker Lanny |
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JUST-MING Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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lakerjoshua wrote: |
Would he enter the HOF as a Laker or Grizzly? I'd think Laker due to the rings but Grizzly for tenure? |
That is not even a question. In fact, Marc has had a better tenure in Memphis than Pau. Gasol was not even considered an elite player in Memphis. Honestly, the only person in the media who compared Pau to Dirk was Charles Barkley before the 2007 first round. His comparison was laughed at by the TNT panel and he was the butt of every joke when Pau was continually outplayed by Dirk, despite his team having the lead heading into the fourth quarter. Dirk was so much better that it was laughable. Pau's contemporaries were Jermaine O'Neal and Zach Randolph... not Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, and Dirk Nowitzki. It was not until Pau joined Kobe Bryant that he was elevated into a conversation with the other three (when they were past their prime.)
That is what made players like Magic and Kobe special. They made Worthy and Gasol into Hall of Famers. (Bird too .) |
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LongBeachPoly Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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Here's a question:
Does Memphis retire Pau's jersey?
He played 6.5 seasons w/ Memphis and 6.5 seasons w/ LAL |
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Halflife Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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No. He was amazing but that is hallowed real estate |
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thurloly Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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If he is selected as a HOF, then, yes, I want his jersey up there. |
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Goldenwest Star Player
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Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 12:47 am Post subject: |
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Anyway, no one should get there before Kobe.
Pau's can come after Kobe's. But i also wouldn't be upset if Pau's jersey is not retired at all. A great player, but not a clean Laker career for sure. |
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999 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 1:20 am Post subject: |
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Pau jersey deserves to be retired. But I hope he fails with San Antonio. |
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Chronicle Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:19 am Post subject: |
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LongBeachPoly wrote: | Does Memphis retire Pau's jersey? |
Without a doubt _________________ Kobe |
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