For what it's worth, this is how Ingram's monthly progression is looking:
OCTOBER (3GAMES)
6.7/2.7/0.7 on 44/17/75
NOVEMBER (17 GAMES)
7.8/3.8/2.0 on 34/30/76
DECEMBER (5 GAMES)
10.2/5.4/1.8 on 40/36/68
so I guess we're seeing slight improvement in the numbers.
It seems like most of the rookies are playing like crap (Dunn, Brown). Murray playing a bit better - Embiid a beast, but he's not really a rookie.
I like Murray's game. He's the most skilled player in the draft. I think he'll take Mudiay's spot very soon. He broke out last month and had a string of 18-20 point games, but then he had games where he failed to score a single bucket. He's shooting 38% right now, but that's not really indicative of his play. There will be an adjustment period for him, but you can tell he will be very good. He's doing the right things, making the right play, but the buckets aren't going down.
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:44 am Post subject:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
leor_77 wrote:
LilJay24 wrote:
For what it's worth, this is how Ingram's monthly progression is looking:
OCTOBER (3GAMES)
6.7/2.7/0.7 on 44/17/75
NOVEMBER (17 GAMES)
7.8/3.8/2.0 on 34/30/76
DECEMBER (5 GAMES)
10.2/5.4/1.8 on 40/36/68
so I guess we're seeing slight improvement in the numbers.
It seems like most of the rookies are playing like crap (Dunn, Brown). Murray playing a bit better - Embiid a beast, but he's not really a rookie.
I like Murray's game. He's the most skilled player in the draft. I think he'll take Mudiay's spot very soon. He broke out last month and had a string of 18-20 point games, but then he had games where he failed to score a single bucket. He's shooting 38% right now, but that's not really indicative of his play. There will be an adjustment period for him, but you can tell he will be very good. He's doing the right things, making the right play, but the buckets aren't going down.
That's always been the question mark for Murray. No real explosiveness or quickness. Absolutely needs the screen to be an effective scorer, hence the 18-20point games and some near goose eggs on the other. It depends by play time.
So, if he's not scoring, and he needs screens to create plays, then where else is he helpful on a team? _________________ Resident Car Nut.
For what it's worth, this is how Ingram's monthly progression is looking:
OCTOBER (3GAMES)
6.7/2.7/0.7 on 44/17/75
NOVEMBER (17 GAMES)
7.8/3.8/2.0 on 34/30/76
DECEMBER (5 GAMES)
10.2/5.4/1.8 on 40/36/68
so I guess we're seeing slight improvement in the numbers.
It seems like most of the rookies are playing like crap (Dunn, Brown). Murray playing a bit better - Embiid a beast, but he's not really a rookie.
I like Murray's game. He's the most skilled player in the draft. I think he'll take Mudiay's spot very soon. He broke out last month and had a string of 18-20 point games, but then he had games where he failed to score a single bucket. He's shooting 38% right now, but that's not really indicative of his play. There will be an adjustment period for him, but you can tell he will be very good. He's doing the right things, making the right play, but the buckets aren't going down.
That's always been the question mark for Murray. No real explosiveness or quickness. Absolutely needs the screen to be an effective scorer, hence the 18-20point games and some near goose eggs on the other. It depends by play time.
So, if he's not scoring, and he needs screens to create plays, then where else is he helpful on a team?
Not trying to start any drama, but can't you say the same about Russell. Probably explains his inconsistency
Explosiveness means more than 'high fly' act dunking in his case.
His playstyle is one with which he uses change of pace, and different speeds to get the opportunities he does. His playstyle is more of a change of pace playstyle than one that has him going 100 mph. But he definitely has quickness, speed and explosiveness. Not at a Westbrook level, but it's solid enough.
whichever scout/gm compared him to Durant should get smack in the head.
Durant could get u buckets. this kid has ways to go.
Durant was a year older than Ingram as a rookie.
Durant's best defensive year was his frosh year at Texas. 11rpg, 1.9stlpg 1.9bpg.
Only just now he's focusing on D at the NBA level because offense comes so easy for the Warriors.
Actually Durant was about a month younger when he entered the league, but he had about 10 more pounds of strength. His body was more developed for the physical style of play which Brandon still has to come along on. I have no doubt he will get there in a couple years.
whichever scout/gm compared him to Durant should get smack in the head.
Durant could get u buckets. this kid has ways to go.
Durant was a year older than Ingram as a rookie.
Durant's best defensive year was his frosh year at Texas. 11rpg, 1.9stlpg 1.9bpg.
Only just now he's focusing on D at the NBA level because offense comes so easy for the Warriors.
Actually Durant was about a month younger when he entered the league, but he had about 10 more pounds of strength. His body was more developed for the physical style of play which Brandon still has to come along on. I have no doubt he will get there in a couple years.
It is not a month or an year age difference, they are eons away as players
Really like this kid. He has already shown his potential in perimeter defense, help defense, run the offense, no fear in playing both against big names and in clutch. His offense still need work but it will come together with his physical readiness. Hope he could be 15+ppg in next year and 20+ppg in 2018-19 when we could be a contender by adding 1 more star
Joined: 10 Apr 2001 Posts: 65135 Location: Orange County, CA
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 12:07 pm Post subject:
al242 wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
KindCrippler2000 wrote:
leor_77 wrote:
LilJay24 wrote:
For what it's worth, this is how Ingram's monthly progression is looking:
OCTOBER (3GAMES)
6.7/2.7/0.7 on 44/17/75
NOVEMBER (17 GAMES)
7.8/3.8/2.0 on 34/30/76
DECEMBER (5 GAMES)
10.2/5.4/1.8 on 40/36/68
so I guess we're seeing slight improvement in the numbers.
It seems like most of the rookies are playing like crap (Dunn, Brown). Murray playing a bit better - Embiid a beast, but he's not really a rookie.
I like Murray's game. He's the most skilled player in the draft. I think he'll take Mudiay's spot very soon. He broke out last month and had a string of 18-20 point games, but then he had games where he failed to score a single bucket. He's shooting 38% right now, but that's not really indicative of his play. There will be an adjustment period for him, but you can tell he will be very good. He's doing the right things, making the right play, but the buckets aren't going down.
That's always been the question mark for Murray. No real explosiveness or quickness. Absolutely needs the screen to be an effective scorer, hence the 18-20point games and some near goose eggs on the other. It depends by play time.
So, if he's not scoring, and he needs screens to create plays, then where else is he helpful on a team?
Not trying to start any drama, but can't you say the same about Russell. Probably explains his inconsistency
Agreed with that. Just Russell has other things going for him.
+ wingspan
+ shot quickness
+ iso play/ball-handling
+ playmaking/passing
It helps that Russell is basically SG size/length in a PG body.
Comparing their freshman seasons, Jamal REALLY struggled with Iso play. Russell, OTOH, was starting to break out in January when he essentially started running the team and got comfortable.
51%FG. 48% behind arc in January. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
Joined: 10 Apr 2001 Posts: 65135 Location: Orange County, CA
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 12:09 pm Post subject:
crazylakerfan001 wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Jim99187 wrote:
whichever scout/gm compared him to Durant should get smack in the head.
Durant could get u buckets. this kid has ways to go.
Durant was a year older than Ingram as a rookie.
Durant's best defensive year was his frosh year at Texas. 11rpg, 1.9stlpg 1.9bpg.
Only just now he's focusing on D at the NBA level because offense comes so easy for the Warriors.
Actually Durant was about a month younger when he entered the league, but he had about 10 more pounds of strength. His body was more developed for the physical style of play which Brandon still has to come along on. I have no doubt he will get there in a couple years.
Appreciate correction. Just really can't stand Ingram/Durant comparisons.
Already likened Ingram to Antetokounmpo prior to last draft. What Ingram lacks in half-court explosiveness/quickness, he makes up for with perimeter range (keeps defenses tighter up high) and length to finish.
Stride length. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
Joined: 14 Apr 2001 Posts: 144472 Location: The Gold Coast
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2016 12:21 pm Post subject:
rogers49 wrote:
crazylakerfan001 wrote:
Mike@LG wrote:
Jim99187 wrote:
whichever scout/gm compared him to Durant should get smack in the head.
Durant could get u buckets. this kid has ways to go.
Durant was a year older than Ingram as a rookie.
Durant's best defensive year was his frosh year at Texas. 11rpg, 1.9stlpg 1.9bpg.
Only just now he's focusing on D at the NBA level because offense comes so easy for the Warriors.
Actually Durant was about a month younger when he entered the league, but he had about 10 more pounds of strength. His body was more developed for the physical style of play which Brandon still has to come along on. I have no doubt he will get there in a couple years.
It is not a month or an year age difference, they are eons away as players
Durant just this year is defending at Ingram's level, and his playmaking is at Ingram's level as well. I realize that most just look at scoring to determine how good a player is, but there are more facets to the game than that. The reality is that they are not similar players at all. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023.
whichever scout/gm compared him to Durant should get smack in the head.
Durant could get u buckets. this kid has ways to go.
Durant was a year older than Ingram as a rookie.
Durant's best defensive year was his frosh year at Texas. 11rpg, 1.9stlpg 1.9bpg.
Only just now he's focusing on D at the NBA level because offense comes so easy for the Warriors.
Actually Durant was about a month younger when he entered the league, but he had about 10 more pounds of strength. His body was more developed for the physical style of play which Brandon still has to come along on. I have no doubt he will get there in a couple years.
KD was 215lbs at predraft, a good 25 lbs heavier than BI
People should realize how unfair it is to compare whoever to Durant in terms of scoring. We're talking about the 4th best scorer (in PPG) in NBA history, just 0,01 behind the 3rd, Elgin Baylor. _________________ ....
Starting a Laker Film Room Podcast with Darius Soriano from Forum Blue & Gold as my co-host, and we're gonna record our first episode tonight. We're gonna dive deep into Ingram's offensive potential.
I am more encouraged by Ingram than ever before. He is the only Laker who (my opinion) will be a star in this league. I am really not sold on any of the others. The comparisons with Durant should have never been made in the first place. You will be hard pressed to find a young kid wanting to excel more on D than Ingram. Its almost like he KNOWS the O will come and he is just focusing on the other side of the ball.
I am more encouraged by Ingram than ever before. He is the only Laker who (my opinion) will be a star in this league. I am really not sold on any of the others. The comparisons with Durant should have never been made in the first place. You will be hard pressed to find a young kid wanting to excel more on D than Ingram. Its almost like he KNOWS the O will come and he is just focusing on the other side of the ball.
DLO is (IMO) the best prospect we have and I still think he's one of the best young talents in the NBA. People look too much at his numbers and compare them to KAT/Porzingis/Booker/Wiggins etc and start to judge him unfairly. He plays about 10 mins less per game than those guys and we're starting to see the impact on the team without him.
I don't say to this lessen the player BI can become, but I think we should hold Russell in incredibly high regard.
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