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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:53 pm    Post subject: JAZZ -at- LAKERS – 12-5-16 - Thoughts and :-(( Ratings

Injuries, Injuries and More Injuries… No Russell, no Young, no Calderon, no Nance (and now no Black). Luke went to an unconventional Ingram/MWP backcourt to start this one against the Jazz.

After a slow start with that lineup, the Lakers once again rallied behind their bench as the two teams traded leads in the first half.

Luke went back to that lineup again in the second half and they quickly trailed by 16 just a few minutes into the third quarter. The Lakers were scoreless when he called another timeout with 7:31 in the third. The game was quickly turning into a blowout with the Lakers down 19.

Lou Williams and company weren’t about to go away easily, however. Coming off the bench, they chipped away at the lead cutting it to 9, 6, and then 3 in the fourth quarter. It was within striking distance, but was just too big a hole dug by that starting unit.

Again, this team battled their way back in a game, but they just don’t have enough firepower right now to get over on teams. They fell 107-101.

Let’s chalk that starting lineup to a failed experiment, but the team can barely stay afloat with all the injuries coming at once right now. I’m convinced they are winning a good chunk of these games in this tough stretch if healthy.


Randle -- -- He misses having both a playmaking guard out there and a team pushing tempo. His offense (right now in his career) thrives on movement. When we go to Calderon or tonight’s Ingram/Metta lineup, that just sucks the line air out of the ball for him. He struggled early in this one, looking lost out there. When the Lakers got into crunch time, Randle picked up the intensity, battling on both ends and helping the Lakers to get within striking distance. A couple misc. things: He needs to quit griping on every call or no call. Second, it looked like he hurt his hip a little on a drive at the end of the half, but he definitely played better in that second half, looking a little more like himself. Good to see no turnovers in this one. “They made critical shots when they needed to down the stretch,” Randle said. The Stats: He scored 11 points on 5-12 shooting (1-2 from the line) to go with 11 boards (4 offensive), 1 assist, 2 steals and 4 fouls in 37 minutes. He was -8. The Action: Not close on a 20-footer. Bad switch and he gave up a layup. He bricked a deep pull-up jumper up against the shotclock. He knocked a pass away under the hoop to ignite a break. He jumped a passing lane at midcourt and took it the distance for the dunk. He grabbed a board, pushed it out with speed and forced the foul and FTs, he made one. He attacked, spun and missed the 10-foot turnaround. He was just 1-5 in the half. Second Half: He attacked off the three line and missed the pull-up. He missed a short turnaround in the paint. Great cut off Lou’s drive and Lou hit him for the dunk. He came up with an offensive board and jammed it down. He attacked baseline with the shotclock low, couldn’t power the first one in through the D, but crammed the second attempt over the rim. He attacked in transition, was fouled with no call and still muscled in the layup.

Ingram -- -- “We dug ourselves a hold,” Ingram said. A Metta/Ingram backcourt to start the game. Wow. Lots of length, but short on perimeter shooting. We’ve seen Ingram play four positions this year. This wasn’t exactly an ideal lineup for the PG spot, but he was just essentially bringing the ball up the court and pitching it off as we started our set plays. He had to sit in the second quarter with foul trouble. He seemed to get slightly more aggressive in the second half against the aggressive D, but that’s a tough assignment for him with these lineup changes when he’s still trying to figure out what he can and can’t do. So, not a surprising outing. “It’s great for him,” Luke said, whether he struggles or has a good game. The Stats: He scored 4 points on 1-6 shooting (0-1 from three, 2-2 from the line) to go with 2 boards, 2 assists, 1 turnover, 1 block and 3 fouls in 25 minutes. He was a -8. The Action: He didn’t hit rim on a turnaround, got it back and didn’t hit rim on a three, shotclock violation. He swung it to Lou for the three. He was called for an offensive foul on a spin move and had to sit. Second Half: He missed a turnaround in the post out of a timeout. He was rejected on a drive. He pulled up into some open space at the elbow and hit the jumper. He missed a pull-up from the right side shortly later. He attacked the rim off a screen and drew FTs to his right, he made both.

Mozgov -- -- He looked to space the floor and pull Gobert outside. The first shot of a game was a jumper setup for Mozgov. Lou would find him on some drives and dishes for baseline jumpers. He had his 10 points all in the first half. We could have used some kind of playmaking for him to start the second half (start Lou or Huertas). He misses playing with a true playmaker. I didn’t like the switches with him defensively. That works better with more mobile players. The Stats: He scored 10 points on 4-7 shooting (2-3 from the line) to go with 4 boards and 1 foul in 20 minutes. He was a -17. The Action: He missed a 19-footer to start the game. He crashed the glass and was fouled on the putback attempt, he made one FT. He attacked across the lane and hit the running hook. He was fouled on the offensive glass as Williams made a three, he made the FT to get the 4-point play. He sank the baseline jumper on the kickout from Lou. Same spot, same result on the kickout from Lou. He missed a wing jumper. He crashed the glass and tipped in the Clarkson drive. He had 10 points on 4-6 shooting. Second Half: He missed a turnaround on iso.

Deng -- -- He had a couple of quality defensive games, then his season-high in the last one. Some signs of life, but this game kind of returned to what we’ve seen most of the season. I do think his shot is looking a little better with more arch, but not much from Deng in this one playing both SF and PF. The Stats: He scored 5 points on 2-7 shooting (0-1 from three, 1-1 from the line) to go with 2 boards, 2 steals and 3 fouls in 27 minutes. He was a -22. The Action: He probed baseline and missed a floater and a follow tip. He scored an And-1 layup on the break, he made the FT. He didn’t match up after a scramble and gave up a dunk down the middle of the paint. He stripped a man in the post to get a stop. He missed a drive right, but Black cleaned it up. Bad cut, making it impossible for Lou to find him as he was driving. He swiped the ball on a reach, pushed it out and scored a layup over a defender. He airballed a wing three, way short. Second Half: He missed a pull-up three. XXX

World Peace -- -- He was a -26 in 11:40 of action. Luke was just trying to steal some minutes and keep his bench unit intact. We stole nothing. Got killed. The offense died out there with that starting unit with Metta and Ingram in the backcourt. We need some real guards back soon. That was just ugly. Defensively, with the tall lineup, they switched on everything. There were some failures with that, but they couldn’t overcome the poor start to both halves. Painful seeing them not score for several minutes to start that second half. Hope we don’t see that lineup ever again. We’d be better off with a Jabari Parker or Vander Blue or some D-Leaguer. That was brutal. The Stats: He scored 4 points on 2-5 shooting to go with 1 board, 1 assist and 2 fouls in 11:40. He was a -26. The Action: He missed a long two in early offense, poor shot selection. He attacked down the middle of the paint and scored a layup. He posted up and was blocked. He turned the corner going to his left and scored the layup. Second Half: He airballed a three.

Clarkson -- -- First play of the game, he got caught in the air and came down with the ball before throwing it to the Jazz. Once again, more of that pass when he should shoot and shoot when he should pass action from Clarkson. He’s really struggling to find a consistent flow to his game. He’s been very streaky. Sometimes, starting hot and cooling off, sometimes starting cold and finishing strong. This one was a bit more even keel. Maybe that’s a good sign. Last year, he was pretty consistent and reliable. Probably our most reliable scorer. He needs to string a few more games like this together. Yeah, no assists and 3 turnovers. That needs to improve (especially with us missing playmakers), but he put points on the board in efficient enough fashion. He had a sweet crossover and drive for a dunk as one of his highlights. I mentioned he was going to get busted sometime soon for crossing the plane of the FT line. That happened last game. The Stats: He scored 17 points on 7-13 shooting (1-2 from three, 2-2 from the line) to gow tih 5 boards, 3 turnovers and 1 foul in 38 minutes. He was a +12. The Action: Caught in the air and he came down with it for a travel (kind of a classic play for him this year). Not close on a three next time down. He missed a wing pull-up jumper. Same spot, same play, this time he knocked it down. He sank a wing three on a kickout from Lou. He crossed his man over badly and slammed with both hands. In too deep and his floater was blocked. He attacked to his right, got fouled with no call and hit the layup. Quick attack on the inbounds and he missed the two-for-one floater, but Mozgov tipped in the penetration. He had 9 points on 4-8 shooting. Second Half: He missed a pull-up jumper off the weave. Lazy job going to a pass on the sideline and it was picked off. He drew FTs on an elbow pull-up jumper, he made both. Quick attack in transition and he scored a layup. Change of pace off the dribble and he got tapped on the layup over Gobert. He attacked in transition and fumbled it out of bounds, uggh. He hit a little baseline jumphook on the controlled drive right. He sank a late three.

Williams -- -- The Lakers were a +22 when he was out there. We got him starters minutes and he scored another 38 tonight in 34 minutes. He battled, scoring off floaters, fades, threes, layups and getting to the line. He’s just a tough cover. He also led the Lakers with 7 assists to go along with the points. Some of those passes were superb. Unfortunately, it wasn’t enough. “We came out flat in the top of the third,” Lou said. He mentioned, he had more attempts than he’d like. Down the stretch when we were in trouble, he was kind of in that Kobe mode of getting shots up quick to help us out. He said that he and JC are trying to close the gap of losing the 30 or so points of Nick and DLO, so the shot attempts will be up from them. Asked about whether they should break up the bench guards, Lou said, “We’re pros, man. Whatever works for the team and whatever positions Luke has to put guys in that he thinks are going to make guys successful, we got to roll with it and keep moving.” He battling out there. The Stats: He scored 38 points on 13-27 shooting (4-9 from three, 8-9 from the line) to go with 6 boards, 7 assists, 3 turnovers, 1 steal and 1 foul in 34 minutes. He was a +22. The Action: He sank a three off a pitch out from Randle. He attacked and kicked to Mozgov for the jumper. He collapsed the D again and hit Mozgov for the same result. He sank a wing three on a swing pass. He missed a sideline three looking for the foul. He attacked off the weave, missed the layup but Black dunked it back down. He sank the drifting, And-1 on the baseline, he made the FT. Great job pretending to not look for a pass on the slow backdoor cut and Huertas found him for a layup (they run that so well). He busted out off a jumpball, took the pass, and scored the layup. They gave him a lane to his right, so he attacked and hit the floater. He attacked baseline and kicked to Clarkson for the three. He crossed over, attacked and drew FTs, he made one. Poor speed on a bounce pass in transition and it was easily picked off. His floater was blocked (close to a goaltend). He had 16 points on 6-9 shooting in 15 minutes. Second Half: He swished a wing three, moving to his left. He attacked off the high screen and drew FTs next time down, he made both. He missed a runner but drew FTs, following his shot, he made both. He attacked and fed Randle for the dunk. He missed the runner in transition. Still not back all the way off that last play, he took the outlet and scored the breakaway layup a few seconds later. He missed a deep three. He hit Robinson on the screen-roll for FTs. He crossed over and scored a layup down the middle of the lane. He attacked the paint and threw it high off the glass and in (nearly the top of the board). He nailed Gobert to the floor on a hesitation dribble and scored a layup around him. He missed a runner in transition, we got it back to him wide open in the corner and he drained the three. He missed a sideline three. He iso’d on Exum and drew FTs, he made both. Brilliant two-man game with Robinson, he worked the screen multiple times, attacked the big then wrapped a bullet pass around him to Robinson for the score. He missed a floater. He split the D on the high screen and hit the short floater. He missed a fading three. He missed a sideline three. He missed a runner up against the shotclock. He missed a quick-fire shot on a drive.

Black -- -- He rolled his right ankle in the third quarter. It didn’t look major, but you never fully know until later when the swelling comes. He went straight to the locker room after the injury, not walking well. The Lakers can’t afford any more losses due to injury. He was killing it on the offensive glass again, pulling down 4. He did an excellent job crashing the boards off those weave plays to clean up missed dribble penetration. The Stats: He scored 7 points on 3-5 shooting (1-2 from the line) to go with 5 boards (4 offensive), 1 turnover, 2 steals and 2 fouls in 11:28. He was a +0. The Action: He follow jammed down the missed drive by Lou. He fought for an offensive board and scored the layup. Bad over passing in transition, dunk that. He missed a jumphook. Wow, he made up for it jumping a pass on the perimeter on the D and taking it the distance for the dunk a few seconds later. He missed an elbow jumper. Second Half: He crashed the glass off the weave again and drew FTs on a putback, he made one.

Huertas -- -- “Early in the third, we didn’t start off good and they took advantage of it,” Huertas said. He and Lou/Clarkson do an excellent job on that lull-your-man-to-sleep backdoor cut they’ve perfected. That play must be close to perfection, because every time they run, it seems to work. We’re going to struggle getting reduced to our third string PG (maybe fourth string if you consider we’ve always given Ingram some minutes there). Huertas said they need to do a better job moving the ball. We’ve got to get a playmaker in the starting lineup (whether that’s Lou or Huertas), those guys need it. Can’t go -26 in the 11 minutes Metta plays in those minutes. The Stats: He scored 2 points on 1-3 shooting (0-1 from three) to go with 1 board, 3 assists, 1 turnover and 2 fouls in 18 minutes. He was a +6. The Action: He missed a pull-up from midrange. He hit Lou on the lull-your-man-to-sleep backdoor pass for the layup. He missed a three after pounding the dribble. Second Half: Overmatched on a drive by a bigger man and he gave up an And-1. Near steal on Gobert under the hoop, but he fell out of bounds (at least he stopped the dunk). He hit a little runner off a skip step.

Robinson -- -- With Tarik going out, Robinson stepped into his position. Good job keeping the intensity up, although we could have used Tarik’s offensive boarding down the stretch when the offense went dry. Robinson had a key play in crunch time trying to throwdown over Gobert and he couldn’t finish. The game slipped away after that. We’re going to struggle holding the line losing so many players, but we are deeper in the bigman spot. “Mature teams play longer with more consistency,” he said, mentioning that’s part of the challenge of being a young team. The Stats: He scored 3 points on 1-2 shooting (1-2 from the line) to go with 6 boards, 1 assist, 1 turnover, 1 steal and 4 fouls in 16 minutes. He was a +11. The Action: He did not play in the first half. Second Half: He rolled to the hoop and Lou found him for FTs, he made one. Nice hands to catch the bullet feed from Lou that came from around a defender and Robinson scored at the rim. He tried to cram over Gobert to cut it to 4 and couldn’t finish (that could have been huge). He threw a blind pass away under the basket to Jazz players for a score (should have been a travel on the original drive).

Walton -- -- Luke’s big lineup with Metta and Ingram in the back court, failing on both ends. No shooting on offense. On D, they are switching everything to a point where they are over doing it and causing problems… He sat Metta after 5 minutes for Clarkson, Lakers down 9… Lou in for Deng… They went on a run, cutting it to 17-16 and forcing a timeout… Black in for Mozgov, Lakers up 3… The score was tied 26-26 after the first quarter… A Black, Deng, Clarkson, Williams, Huertas lineup to start the quarter… Both teams trading hoops. Black giving the Lakers some energy… Starters with Lou instead of Metta now in, Lakers up 2… Clarkson now in for Ingram down 2… Huertas and Metta in, oh boy. They coughed up the lead to trail by 6 shortly later… The Lakers trailed 57-53, fading a little at the half when Lou sat… The crap lineup quickly trailed by 11 after just 2 minutes and Luke called a timeout. We set up a post-up for Ingram out of that and he came up empty… Down 13, he finally brought in Clarkson for Ingram, then Ingram for Metta… They were scoreless still when the next timeout came at 7:31 of the third… Black, Randle, Ingram, Clarkson, Lou down 18… Deng in for Randle at PF… Lou helped on offensive end but the bigs struggled to control the defensive boards… Robinson in for Black who rolled an ankle… Foul-prone Laker ball now… The Lakers trailed 89-74 heading into the fourth… He started the Robinson, Randle, Clarkson, Williams, Huertas lineup… Lou cut the lead to 9 and forced a timeout after 3 minutes. Then cut it to 6… They cut it to 3 behind a couple of beastly scores by Randle and some good D… Down 5 with 3:37 left, he sat Randle for Deng… Randle back in for Huertas down 6… They couldn’t close the gap…
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:58 pm    Post subject:

Jabarai parker does sounds good right about now.


Injuries or not, Luke needs to put a better lineup than the starting unit.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:58 pm    Post subject:

Lou's line is eerily reminiscent of Kobe. His game was like that too (really efficient outing until he forced things in the 4th).

I liked T-Rob's energy today, even factoring in that horrible save under the Jazz basket.

Please, no more Metta. -26 in 11 minutes is just staggering.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:09 pm    Post subject:

Luke is just going to have to accept he has to break up the bench unit until we get more bodies back. It seems like our starting lineup is putting us way behind the eight ball constantly and the bench has to struggle to battle back within striking distance. We had zero players in the starting lineup today capable of creating their own offense consistently, and we ended up with huge deficits.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:45 pm    Post subject:

Metta is just going to have to come to terms with not being an NBA player anymore. He just doesn't have it. Mentor the kids. Be the hype man. Be a leader and tell the team to go get a guard and post up as a special assistant. It's time.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 11:47 pm    Post subject:

mhan00 wrote:
Luke is just going to have to accept he has to break up the bench unit until we get more bodies back. It seems like our starting lineup is putting us way behind the eight ball constantly and the bench has to struggle to battle back within striking distance. We had zero players in the starting lineup today capable of creating their own offense consistently, and we ended up with huge deficits.


Instead of breaking it up, he should have just started it as soon as nick went down. For some reason he feels the need to keep the bench unit intact and start MWP at shooting guard.

Good news tonight was that frodo...by going 1/3 raised his fg percentage for the year...great job YCMA guy!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 12:00 am    Post subject:

Din't Lakers change all the medical stuff and most of the conditioning trainers? Yet, the results are the same - injuries piling on injuries. Some serious jinx here.

Can Josh Magette play defense? The starting lineup could use his passing skills. But I guess we'll see what Huertas is up to in the next game. And I finally will see Zubac playing! Go make some noise, young man!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 12:10 am    Post subject:

s_habe wrote:
Din't Lakers change all the medical stuff and most of the conditioning trainers? Yet, the results are the same - injuries piling on injuries. Some serious jinx here.

Can Josh Magette play defense? The starting lineup could use his passing skills. But I guess we'll see what Huertas is up to in the next game. And I finally will see Zubac playing! Go make some noise, young man!


I think I read somewhere that we are trying to modernize our medical staff with Vitti still helping in a consultant role. (not entirely sure)

These strains, sprains, and bruises we're sustaining are kinda worrying.
Hopefully, the reason for the long downtime for our players are due to our medical staff erring on the side of caution since we aren't contenders.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 4:37 am    Post subject:

mhan00 wrote:
Luke is just going to have to accept he has to break up the bench unit until we get more bodies back. It seems like our starting lineup is putting us way behind the eight ball constantly and the bench has to struggle to battle back within striking distance. We had zero players in the starting lineup today capable of creating their own offense consistently, and we ended up with huge deficits.
Destroying one strong part of the team because of injuries to our starters (especially in a supposedly deep team) seems foolhardy.

Huertsas is the logical choice to be the next starting PG.

MWP as a SG doesn't make any sense unless he can totally shut down his opposing number since having Huertsas as a PG will provide backdoor opportunities for MWP
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:12 am    Post subject:

A Mad Chinaman wrote:
mhan00 wrote:
Luke is just going to have to accept he has to break up the bench unit until we get more bodies back. It seems like our starting lineup is putting us way behind the eight ball constantly and the bench has to struggle to battle back within striking distance. We had zero players in the starting lineup today capable of creating their own offense consistently, and we ended up with huge deficits.
Destroying one strong part of the team because of injuries to our starters (especially in a supposedly deep team) seems foolhardy.

Huertsas is the logical choice to be the next starting PG.

MWP as a SG doesn't make any sense unless he can totally shut down his opposing number since having Huertsas as a PG will provide backdoor opportunities for MWP


Would much rather have Huertas as starting PG. Aside from MWP's problems, BI wasn't very aggressive as either a scoring PG or a facilitator PG. There's a lot of role confusion now with all the injuries.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:48 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB

I'm trying to just stay hopeful that the injury bug hits early in the season, we get it out the way, and then have smooth sailing the remainder of the year.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 12:11 pm    Post subject:

Thanks DB!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:17 pm    Post subject:

Thanks DB
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:38 pm    Post subject:

Klone_dd wrote:
A Mad Chinaman wrote:
mhan00 wrote:
Luke is just going to have to accept he has to break up the bench unit until we get more bodies back. It seems like our starting lineup is putting us way behind the eight ball constantly and the bench has to struggle to battle back within striking distance. We had zero players in the starting lineup today capable of creating their own offense consistently, and we ended up with huge deficits.
Destroying one strong part of the team because of injuries to our starters (especially in a supposedly deep team) seems foolhardy.

Huertsas is the logical choice to be the next starting PG.

MWP as a SG doesn't make any sense unless he can totally shut down his opposing number since having Huertsas as a PG will provide backdoor opportunities for MWP


Would much rather have Huertas as starting PG. Aside from MWP's problems, BI wasn't very aggressive as either a scoring PG or a facilitator PG. There's a lot of role confusion now with all the injuries.


Ingram doesn't have the ballhandling chops yet to be PG. Exum was attacking his dribble and even with a screen he didn't attack him and make him pay for being aggressive.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 6:16 pm    Post subject:

Wow, this stretch of 18 games we knew would be rough - in fact combined with the number of games and the current standings of our opponents arguably the lakers toughest stretch of the year.

But to lose the entire starting back court and have injuries to guys like nance is really asking a lot from not just this team, but any team. Right now instead of a team dealing with 5 guys scoring 15-20 a night it's basically Williams and whoever else is scoring...a completely different type of game.

Not sure there's any answers. I suppose starting Lou and / or Clarkson may help but then the bench goes south. We may just have to grin and bear it until healthy again.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:22 pm    Post subject:

A Mad Chinaman wrote:
mhan00 wrote:
Luke is just going to have to accept he has to break up the bench unit until we get more bodies back. It seems like our starting lineup is putting us way behind the eight ball constantly and the bench has to struggle to battle back within striking distance. We had zero players in the starting lineup today capable of creating their own offense consistently, and we ended up with huge deficits.
Destroying one strong part of the team because of injuries to our starters (especially in a supposedly deep team) seems foolhardy.

Huertsas is the logical choice to be the next starting PG.

MWP as a SG doesn't make any sense unless he can totally shut down his opposing number since having Huertsas as a PG will provide backdoor opportunities for MWP


Destroying, really? JC or Lou starting for a bit until Dlo gets back would destroy our bench? LMAO.
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