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Looking over the detailed stats through the first 6 games, and thought the comparison of Marcelo and Calderon was interesting. Most have concluded Calderon has performed better, but the numbers say otherwise. Each have played in 4 games...Calderon 50 Minutes & Huertas 51 Minutes
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Huertas - 13.4 PPG / 5.6 RPG / 9.2 APG on 36.4% FG%
Calderon - 12.2 PPG / 2.9 RPG / 6.5 APG on 50% FG% |
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| adkindo wrote: | Looking over the detailed stats through the first 6 games, and thought the comparison of Marcelo and Calderon was interesting. Most have concluded Calderon has performed better, but the numbers say otherwise. Each have played in 4 games...Calderon 50 Minutes & Huertas 51 Minutes
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Huertas - 13.4 PPG / 5.6 RPG / 9.2 APG on 36.4% FG%
Calderon - 12.2 PPG / 2.9 RPG / 6.5 APG on 50% FG% |
Neither are bad options but I think the FG%, 3pt% and ability to play off the ball are why most choose Calderon |
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| adkindo wrote: | Looking over the detailed stats through the first 6 games, and thought the comparison of Marcelo and Calderon was interesting. Most have concluded Calderon has performed better, but the numbers say otherwise. Each have played in 4 games...Calderon 50 Minutes & Huertas 51 Minutes
Per 36:
Huertas - 13.4 PPG / 5.6 RPG / 9.2 APG on 36.4% FG%
Calderon - 12.2 PPG / 2.9 RPG / 6.5 APG on 50% FG% |
That FG% though...ugh. Regular season teams will make Huertas into a major liability again.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | Looking over the detailed stats through the first 6 games, and thought the comparison of Marcelo and Calderon was interesting. Most have concluded Calderon has performed better, but the numbers say otherwise. Each have played in 4 games...Calderon 50 Minutes & Huertas 51 Minutes
Per 36:
Huertas - 13.4 PPG / 5.6 RPG / 9.2 APG on 36.4% FG%
Calderon - 12.2 PPG / 2.9 RPG / 6.5 APG on 50% FG% |
That FG% though...ugh. Regular season teams will make Huertas into a major liability again. |
I feel Calderon has looked better also....but I was just surprised by the production stats. Yeah, the FG% matters as it can have indirect benefits for teammates also. |
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| Will the final cuts likely happen after tonight, or will we wait until after the last preseason game? Usually teams like to roll with their planned rotation the last game or two of preseason. |
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We'll probably keep Yi because of the structure of his contract but some team will pick T-Rob up ASAP.
I wish there was a reasonable way we could keep both. |
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GT spitting hot fire with his hot bold predictions on that podcast:
1. That Deng will start at PF by season'a end with Ingram starting at SF
2. Lou will be traded.
Just the messenger.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | GT spitting hot fire with his hot bold predictions on that podcast:
1. That Deng will start at PF by season'a end with Ingram starting at SF
2. Lou will be traded.
Just the messenger. |
I'm more inclined to agree with number 2 if Young has indeed redeemed himself. Lou was essentially signed to replace what Young was supposed to be, and Young's better length and defense fits the system better, while also being a good spot up and decent bail out option.
I'd like him to be right about number 1, because I think separating Randle and Mozgov especially early against starters is a good thing, with Randle (playing big minutes) and Nance off the bench being a powerful core of the second unit. I might actually do the same thing with Nick Young and Clarkson. Close with what works, so no insult intended to Clarkson and Randle, who have starting talent, just using them in a creative way to expand the power of your units.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | GT spitting hot fire with his hot bold predictions on that podcast:
1. That Deng will start at PF by season'a end with Ingram starting at SF
2. Lou will be traded.
Just the messenger. |
I'm more inclined to agree with number 2 if Young has indeed redeemed himself. Lou was essentially signed to replace what Young was supposed to be, and Young's better length and defense fits the system better, while also being a good spot up and decent bail out option.
I'd like him to be right about number 1, because I think separating Randle and Mozgov especially early against starters is a good thing, with Randle (playing big minutes) and Nance off the bench being a powerful core of the second unit. I might actually do the same thing with Nick Young and Clarkson. Close with what works, so no insult intended to Clarkson and Randle, who have starting talent, just using them in a creative way to expand the power of your units. |
That's a lot of Nance + Randle playing together. You think they'll survive defensively for extended minutes? I suppose with Ingram at the 3, they have some rim protection... but it still seems soft on the interior. |
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| tox wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | GT spitting hot fire with his hot bold predictions on that podcast:
1. That Deng will start at PF by season'a end with Ingram starting at SF
2. Lou will be traded.
Just the messenger. |
I'm more inclined to agree with number 2 if Young has indeed redeemed himself. Lou was essentially signed to replace what Young was supposed to be, and Young's better length and defense fits the system better, while also being a good spot up and decent bail out option.
I'd like him to be right about number 1, because I think separating Randle and Mozgov especially early against starters is a good thing, with Randle (playing big minutes) and Nance off the bench being a powerful core of the second unit. I might actually do the same thing with Nick Young and Clarkson. Close with what works, so no insult intended to Clarkson and Randle, who have starting talent, just using them in a creative way to expand the power of your units. |
That's a lot of Nance + Randle playing together. You think they'll survive defensively for extended minutes? I suppose with Ingram at the 3, they have some rim protection... but it still seems soft on the interior. |
It's not a ton, because you mix in Black as well. Maybe 10-12 minutes per game.
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| adkindo wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | | adkindo wrote: | Looking over the detailed stats through the first 6 games, and thought the comparison of Marcelo and Calderon was interesting. Most have concluded Calderon has performed better, but the numbers say otherwise. Each have played in 4 games...Calderon 50 Minutes & Huertas 51 Minutes
Per 36:
Huertas - 13.4 PPG / 5.6 RPG / 9.2 APG on 36.4% FG%
Calderon - 12.2 PPG / 2.9 RPG / 6.5 APG on 50% FG% |
That FG% though...ugh. Regular season teams will make Huertas into a major liability again. |
I feel Calderon has looked better also....but I was just surprised by the production stats. Yeah, the FG% matters as it can have indirect benefits for teammates also. |
Also keep in mind Calderon's turnvoers per 36 is 0.9 versus 4.5 for Huertas. It's huge and further illustrates the fact that Calderon won't do something stupid. When he has an open shot, he takes and makes it. Huertas is afraid to shoot and ends up trying to thread the needle or doing a jump pass that goes the other way.
It's not even close between the two. I actually don't mind Huertas as a 3rd guard, injury insurance, garbage time player but I have a strong feeling he won't sniff playing time when it matters. |
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Sacre >> Yi ....  |
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Why I'm not a fan of Bres:
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It looks like Yi Jianlian will be the Lakers' backup center. Looks good in practice, hitting 3s, potentially giving the team a stretch five.
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Inaccurate assessment after inaccurate assessment. The package deal for Cousins trade suggestion in that Real Training Camp interview was pretty comical too.
Why not just bring back Coach Dave Miller? *sigh* |
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I'm ready to move on from Huertas. Calderon is better and we don't need two old backup PG's when we can also play Clarkson at PG.
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If we move on then Calderon is most likely the player to be traded. His $7.7 mil contract could bring back a decent bench player.
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| yinoma2001 wrote: | GT spitting hot fire with his hot bold predictions on that podcast:
1. That Deng will start at PF by season'a end with Ingram starting at SF
2. Lou will be traded.
Just the messenger. |
Lou is a niche player that brings instant offensive power from the bench and can be a nice weapon for a number of teams. But his specialty is not exactly what we need now, so Byron and Luke tried to use him in different ways, which doesn't work.
On the other hand we need a defensive minded G, even if he lacks offensive power. That's a trade waiting to happen, we just need to find the right partner.
I don't dislike Lou, I believe he tries his best given his limitations in terms of defense and length, but he simply doesn't fit the team.
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| KindCrippler2000 wrote: | Why I'm not a fan of Bres:
| Quote: | Mike Bresnahan Verified account
@Mike_Bresnahan
It looks like Yi Jianlian will be the Lakers' backup center. Looks good in practice, hitting 3s, potentially giving the team a stretch five.
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Inaccurate assessment after inaccurate assessment. The package deal for Cousins trade suggestion in that Real Training Camp interview was pretty comical too.
Why not just bring back Coach Dave Miller? *sigh* |
Bres is a total dufus but I agree with him about Yi. If TRob had a jumper he would be the guy. Actually, if we had not signed TB to his contract I would keep both TRob and Yi and jettison Black.
Yi is hitting the jumper now in games and it looks good aside from the slow release. But he will really only be taking wide open shots, so that is not a huge issue for him.
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| Dr. Funkbot wrote: | | KindCrippler2000 wrote: | Why I'm not a fan of Bres:
| Quote: | Mike Bresnahan Verified account
@Mike_Bresnahan
It looks like Yi Jianlian will be the Lakers' backup center. Looks good in practice, hitting 3s, potentially giving the team a stretch five.
5:40 PM - 30 Sep 2016
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Inaccurate assessment after inaccurate assessment. The package deal for Cousins trade suggestion in that Real Training Camp interview was pretty comical too.
Why not just bring back Coach Dave Miller? *sigh* |
Bres is a total dufus but I agree with him about Yi. If TRob had a jumper he would be the guy. Actually, if we had not signed TB to his contract I would keep both TRob and Yi and jettison Black.
Yi is hitting the jumper now in games and it looks good aside from the slow release. But he will really only be taking wide open shots, so that is not a huge issue for him. |
I think Tarik has looked great all preseason, honestly. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 5:21 am Post subject: |
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| Eindhoven wrote: | | yinoma2001 wrote: | GT spitting hot fire with his hot bold predictions on that podcast:
1. That Deng will start at PF by season'a end with Ingram starting at SF
2. Lou will be traded.
Just the messenger. |
Lou is a niche player that brings instant offensive power from the bench and can be a nice weapon for a number of teams. But his specialty is not exactly what we need now, so Byron and Luke tried to use him in different ways, which doesn't work.
On the other hand we need a defensive minded G, even if he lacks offensive power. That's a trade waiting to happen, we just need to find the right partner.
I don't dislike Lou, I believe he tries his best given his limitations in terms of defense and length, but he simply doesn't fit the team. |
Lou isn't a bad player at all. It's just an issue of fit, and not sure how he fits on this team going forward.
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According to WOJ, Celtics continue to offer James Young/RJ Hunter for a 2nd round pick.
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Good idea trying to get something for them before they release one of them.
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