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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:29 pm    Post subject:

dcarter4kobe wrote:
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This is why Deng and Moz got paid.


To still be a bottom 3 team?


right, that can be a little chicken & egg riddle there
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:34 pm    Post subject:

dcarter4kobe wrote:
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This is why Deng and Moz got paid.


To still be a bottom 3 team?


That would make Y2001 a happy camper since he's a big draft guy.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:35 pm    Post subject:

dcarter4kobe wrote:
yinoma2001 wrote:
This is why Deng and Moz got paid.


To still be a bottom 3 team?

To add stability & experience so that a very young and poorly experienced team can learn how to be a 40 win team next year.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:39 pm    Post subject:

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The only way this happens is if Brooklyn, Philly, Orlando, and Miami are all nearly equally terrible and split their head-to-head games. The West would also need to be much better than the East.


Orlando and Miami will be chasing a playoff slot if they are healthy.


Bosh is out, so that's that in South Beach. Without Bosh and Wade, Miami is lotto bound. Don't buy what "Tas Melas" or Jared or any of "The Starters" said about Miami making the playoffs.

Orlando tanked hard last year, and got little back for Tobias. Losing Oladipo for a player at a position where they have depth will keep them from playoff contention.

Remember, the Knicks, Bulls, and Bucks all missed playoffs last year, each have a better chance than the FL teams.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:54 pm    Post subject:

Remember that RPM will have Byron's fingerprints on it due to his effect on player efficiency last season. There is no accounting for the coaching change.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:56 pm    Post subject:

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Remember that RPM will have Byron's fingerprints on it due to his effect on player efficiency last season. There is no accounting for the coaching change.


Big deal about RPM here! Excellent point.

It's kind of funny to me that it's finally sinking in with everyone that, as a rebuilding team, they're not going to turn it around overnight, and they'll be hard to watch at times. Buckle up! Welcome to THE PROCESS

Also Philly is not going to finish with a better record than LAL with their current injuries. Hard to say with Nets, their roster is suspect but if Lopez & Lin are healthy, that could be a good tandem with a great coach in Atkinson.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:03 pm    Post subject:

Well, you can always DVR the games and watch them backwards, that way the Lakers will have 82 "ties" this season.

On another note: Is there a monster center in college this year that is a top 3 pick?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:06 pm    Post subject:

Laker_Dynasty_01 wrote:
adkindo wrote:
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The only way this happens is if Brooklyn, Philly, Orlando, and Miami are all nearly equally terrible and split their head-to-head games. The West would also need to be much better than the East.


Orlando and Miami will be chasing a playoff slot if they are healthy.


Bosh is out, so that's that in South Beach. Without Bosh and Wade, Miami is lotto bound. Don't buy what "Tas Melas" or Jared or any of "The Starters" said about Miami making the playoffs.

Orlando tanked hard last year, and got little back for Tobias. Losing Oladipo for a player at a position where they have depth will keep them from playoff contention.

Remember, the Knicks, Bulls, and Bucks all missed playoffs last year, each have a better chance than the FL teams.


Again, my opinion is both Orlando and Miami will be chasing a playoff spot. In response to the comment about Oladipo, who I like, he was no longer a starter in Orlando, they chose Fournier as their SG of the future.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:17 pm    Post subject:

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I'm shocked. ESPN is usually fair to the Lakers...

How are we worse than the Nets?


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:27 pm    Post subject:

Lakers were 2 and 6 in preseason. That percentage translates to a 20-win season.

To be honest, I'd rather them win 24 games and get the first pick then win 30 games and miss a pick altogether.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:31 pm    Post subject: Re: ESPN Projects Lakers to Have Fewest Wins in NBA

Math wrote:
Brooklyn - 29.3 wins
Phoenix - 28.9 wins
Philly - 25.9 wins
Lakers - 24.3 wins

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/17444139/nba-player-projections-analysis-profiles-every-team-2016-17



Eh. I think 24.3 wins is the floor for these young Lakers. If things progress slowly, then around 25 wins is what I'm guessing. But, I believe our young guns will play better than the preseason indicated. A ceiling of around 35 wins sounds nice, for a rebuilding team. Not sure where that ranks us.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:33 pm    Post subject:

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Lakers were 2 and 6 in preseason. That percentage translates to a 20-win season.

To be honest, I'd rather them win 24 games and get the first pick then win 30 games and miss a pick altogether.


I guess you didn't read Larry Nances quote. Lakers won't win 24 games to tank or be bad enough for 30 wins unless injuries happens, seriously I can't tell if you guys are really Laker fans or just have a sky is falling attitude.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:33 pm    Post subject:

We'll probably finish with the third worst record and draft Josh Jackson.

Watching Russell and Ingram develop should make the tank more enjoyable this year though.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:34 pm    Post subject:

unleasHell wrote:
Well, you can always DVR the games and watch them backwards, that way the Lakers will have 82 "ties" this season.

On another note: Is there a monster center in college this year that is a top 3 pick?

No, the best C prospects in 2017 look like raw lunchpail bigs. The 2018 class looks to have truly elite big men lead by DeAndre Ayton.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:44 pm    Post subject:

Cochese wrote:
I'm shocked. ESPN is usually fair to the Lakers...

How are we worse than the Nets?


They play in the eastern conference.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:57 pm    Post subject:

At the end of the day, does it really matter if we got 24 wins vs. 29 wins? I mean if we're sitting at 20 wins with only a couple weeks to go, then yeah go ahead and tank. At this point it's just about improving.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:59 pm    Post subject:

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lol, if there are people who still don't think ESPN has agenda to use the Lakers as click bait, they've been living in a cave.


They tend to give us more wins than we actually get by the end don't they?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:59 pm    Post subject:

Ziggy wrote:
At the end of the day, does it really matter if we got 24 wins vs. 29 wins? I mean if we're sitting at 20 wins with only a couple weeks to go, then yeah go ahead and tank. At this point it's just about improving.


It matters for the lottery chances.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:04 pm    Post subject:

I'm fairly certain that if we hit 24 wins, we won't be at the bottom. Going back 6 years, the worst we'd be is 3rd to last.

2016: 23, 21, 17, 10
2015: 21, 18, 17, 16
2014: 23, 19, 15
2013: 21, 20
2012: 23, 23, 22, 22, 21, 21, 20, 7
2011: 23, 22, 19, 17
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:06 pm    Post subject:

I see team tank is making some noise in this thread.

Once college bball starts, maybe I'll get a little more excited about the draft class and join the brigade.

Gotta see if Dennis Smith Jr can stay healthy and Josh Jackson can space the floor before I get ahead of myself.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:10 pm    Post subject:

I believe ESPN predicted the Lakers with more wins than the resulting outcome the past 2 seasons.......
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:11 pm    Post subject:

fiendishoc wrote:
Remember that RPM will have Byron's fingerprints on it due to his effect on player efficiency last season. There is no accounting for the coaching change.
Yep, we've already seen defensive improvements from Clarkson, Russell, even Lou & Nick. Young is playing way better. Russell's due for a breakout season anyways.

Factor in Ingram being underrated (his defense will be better than what ESPN's conservative projection sees him being) and probably Mozgov having a return to form... and yeah I don't see RPM as a good model here.

Flip side is, it's a good reminder that we're going to be bad. Probably sub-30 wins bad. Almost certainly sub-35 wins bad.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:11 pm    Post subject:

lakersken80 wrote:
I believe ESPN predicted the Lakers with more wins than the resulting outcome the past 2 seasons.......



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:12 pm    Post subject:

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I believe ESPN predicted the Lakers with more wins than the resulting outcome the past 2 seasons.......

Yeah, but don't forget about
ESPN understated how bad Byron is as coach:
https://i.imgur.com/0Iv9Ay3.png
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:20 pm    Post subject:

ESPN is on a roll with their correct prediction with the lakers.
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