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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 12:04 am Post subject:
Vancouver Fan wrote:
999 wrote:
1 million for a Benz? Might as well get the Ferrari
Not necessarily.
Ferrari has been getting their butts whooped by MB in F1 for the past three years (this year's not looking any different). This will be the first time a F1 drivetrain will be dropped straight into a production car (according to press releases) so in all likelihood, this.car will best anything that has come before it. Anyways excited to see what the wizards at Affalterbach build up. _________________ Character Manchester United | Greatest European Moments Fabric of United - Our Belief
1 million for a Benz? Might as well get the Ferrari
Not necessarily.
Ferrari has been getting their butts whooped by MB in F1 for the past three years (this year's not looking any different). This will be the first time a F1 drivetrain will be dropped straight into a production car (according to press releases) so in all likelihood, this.car will best anything that has come before it. Anyways excited to see what the wizards at Affalterbach build up.
I would be surprised if that happens....that engine and drivetrain can't last more than 2000 miles. Surely, there will be some longer life components so the owner won't have to get that thing serviced so often.
Joined: 11 Jan 2012 Posts: 5103 Location: Southland Native
Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:41 pm Post subject:
lakersken80 wrote:
Gatekeeper wrote:
Vancouver Fan wrote:
999 wrote:
1 million for a Benz? Might as well get the Ferrari
Not necessarily.
Ferrari has been getting their butts whooped by MB in F1 for the past three years (this year's not looking any different). This will be the first time a F1 drivetrain will be dropped straight into a production car (according to press releases) so in all likelihood, this.car will best anything that has come before it. Anyways excited to see what the wizards at Affalterbach build up.
I would be surprised if that happens....that engine and drivetrain can't last more than 2000 miles. Surely, there will be some longer life components so the owner won't have to get that thing serviced so often.
They might use a tweaked version of the M178, but a bespoke version of the M275 wouldn't be out of the question.
They successfully homologated the CLK GTR, so I believe them when they're saying they plan to make this a race car with number plates. It's 1997 all over again, except this time instead of beating the F50, F1, and GT1, MB is taking the current crop of hypercars to the woodshed. _________________ Character Manchester United | Greatest European Moments Fabric of United - Our Belief
If they make the engine run on air and water and oxygen coming out the exhaust it might be worth a look. Other than that? Everybody can built crazy cars that are not practical in daily life.
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Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:25 am Post subject:
cathy78 wrote:
If they make the engine run on air and water and oxygen coming out the exhaust it might be worth a look. Other than that? Everybody can built crazy cars that are not practical in daily life.
Um, these cars already exist. FCVs are already on the road; Honda, Hyundai, Toyota will lease you fuel cell vehicles. They take in compressed hydrogen and just emit water and oxygen. It's just a pain to fill up at a limited number of stations.
These are limited edition cars (think double digit production worldwide). So unless you're the Sultan of Brunei you won't be able to buy even if you had the money. What's cool about it though is that it pushes the boundary of what racing tech can find its way to ordinary production vehicles down the line (double clutch gearbox, hybrid powertrains so on). _________________ Character Manchester United | Greatest European Moments Fabric of United - Our Belief
If they make the engine run on air and water and oxygen coming out the exhaust it might be worth a look. Other than that? Everybody can built crazy cars that are not practical in daily life.
Because it isn't practical with today's technology. The infrastructure isn't there. The major automotive manufacturers have tinkered with fuel cells and the technology just isn't mature at this point.
1 million for a Benz? Might as well get the Ferrari
Not necessarily.
Ferrari has been getting their butts whooped by MB in F1 for the past three years (this year's not looking any different). This will be the first time a F1 drivetrain will be dropped straight into a production car (according to press releases) so in all likelihood, this.car will best anything that has come before it. Anyways excited to see what the wizards at Affalterbach build up.
I would be surprised if that happens....that engine and drivetrain can't last more than 2000 miles. Surely, there will be some longer life components so the owner won't have to get that thing serviced so often.
They might use a tweaked version of the M178, but a bespoke version of the M275 wouldn't be out of the question.
They successfully homologated the CLK GTR, so I believe them when they're saying they plan to make this a race car with number plates. It's 1997 all over again, except this time instead of beating the F50, F1, and GT1, MB is taking the current crop of hypercars to the woodshed.
Word is that it will be in the 2 million dollar range....
It will probably resemble an LMP1 Lemans race car but have the engine and drivetrain of an F1 car, at least as close as they can get to it. Probably very light around 2000 pounds if they intend to get good performance out of a car built around that engine.
Joined: 11 Jan 2012 Posts: 5103 Location: Southland Native
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 5:20 pm Post subject:
lakersken80 wrote:
Gatekeeper wrote:
lakersken80 wrote:
Gatekeeper wrote:
Vancouver Fan wrote:
999 wrote:
1 million for a Benz? Might as well get the Ferrari
Not necessarily.
Ferrari has been getting their butts whooped by MB in F1 for the past three years (this year's not looking any different). This will be the first time a F1 drivetrain will be dropped straight into a production car (according to press releases) so in all likelihood, this.car will best anything that has come before it. Anyways excited to see what the wizards at Affalterbach build up.
I would be surprised if that happens....that engine and drivetrain can't last more than 2000 miles. Surely, there will be some longer life components so the owner won't have to get that thing serviced so often.
They might use a tweaked version of the M178, but a bespoke version of the M275 wouldn't be out of the question.
They successfully homologated the CLK GTR, so I believe them when they're saying they plan to make this a race car with number plates. It's 1997 all over again, except this time instead of beating the F50, F1, and GT1, MB is taking the current crop of hypercars to the woodshed.
Word is that it will be in the 2 million dollar range....
It will probably resemble an LMP1 Lemans race car but have the engine and drivetrain of an F1 car, at least as close as they can get to it. Probably very light around 2000 pounds if they intend to get good performance out of a car built around that engine.
Wow, so they are going to put in the 1.6L V6. Not sure how I feel about that. I know number of cylinders and displacement don't matter much in this era of forced induction/hybridization, but still a 1.6 V6!! Crazy.
1 million for a Benz? Might as well get the Ferrari
Not necessarily.
Ferrari has been getting their butts whooped by MB in F1 for the past three years (this year's not looking any different). This will be the first time a F1 drivetrain will be dropped straight into a production car (according to press releases) so in all likelihood, this.car will best anything that has come before it. Anyways excited to see what the wizards at Affalterbach build up.
I would be surprised if that happens....that engine and drivetrain can't last more than 2000 miles. Surely, there will be some longer life components so the owner won't have to get that thing serviced so often.
They might use a tweaked version of the M178, but a bespoke version of the M275 wouldn't be out of the question.
They successfully homologated the CLK GTR, so I believe them when they're saying they plan to make this a race car with number plates. It's 1997 all over again, except this time instead of beating the F50, F1, and GT1, MB is taking the current crop of hypercars to the woodshed.
Word is that it will be in the 2 million dollar range....
It will probably resemble an LMP1 Lemans race car but have the engine and drivetrain of an F1 car, at least as close as they can get to it. Probably very light around 2000 pounds if they intend to get good performance out of a car built around that engine.
Wow, so they are going to put in the 1.6L V6. Not sure how I feel about that. I know number of cylinders and displacement don't matter much in this era of forced induction/hybridization, but still a 1.6 V6!! Crazy.
Yeah, a $2mil supercar with the exhaust note of a weedwacker?
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1 million for a Benz? Might as well get the Ferrari
Not necessarily.
Ferrari has been getting their butts whooped by MB in F1 for the past three years (this year's not looking any different). This will be the first time a F1 drivetrain will be dropped straight into a production car (according to press releases) so in all likelihood, this.car will best anything that has come before it. Anyways excited to see what the wizards at Affalterbach build up.
I would be surprised if that happens....that engine and drivetrain can't last more than 2000 miles. Surely, there will be some longer life components so the owner won't have to get that thing serviced so often.
They might use a tweaked version of the M178, but a bespoke version of the M275 wouldn't be out of the question.
They successfully homologated the CLK GTR, so I believe them when they're saying they plan to make this a race car with number plates. It's 1997 all over again, except this time instead of beating the F50, F1, and GT1, MB is taking the current crop of hypercars to the woodshed.
Word is that it will be in the 2 million dollar range....
It will probably resemble an LMP1 Lemans race car but have the engine and drivetrain of an F1 car, at least as close as they can get to it. Probably very light around 2000 pounds if they intend to get good performance out of a car built around that engine.
Wow, so they are going to put in the 1.6L V6. Not sure how I feel about that. I know number of cylinders and displacement don't matter much in this era of forced induction/hybridization, but still a 1.6 V6!! Crazy.
i think 2 million on any car is overkill. i guess if your gates or buffet its chump change
Well considering how much R&D goes into building these supercars these days, the manufacturers are making them at a loss. It is more of a prestige and pride factor for the manufacturer. Its part marketing since it gets peoples foot in the door to consider other models in the manufacturer portfolio. Remember the Bugatti Veyron? VW lost around 6 million for every Veyron sold. But in the process they built up the brand and had a halo car. Also these types of projects tend to bring out the best of their engineers so it also helps the manufacturer when designing any future cars down the road.
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 9:27 am Post subject:
999 wrote:
i think 2 million on any car is overkill. i guess if your gates or buffet its chump change
Like I said above, the miniscule number of cars produced means the manufacturer gets to pick who the car goes to, most likely brand loyalists who own several rare collector cars (demand>>>supply). To those lucky buyers, these cars will be smart investments because they'll appreciate in value as time goes on unlike the box on wheels you and I daily drive. _________________ Character Manchester United | Greatest European Moments Fabric of United - Our Belief
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 2:52 pm Post subject:
It's not surprising that Mercedes would do this when they're doing so well with F1.
Admittedly, the shape of the car resembles LMP or ALMS than anything F1 related.
Personally, I'm not impressed. Today's world of hypercars have already started with LaFerrari, 918, McLaren P1, ... Zonda, Koenigsegg, etc.
If this is an F1 technology race, then how in the world are they going to beat Koenigsegg with the Regera? I think that's more advanced than F1 and at least on par with LeMan, where the real fun is.
Also, it wouldn't be the first time an F1-type of drivetrain was put into an exotic car.
The Ferrari F50 was the closest to doing that.
If you want to simplify, modernize, and really get racing technology into a car, just get a BAC Mono. The drivetrain may not be as impressive. The sound? The engine response? The shifter? Definitely is.
Of course, something similar had already been built for the Cannonball run years ago.
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 2:59 pm Post subject:
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Yeah, a $2mil supercar with the exhaust note of a weedwacker?
Actually, it could sound pretty sick. It just depends on how it's arranged. If anything, the F1 community is missing the excessively high, shrieking revs out of 3.0 V10s and what not. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
We're basically at a point of, what do people want out of a hyper car? You need $150,000 for a 0-60 in 2.5 seconds in a P100D, or if you want to add power in a sedan, an RS7.
If MB finds a way to cut the weight and some how match the specifications of a Regera, then it's worth building.
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The Regera produces a reported total of 1,822 metric horsepower through a hybrid powertrain. As in general, the Regera's internal combustion engine (ICE) produces its greatest power only at high RPMs; however, due to the fixed gear, this corresponds to very high speeds. Power at low speeds is filled in by the electric motors, giving a maximum combined mechanical output of 1,500 metric horsepower and 1,475 pound-feet of torque.[2][3][4] The ICE is a mid-rear mounted, in-house developed, twin-turbocharged V8 engine with a 5.0-litre capacity. It produces 820 kW (1,100 bhp; 1,115 PS) at 7,800 RPM and 1,280 Nm (944.1 ft·lb) at 4,100 RPM. It works in conjunction with three YASA electric motors with a total capacity of 520 kW (697 bhp) and 900 Nm (663.8 ft·lb) of torque. One 215 bhp (160 kW) electric motor-generator on the crankshaft acts as starter and generator and supplies torque fill; and two 241 bhp (180 kW) wheel-shaft mounted electric motors drive each rear wheel and provide torque vectoring. The electric motors are powered by a 4.5-kWh, 800-volt, 75-kg liquid cooled battery pack developed by Rimac Automobili, making it the first 800-volt production car.[5] Koenigsegg claims that the battery pack is the most power-dense battery pack ever created for a production car.[1][2][4][6]
The Bugatti Chiron is the car you want if you want a ridiculous car....I'd imagine their owners would probably crash their cars at 1/4 the speed before they ever get up to top speed of the car.
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 3:28 pm Post subject:
lakersken80 wrote:
The Bugatti Chiron is the car you want if you want a ridiculous car....I'd imagine their owners would probably crash their cars at 1/4 the speed before they ever get up to top speed of the car.
Props for the engineering, but I wasn't interested in the Veyron, and I'm not interested in the Chiron. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
The Bugatti Chiron is the car you want if you want a ridiculous car....I'd imagine their owners would probably crash their cars at 1/4 the speed before they ever get up to top speed of the car.
Props for the engineering, but I wasn't interested in the Veyron, and I'm not interested in the Chiron.
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