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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:14 am Post subject: |
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3peat_pete wrote: | Does that mean it was from a different timeline? Also, MiB picked up Dolores' can when she dropped it, right? The different timelines is what complicates things for me. |
I don't think there are different timelines. I think there are flashbacks to prior lives and past events, but not different timelines. The only exception, it seems, would be the sit downs with Dolores in the glass walled room in the basement of the original main building. However, I suppose you could call those flashbacks now. _________________ LakersGround's Terms of Service
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:18 am Post subject: |
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so dolores keeps flashing through previous memories in earlier timelines right?
im at the scene where meave kisses that bandit and he remembers their encounter from the previous episode |
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:46 am Post subject: |
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LakerSanity wrote: | 3peat_pete wrote: | Does that mean it was from a different timeline? Also, MiB picked up Dolores' can when she dropped it, right? The different timelines is what complicates things for me. |
I don't think there are different timelines. I think there are flashbacks to prior lives and past events, but not different timelines. The only exception, it seems, would be the sit downs with Dolores in the glass walled room in the basement of the original main building. However, I suppose you could call those flashbacks now. |
I think people are using timelines interchangeably as "time frames". It's a single timeline but different narratives are occurring at different points along the timeline. A different timeline is the trope of time travel/alternate realities...something that this show hasn't shown an iota of. _________________ KOBE |
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ani007 wrote: | so dolores keeps flashing through previous memories in earlier time frames right?
im at the scene where meave kisses that bandit and he remembers their encounter from the previous episode |
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:08 am Post subject: |
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jonnybravo wrote: | LakerSanity wrote: | 3peat_pete wrote: | Does that mean it was from a different timeline? Also, MiB picked up Dolores' can when she dropped it, right? The different timelines is what complicates things for me. |
I don't think there are different timelines. I think there are flashbacks to prior lives and past events, but not different timelines. The only exception, it seems, would be the sit downs with Dolores in the glass walled room in the basement of the original main building. However, I suppose you could call those flashbacks now. |
I think people are using timelines interchangeably as "time frames". It's a single timeline but different narratives are occurring at different points along the timeline. A different timeline is the trope of time travel/alternate realities...something that this show hasn't shown an iota of. |
just finished the episode not any closer to understanding a lot lol but that distinction you made makes sense in understanding the different narratives at diff points.
so, when bernard was having his many talking sessions with dolares were some or all of those moments actually arnold?
is it now pretty well established that willie is MIB?
wyatt being dolares is def in the bucket of things going over my head, but it would make sense for Teddy to join up with Deloares. Why its his primary function
all the jumps in Dolares narrative didn't necc make sense to me. clearly some of the hosts are becoming more aware as a plan of arnold? still not sure how much ford is driving things.
show is so thought provoking in the sense of examining consciousness, what separates the host from humans, dialogue so good. after watching cookie cutter walking dead which moved the needle just so and provoked just a tinge of emotion upon seeing walker lady with dreads, this show just leaves you with so much to think about. dolares' skips in narration just feel mind boggling. |
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ani007 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:16 am Post subject: |
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so the character played by elon musk's ex wife is also remembering more of her earlier time frames and past incarnations, and these more sentient hosts are joining up with wyatt? is that wyatt they show in teddy's flashbacks?
was the security guy unable to command the hosts because he entered a protected area from ford or is he himself a host..... |
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:13 am Post subject: |
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jonnybravo wrote: | LakerSanity wrote: | 3peat_pete wrote: | Does that mean it was from a different timeline? Also, MiB picked up Dolores' can when she dropped it, right? The different timelines is what complicates things for me. |
I don't think there are different timelines. I think there are flashbacks to prior lives and past events, but not different timelines. The only exception, it seems, would be the sit downs with Dolores in the glass walled room in the basement of the original main building. However, I suppose you could call those flashbacks now. |
I think people are using timelines interchangeably as "time frames". It's a single timeline but different narratives are occurring at different points along the timeline. A different timeline is the trope of time travel/alternate realities...something that this show hasn't shown an iota of. |
Ooops. yes, this is what I meant with "different timeline". I simply meant that all the stories happening are non-linear. The events from the past are being told simultaneously with that of the present.
Anyway, just re-watched episode one. It's interesting that Bernard mentioned that there hasn't been any critical glitch for since the last one 30years ago. Could he be referring to when Dolores snapped and killed him (Arnold/Bernard)? This ties up well with Man in Black's timeline as William as well, I guess. Man in Black mentioned that he has been coming back to the park for 30 years. |
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:53 am Post subject: |
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ani007 wrote: | so dolores keeps flashing through previous memories in earlier timelines right?
im at the scene where meave kisses that bandit and he remembers their encounter from the previous episode |
I think you mean different points in the same timeline. _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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So far it seems we've seen four parts of the timeline:
34-36 years ago --> Dolores and Arnold have interviews, robots learn to dance, town massacre. Arnold dies.
30 years ago --> Dolores and William go on a journey together, some kind of critical failure happens that changes how the park is run.
1 year ago --> William returns after wife's death, witnesses Maeve acting human, dedicates himself to solving the maze (something he initially heard about 29 years prior with Dolores but, for an as of yet unknown reason, set aside).
Present --> William's search intensifies, reveries activate, hosts seem to be gaining some form of sentience, Dolores relives the past in search of clues left by Arnold, Ford's new narrative is executed... |
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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Don Draper wrote: | So far it seems we've seen four parts of the timeline:
34-36 years ago --> Dolores and Arnold have interviews, robots learn to dance, town massacre. Arnold dies.
30 years ago --> Dolores and William go on a journey together, some kind of critical failure happens that changes how the park is run.
1 year ago --> William returns after wife's death, witnesses Maeve acting human, dedicates himself to solving the maze (something he initially heard about 29 years prior with Dolores but, for an as of yet unknown reason, set aside).
Present --> William's search intensifies, reveries activate, hosts seem to be gaining some form of sentience, Dolores relives the past in search of clues left by Arnold, Ford's new narrative is executed... |
I am curious which point in the timeline the Man In Black decides to turn evil (when he killed Maeve+daughter). |
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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3peat_pete wrote: | Don Draper wrote: | So far it seems we've seen four parts of the timeline:
34-36 years ago --> Dolores and Arnold have interviews, robots learn to dance, town massacre. Arnold dies.
30 years ago --> Dolores and William go on a journey together, some kind of critical failure happens that changes how the park is run.
1 year ago --> William returns after wife's death, witnesses Maeve acting human, dedicates himself to solving the maze (something he initially heard about 29 years prior with Dolores but, for an as of yet unknown reason, set aside).
Present --> William's search intensifies, reveries activate, hosts seem to be gaining some form of sentience, Dolores relives the past in search of clues left by Arnold, Ford's new narrative is executed... |
I am curious which point in the timeline the Man In Black decides to turn evil (when he killed Maeve+daughter). |
Well William did massacre the entire Union army upon realizing Dolores wasn't real and Logan snapped him out of it. Doesn't that count? _________________ Character
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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Gatekeeper wrote: | 3peat_pete wrote: | Don Draper wrote: | So far it seems we've seen four parts of the timeline:
34-36 years ago --> Dolores and Arnold have interviews, robots learn to dance, town massacre. Arnold dies.
30 years ago --> Dolores and William go on a journey together, some kind of critical failure happens that changes how the park is run.
1 year ago --> William returns after wife's death, witnesses Maeve acting human, dedicates himself to solving the maze (something he initially heard about 29 years prior with Dolores but, for an as of yet unknown reason, set aside).
Present --> William's search intensifies, reveries activate, hosts seem to be gaining some form of sentience, Dolores relives the past in search of clues left by Arnold, Ford's new narrative is executed... |
I am curious which point in the timeline the Man In Black decides to turn evil (when he killed Maeve+daughter). |
Well William did massacre the entire Union army upon realizing Dolores wasn't real and Logan snapped him out of it. Doesn't that count? |
yeah. at the end of episode 8, the Man in Black told Teddy that he killed Maeve to try playing the evil guy. And Maeve recalls that moment perfectly in previous episodes.
I am wondering when that incident happened. Was it during episode 1's time when the Man in Black dragged Dolores by the hair to the barn? Because at that point, I think Maeve was already at the Mariposa. And remember, Maeve was only transferred to the Mariposa for less than a year?
These little details make it hard for my puny brain to put things together. hahaha |
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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Just watched the latest episode. This show is just amazing. |
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:43 am Post subject: |
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Omar Little wrote: | ani007 wrote: | so dolores keeps flashing through previous memories in earlier timelines right?
im at the scene where meave kisses that bandit and he remembers their encounter from the previous episode |
I think you mean different points in the same timeline. |
Ya. It's 1 timeline.
Multiple time frames.
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KeepItRealOrElse wrote: | https://twitter.com/AroundtheHorn/status/803712940943634432 lol, Pablo Torre on Around the Horn talking about how Reddit spoiled the show! haha, feel the same |
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, what an episode. So we learn even more about Bernard. Still lots of loose threads to tie, but I doubt they will solve them all in the finale. This has been a great show so far and I'm glad I watched. |
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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Wrapped up all the loose ends this episode and created a whole new baseline. Very good finale, and very good first season.
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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Now that's a season finale. wow. Even though I'm pissed as hell Reddit spoiled 50% of this for me - that was great and the ending and consciousness was unforeseen.
Great show, great story. Can't wait for the entirety of it and all the seasons to come.
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These violent delights... _________________ "Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better” |
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